20 million and not out

urajoke

Dublin processed its 20 millionth passenger today with two days to spare. So should finish out the year at about 20.1 million. I predicted 19.8. Rock on 2016.

kub

urajoke wrote: »

Dublin processed its 20 millionth passenger today with two days to spare. So should finish out the year at about 20.1 million. I predicted 19.8. Rock on 2016.

What happened to 2014 and 15?
Actually when I heard 20 million passengers this morning I could not help but think that it really does put Cork airport into the Mickey mouse league.

KevR

kub wrote: »

What happened to 2014 and 15?
Actually when I heard 20 million passengers this morning I could not help but think that it really does put Cork airport into the Mickey mouse league.

Dublin is the national hub airport. No other Irish airport can be compared like for like (as they are not hubs).

Similarly, there is no point in trying to do a like for like comparison of Heathrow with any other UK airports.

KevR

I have said it before but... now is the time for Dublin to be looking at a second parallel runway.

Peregrine

urajoke wrote: »

Rock on 2016.

Is that when we'll reach the magic number - 23.5m?

urajoke

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Is that when we'll reach the magic number - 23.5m?

Enda standing on a shovel turning the first sod. Try and help win an election.

Jamie2k9

2016 for 23.5 million is being very very optimistic unless there is some major growth. 2014 should get to over 21.1 or 2 million, some of the FR growth will trickle into 2015 so possible 21.6 ish. Can't see significant growth from EI, modest. FR could grow more provided charges are good for them.

2016 will see around 22 million mark provided economy grows, jobs are created and in general people can afford to travel and inbound tourism continues to grown and overall consumer demand is good.

23.5 will never happen that soon, towards 2018/9 IMO.

kub

KevR wrote: »

Dublin is the national hub airport. No other Irish airport can be compared like for like (as they are not hubs).

Similarly, there is no point in trying to do a like for like comparison of Heathrow with any other UK airports.

I agree with you, so what is the logic in the DAA managing Cork when they obviously have better things to be doing for more people in Dublin.?

At the rate Cork is going, Air Coach might as well set up a terminal down there and bus all passengers between there and Dublin airport.

CaptainSkidmark

And yet Farranfore is the only place with a rail station!

Granted its about a 10 minute walk

homerjay2005

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

And yet Farranfore is the only place with a rail station!

Granted its about a 10 minute walk

10 minutes would be good compared to times in alot of other airports around europe!

frequency is the problem though. to this day, it amazes me at the ineptness of the Dublin metro "planning" with a link to the dart a few short miles away, a much more effective and cheaper option.

Peregrine

homerjay2005 wrote: »

it amazes me at the ineptness of the Dublin metro "planning" with a link to the dart a few short miles away, a much more effective and cheaper option.

It would truly be a shame if we went with the DART extension over MN.

jamo2oo9

What is the passenger number we would need for DAA to start planning the second runway? Would 23.5m suffice or should we be looking at towards 25m?

urajoke

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

What is the passenger number we would need for DAA to start planning the second runway? Would 23.5m suffice or should we be looking at towards 25m?

It's already started from what we have heard in the last few weeks.

jamo2oo9

urajoke wrote: »

It's already started from what we have heard in the last few weeks.

The planning process? Have you a link for this?

billie1b

homerjay2005 wrote: »

10 minutes would be good compared to times in alot of other airports around europe!

frequency is the problem though. to this day, it amazes me at the ineptness of the Dublin metro "planning" with a link to the dart a few short miles away, a much more effective and cheaper option.

When it comes to a rail connection to the Airport the incompetent clowns in DAA really piss me off, there was a fully built train station with platforms, ticket desks and tracks in Dublin Airport with the ability to connect it to Dublin City (around the docklands area I think) and they demolished the whole thing to build the almost empty monstrosity thats known as terminal 2. DAA really work backwards to go forwards!

urajoke

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Have you a link for this?

No

Razor44

billie1b wrote: »

, there was a fully built train station with platforms, ticket desks and tracks in Dublin Airport with the ability to connect it to Dublin City (around the docklands area I think) and they demolished the whole thing to build the almost empty monstrosity thats known as terminal 2. DAA really work backwards to go forwards!

Really?? i never knew that

billie1b

Razor44 wrote: »

Really?? i never knew that

Yeah, it was 3 or 4 floors under the basement, everything there, just needed the link up from the city, it was planned to link it on the same line the dart uses between Malahide and Portmarnock but instead they destroyed it

Strumms

billie1b wrote: »

When it comes to a rail connection to the Airport the incompetent clowns in DAA really piss me off, there was a fully built train station with platforms, ticket desks and tracks in Dublin Airport with the ability to connect it to Dublin City (around the docklands area I think) and they demolished the whole thing to build the almost empty monstrosity thats known as terminal 2. DAA really work backwards to go forwards!

First I heard about a 'fully built' train station. I never saw any tracks down there Im fairly certainly none were ever laid. There was a shell of platforms down there however and the space for tracks. When I worked down there they were used as sub stores for the Duty Free shops and I believe check in area Area 14 now comprises part of what would have been back then those sub stores.

crisco10

Anybody got any pics/maps of this shell of a railway station?

Strumms

Unlikley I'd imagine. Its been since built over and this was in the days before camera phones. Also it was obviously all access controlled so you wouldnt have had Joe soap having the opportunity to take photos.

urajoke

I've also been told about this station but I was told it was a shell

ProfessorPlum

'Fully built' is a bit of an urban legend I think. In fact I wonder how much if the story is legend. I heard about it years and years ago, but story was it was under the multistory car park area at T1

Strumms

urajoke wrote: »

I've also been told about this station but I was told it was a shell

thats all it really was... It was basicially full of merchandise for the duty free that went upstairs via the lifts in trollys. From what I recall there were small offices also built into what might be parts of the platforms but they seemed to be rarly used. Unless you were told what its original purpose was you'd just presume it was a big old warehouse. We used to get great games of fooball going down there when things got a little bit quiet... pile out of the lift sweating with the managers looking at us quizically.

IRLConor

billie1b wrote: »

the almost empty monstrosity thats known as terminal 2.

There are two things wrong with this statement.

First, it's not "almost empty", it's pretty busy at the times when people actually want to fly.

Second, a relatively new terminal shouldn't be full or even vaguely close to full. That terminal has to have enough capacity to cater for all the growth in traffic between the day it opens until the day another terminal is built. That notional terminal 3 is a long way off so there are many years (decades?) of growth to absorb.

billie1b

Strumms wrote: »

First I heard about a 'fully built' train station. I never saw any tracks down there Im fairly certainly none were ever laid. There was a shell of platforms down there however and the space for tracks. When I worked down there they were used as sub stores for the Duty Free shops and I believe check in area Area 14 now comprises part of what would have been back then those sub stores.

The one I know of and had been in had platforms, a row of little offices that were supposed to be ticket booths and even tracks on the ground beside the platform, not running out of the whole airport but they were there, this was 8 years ago now and when I had seen it they had already started removing some of the stuff already in there, I used to go down every few months and there was always something gone or dismantled, we used to access it through stairwells and doors, never lifts. It was about 2 or 3 floors under the lower baggage hall. It was a shell if people want to call it that but it was built fully, at the time if they had of decided to open it it wouldn't of taken more than a few weeks to get the actual station ready and running

Peregrine

billie1b wrote: »

When it comes to a rail connection to the Airport the incompetent clowns in DAA really piss me off, there was a fully built train station with platforms, ticket desks and tracks in Dublin Airport with the ability to connect it to Dublin City (around the docklands area I think) and they demolished the whole thing to build the almost empty monstrosity thats known as terminal 2. DAA really work backwards to go forwards!

Most people who's been down there, like Strumms, all describe it as "a large warehouse".

How the hell does one build a train station with the ability to connect to the docklands?

What makes you think that the Dublin Airport Authority are responsible for the rail needs of Dublin? Of course they should encourage it but we're talking about a multi-billion euro project to serve large area of North Dublin including the Airport, that's not something the DAA can do too much about.

And there's station boxes for Metro North stops too, shell stations that can be developed for MN, like the Mater.

As for a DART spur to the airport, it would still cost hundreds of millions of euro, it will take way too long to get to the airport and does nothing for any other region in Dublin other than hinder the future development of Metro North - a project that serves North Dublin and serves Dublin Airport better by connecting it to both Luas lines, Stephen's Green, O'C Street, North Inner city, DCU, Ballymun and Swords.





The only merit it has is that it connects to the national rail network. Maybe if we're ever filthy rich in oil money, we can build it after Dart Underground and Metro North.

Jimmy444

CaptainSkidmark wrote: »

And yet Farranfore is the only place with a rail station!

Granted its about a 10 minute walk

So it's shorter than the walk from Pier D to the baggage reclaim at Dublin T1 then? OK.

kub

Actually AFAIK those train tracks in Farranfore run parallel with the airport, so handy enough to build a little station just there.
Watch out DAA.

lord lucan

Strumms wrote: »

First I heard about a 'fully built' train station. I never saw any tracks down there Im fairly certainly none were ever laid. There was a shell of platforms down there however and the space for tracks. When I worked down there they were used as sub stores for the Duty Free shops and I believe check in area Area 14 now comprises part of what would have been back then those sub stores.

You've described exactly what it is. Area 14 took a large chunk out of the original area in the basement. As i understand it the area was put in with notion of someday seeing a metro/railway link to the airport but with successive governments passing the buck and taking no action Aer Rianta decided to use the area for storage. With the airport bursting at the seams during the Celtic Tiger years the decision was taken to commandeer the space for expansion of the checkin hall and Area 14 was created in a portion of the space.

I've never heard of anything to do with that in T2's current location. Given i work in T2 and the airport is one of the best places for gossip and rumour i'm sure i've had heard of something like that. Corballis House and the Pier C extension took up a large part of that site and was free of any subterranean passages as far as i'm aware.