Disturbing Deep Web

enfant terrible

Just watched a documentary where pedophiles freely give each other advice on how to drug and abuse children.

We all know this is happening but to actually see their posts only a few months old is so disturbing.

See two minutes and 15 minutes in link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJOSm9Bg7WY

Jesus Wept

Why are people buying drugs online anyhow.
It's hitting the local dealers big time, who have families of their own to feed.

Stay local people.

Chucken

enfant terrible wrote: »

Just watched a documentary where pedophiles freely give each other advice on how to drug and abuse children.

We all know this is happening but to actually see their posts only a few months old is so disturbing.

See two minutes and 15 minutes in link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJOSm9Bg7WY

Why are you posting it here then?

J_E

Silk Road is dead now anyway, and I have zero doubts anything else on Tor or the like has been closely watched by spy agencies for a long time (NSA were involved in making the protocol). Nothing hugely shocking.

uch

I thought OP had a big garden and found a Big Web ...

But secretly Duck

Sunglasses Ron

Our Year wrote: »

Why are people buying drugs online anyhow.
It's hitting the local dealers big time, who have families of their own to feed.

Stay local people.

I'd imagine their main market is to people who live in areas where illegal drugs are sparsely available. For example, maybe it has changed now with grow houses and so on but I have met Swedes who told me it is nigh on impossible to get a steady supply of cannabis (never mind harder drugs) in remote northern regions.


The child porn side and all is serious but I did have to laugh at a Daily Mail article about hitmen offering their services for five figure sums (half on contact, half on completion) and giving a price list according to the importance of the target (maybe 10,000 to shoot Joe Public, 40,000 for a local councillor, 100,000 for a member of parliament, and so on).

I researched how to access it, after two minutes I started getting brain failure.

diograis

Read an article about this the other day. There's no google or anything with these .onion sites, everything is through lists and boards and the like. Apparently it's crawling with child porn, shocking stuff

Duggy747

A lot of boring articles and sites take up the deepweb, but there are a few very illegal sites operating.

Hidden wiki contains some really horrible reading about groups and sites hanging around the deepweb.

bitburger

Our Year wrote: »

Why are people buying drugs online anyhow.
It's hitting the local dealers big time, who have families of their own to feed.

Stay local people.

Ya but there hardly the most reliable of people.

Cydoniac wrote: »

Silk Road is dead now anyway, and I have zero doubts anything else on Tor or the like has been closely watched by spy agencies for a long time (NSA were involved in making the protocol). Nothing hugely shocking.

Nah, its still alive and well, its the same as with piracy, topple one site and you can count on 2 more popping up in its place. But yeah, I dunno how people using tor can see themselves as being completely anonymous. I'd be fairly sure some of the leaked NSA spying techniques can be applied to the silk road to keep track of a person.

I read recently of another type of deep web setting up, it currently has about 500 members and is growing but you need to be invited to it and the really illegal stuff is forbidden,

UCDVet

bitburger wrote: »

Ya but there hardly the most reliable of people.



Nah, its still alive and well, its the same as with piracy, topple one site and you can count on 2 more popping up in its place. But yeah, I dunno how people using tor can see themselves as being completely anonymous. I'd be fairly sure some of the leaked NSA spying techniques can be applied to the silk road to keep track of a person.

I read recently of another type of deep web setting up, it currently has about 500 members and is growing but you need to be invited to it and the really illegal stuff is forbidden,

I always sort of chuckle when my IT friends tell me about their super advanced encryption or proxy or Tor that will anonymity their activity online. I mean it's a hugely complex, back and forth battle between PhD researches finding new encryption schemes and others finding new problems with existing schemes and new hardware that could brute force older security. Blah, blah, blah.

And all I'm thinking is - 'Sure - or you could just walk into a restaurant with free wifi and there ya go.'

Micky Dolenz

UCDVet wrote: »

I always sort of chuckle when my IT friends tell me about their super advanced encryption or proxy or Tor that will anonymity their activity online. I mean it's a hugely complex, back and forth battle between PhD researches finding new encryption schemes and others finding new problems with existing schemes and new hardware that could brute force older security. Blah, blah, blah.

And all I'm thinking is - 'Sure - or you could just walk into a restaurant with free wifi and there ya go.'

A restaurant that you may pay by CC or probably cash. Be sure and wear a hat, all public spaces have CCTV.

If they need to find you, they will.

Frank Garrett

Duggy747 wrote: »

A lot of boring articles and sites take up the deepweb, but there are a few very illegal sites operating.

Hidden wiki contains some really horrible reading about groups and sites hanging around the deepweb.

Yeah, I was reading this tread last night and I was surprised at how easy it was to find child pornography by just simply finding the link to the Hidden Wiki on Google. I decided against clicking on the links because I don't want that shít stored on my machine.

UCDVet

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

A restaurant that you may pay by CC or probably cash. Be sure and wear a hat, all public spaces have CCTV.

If they need to find you, they will.

I think you are giving 'them' wayyyy to much credit.

rovoagho

Cydoniac wrote: »

Silk Road is dead now anyway

A replacement for Silk Road was up in less than a day. And Silk Road wasn't compromised by technology but by social engineering, the Feds found Ulbricht using good old detective work, via silly clues he left on the internet. Then they turned him the same way they always have. Even the Tor exploit was caused by incorrect usage.

There's nothing new in any of this, the whole thing comes down to human depravity, greed and stupidity. People are to blame, not tech.

Micky Dolenz

UCDVet wrote: »

I think you are giving 'them' wayyyy to much credit.

Most people aren't really wanted.

Amirani

UCDVet wrote: »

And all I'm thinking is - 'Sure - or you could just walk into a restaurant with free wifi and there ya go.'

And you don't think they'll be able to identify your device MAC address and browser fingerprint in that situation?

rovoagho

If they aren't seen by CCTV in there or entering there, and they don't carry a mobile, those identifiers are irrelevant. Assuming they don't go to the same kiosk or cafe regularly, that is, and they pay in cash.

Amirani

rovoagho wrote: »

If they aren't seen by CCTV in there or entering there, and they don't carry a mobile, those identifiers are irrelevant. Assuming they don't go to the same kiosk or cafe regularly, that is, and they pay in cash.

Internet cafes weren't mentioned though. The poster mentioned using your own device on free WiFi in a restaurant.

Edit: On your point actually, obviously internet cafes can provide anonymity. However as I don't use them much, do they have TOR browser available generally? Obviously your browsing would have to be anonymous in nature also - no email or social network accounts that you use on non-TOR networks.

GalwayGuy2

Yeah, I was reading this tread last night and I was surprised at how easy it was to find child pornography by just simply finding the link to the Hidden Wiki on Google. I decided against clicking on the links because I don't want that shít stored on my machine.

The last line reminded me of something. If you accidentally see anything like Pedophilia online, then report it. For both moral and legal reasons. If you don't, then you could be charged for viewing it.

It's only a small chance of stumbling onto it, but better safe than sorry.

enfant terrible

rovoagho wrote: »

A replacement for Silk Road was up in less than a day. And Silk Road wasn't compromised by technology but by social engineering, the Feds found Ulbricht using good old detective work, via silly clues he left on the internet. Then they turned him the same way they always have. Even the Tor exploit was caused by incorrect usage.

There's nothing new in any of this, the whole thing comes down to human depravity, greed and stupidity. People are to blame, not tech.

How hidden are then pedophiles anyway using this TOR encryption?

If the CIA or whoever really wanted to find the guys posting this stuff would they have much trouble finding them?

Tiddlypeeps

enfant terrible wrote: »

How hidden are then pedophiles anyway using this TOR encryption?

If the CIA or whoever really wanted to find the guys posting this stuff would they have much trouble finding them?

It took them years to find Ulbricht, the guy that ran the Silk Road. Most pedophiles aren't nearly as high profile or nearly as wanted as he was. Some make stupid mistakes and get caught, like Ulbricht, but that's not a fault with the encryption tech it's human error.

enfant terrible

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

It took them years to find Ulbricht, the guy that ran the Silk Road. Most pedophiles aren't nearly as high profile or nearly as wanted as he was. Some make stupid mistakes and get caught, like Ulbricht, but that's not a fault with the encryption tech it's human error.

So even the CIA or NSA couldn't find someone posting on these sites if they needed too.

Would of the US government not have their own dark technologies far beyond TOR?

Frank Garrett

NiallSparky wrote: »

And you don't think they'll be able to identify your device MAC address and browser fingerprint in that situation?

You can spoof your MAC address. I had to learn how to do it when dealing with a criminal admin of some other message board (long story; not bothered explaining).

gctest50

Frank Garrett wrote: »

You can spoof your MAC address. I had to learn how to do it when dealing with a criminal admin of some other message board (long story; not bothered explaining).

Why would spoofing your MAC address help doing anything with a message board ?

Tiddlypeeps

enfant terrible wrote: »

So even the CIA or NSA couldn't find someone posting on these sites if they needed too.

Would of the US government not have their own dark technologies far beyond TOR?

As far as I know (open to correction) it is very possible to remain completely anonymous on the dark web. There have been the odd crack in the system where a java update or something like it causes in a persons browser causes a user to unknowingly send more data than they meant to, such as IP address. But as long as you know what you are doing it's very possible to remain completely anonymous.

The FBI literally had to use old fashioned police work to track down Ulbricht, and it took them years to do so. He accidentally left more hints about who he is in the real world online using his sudoname The Dread Pirate Roberts. They had no way of actually tracing him like you would on the visible web.

Something they could do and probably do is set up fake sites selling services like drugs/child porn/hit men on the TOR network and convince those people to give up personal information about themselves during the transaction. I don't think they could use that act itself against them but it would put those people on their radar for the future so that they can actually catch them in the act, or search their houses/computers etc.

enfant terrible

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

As far as I know (open to correction) it is very possible to remain completely anonymous on the dark web. There have been the odd crack in the system where a java update or something like it causes in a persons browser causes a user to unknowingly send more data than they meant to, such as IP address. But as long as you know what you are doing it's very possible to remain completely anonymous.

The FBI literally had to use old fashioned police work to track down Ulbricht, and it took them years to do so. He accidentally left more hints about who he is in the real world online using his sudoname The Dread Pirate Roberts. They had no way of actually tracing him like you would on the visible web.

Something they could do and probably do is set up fake sites selling services like drugs/child porn/hit men on the TOR network and convince those people to give up personal information about themselves during the transaction. I don't think they could use that act itself against them but it would put those people on their radar for the future so that they can actually catch them in the act, or search their houses/computers etc.

Thanks,

Seems amazing to me the CIA can get a worm on an Iranian PLC not connected to the internet and damage nuclear centrifuges but can't track some pedophiles because of TOR.

Tiddlypeeps

enfant terrible wrote: »

Thanks,

Seems amazing to me the CIA can get a worm on an Iranian PLC not connected to the internet and damage nuclear centrifuges but can't track some pedophiles because of TOR.

Is this the story you are referring to?
http://www.forbes.com/2010/10/06/iran-nuclear-computer-technology-security-stuxnet-worm.html

Spreading a virus without being found out via USB is impressive but not something that is unbelievable.

If you leave no evidence of who you are behind then how are they to track you? When you use the TOR network you don't leave any evidence of where you come from or who you are, IP address, MAC address etc unless you choose to volunteer that information.

Frank Garrett

gctest50 wrote: »

Why would spoofing your MAC address help doing anything with a message board ?

On some fora, mods and admins can see your MAC address. Even if you change your IP address, they can tell you've returned to the forum because each computer has a unique MAC address.

When I got banned from a forum 2 months ago, I got a message saying: "You are not allowed to create another account from this device." Luckily, I heard of spoofing before, so I learned how to do it from a YouTube video and I was able to register for another account.