Pope Francis Radically Alters Catholic Doctrinal Positions

Gilbert Grape

The Third Vatican Council concluded today with Pope Francis announcing that Catholicism is now a “modern and reasonable religion, which has undergone evolutionary changes. The time has come to abandon all intolerance. We must recognize that religious truth evolves and changes. Truth is not absolute or set in stone. Even atheists acknowledge the divine. Through acts of love and charity the atheist acknowledges God as well, and redeems his own soul, becoming an active participant in the redemption of humanity.”

“Through humility, soul searching, and prayerful contemplation we have gained a new understanding of certain dogmas. The church no longer believes in a literal hell where people suffer. This doctrine is incompatible with the infinite love of God. God is not a judge but a friend and a lover of humanity. God seeks not to condemn but only to embrace. Like the fable of Adam and Eve, we see hell as a literary device. Hell is merely a metaphor for the isolated soul, which like all souls ultimately will be united in love with God” Pope Francis declared.

In a speech that shocked many, the Pope claimed “All religions are true, because they are true in the hearts of all those who believe in them. What other kind of truth is there? In the past, the church has been harsh on those it deemed morally wrong or sinful. Today, we no longer judge. Like a loving father, we never condemn our children. Our church is big enough for heterosexuals and homosexuals, for the pro-life and the pro-choice! For conservatives and liberals, even communists are welcome and have joined us. We all love and worship the same God.”
http://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/pope-francis-condemns-racism-and-declares-that-all-religions-are-true-at-historic-third-vatican-council/
Big change, expect a MASSIVE split in the catholic church...

My take,well they needed the right ceo to revise policy because sales in the western world have been on a stead down trend. a new marketing campaign was needed and they put a ceo in place with the balls to do it or let me guess you guys actualy think any pope believe theres a big man in the sky who's pissed about you pulling your rod?
They just recognized the need for a new cool hip obama pope so that people will buy their bull**** in a changing world. classic technique. same product, new image.

Benny_Cake

It's satire, but you're not the only person who fell for it:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/francis.asp

Doctor DooM

http://wafflesatnoon.com/2013/12/22/did-francis-all-religions-are-true/

MRnotlob606

im confused to be honest

indy_man

Read this and Don’t fall for this Pope Francis hoax: 5 things to know and share

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/dont-fall-for-this-pope-francis-hoax-5-things-to-know-and-share/

lazybones32

The Third Vatican Council concluded today...


I knew anything written after those words would be equally false.

I hope you didn't buy into this? or are you seeking to sow discord?

leonil7

the players may have changed but the games is always the same for the rcc.
i wouldn't expect any major changed, just housekeeping rules to preserve its own.

indy_man

leonil7 wrote: »

the players may have changed but the games is always the same for the rcc.
i wouldn't expect any major changed, just housekeeping rules to preserve its own.

The rcc does not believe it is a game.

SoulandForm

leonil7 wrote: »

the players may have changed but the games is always the same for the rcc.
i wouldn't expect any major changed, just housekeeping rules to preserve its own.

That the person with intelligence, charm and spirituality capable of uniting divided Christendom was seemingly pushed aside is a very worrying sign of the times. The world may hate Pope Benedict but it hated Christ before him, if he was of the world the world would have loved him, just as they love this Pope Francis.

The attitude of the world towards the two men speaks volume.

lazybones32

SoulandForm wrote: »

That the person with intelligence, charm and spirituality capable of uniting divided Christendom was seemingly pushed aside is a very worrying sign of the times. The world may hate Pope Benedict but it hated Christ before him, if he was of the world the world would have loved him, just as they love this Pope Francis.

The attitude of the world towards the two men speaks volume.

Don't write Francis off so quickly...the Media was fond of JP2 also.
He is still in the honeymoon period. Never forget, it is our prayers that help support him.

SoulandForm

lazybones32 wrote: »

Don't write Francis off so quickly...the Media was fond of JP2 also.
He is still in the honeymoon period. Never forget, it is our prayers that help support him.

I would not be an admirer of Pope John Paul II. Im not a Roman Catholic for a start but let us not get into that now. Why should I bother praying for a cleric who denies vital Christian dogmas? I have enough people to for besides my sinful self- but I do remember Pope Benedict in prayer.

SoulandForm

indy_man wrote: »

The rcc does not believe it is a game.

Its not a game at all. Pope Benedict really had the ability to unite divided Christendom- if you look at his writings you can see a real valuing of all that is authentic in not only Roman Catholicism, but in Protestantism and the various eastern Churches. He has a capable for synthesis that only a German can have.

lazybones32

SoulandForm wrote: »

I would not be an admirer of Pope John Paul II. Im not a Roman Catholic for a start but let us not get into that now. Why should I bother praying for a cleric who denies vital Christian dogmas? I have enough people to for besides my sinful self- but I do remember Pope Benedict in prayer.

Doesn't scripture tell us to pray for our Leaders? He may not be a Leader you care for or consider but it only takes a moment for you to ask God to send His Spirit to this man.
Entrust everyone in your heart - and those you are obliged to pray for -to the Mercy of God revealed in Christ. I used beat myself up for not praying enough for others but now I hand them all over to Jesus and if someone comes to mind specifically...well, you know.
Maybe the people we dislike are the ones God wants us to pray for more? It's easy to love and pray for those we love....where's the merit in that?
Sorry for preaching..

SoulandForm

Scripture also says that if the blind lead the blind they will fall into the pit of hell. The Psalms also pray against people. I pray for Pope Benedict and I encourage everybody else to do the same, he especially needs our prayers.

lazybones32 wrote: »

Doesn't scripture tell us to pray for our Leaders? He may not be a Leader you care for or consider but it only takes a moment for you to ask God to send His Spirit to this man.
Entrust everyone in your heart - and those you are obliged to pray for -to the Mercy of God revealed in Christ. I used beat myself up for not praying enough for others but now I hand them all over to Jesus and if someone comes to mind specifically...well, you know.
Maybe the people we dislike are the ones God wants us to pray for more? It's easy to love and pray for those we love....where's the merit in that?
Sorry for preaching..

lazybones32

SoulandForm wrote: »

Scripture also says that if the blind lead the blind they will fall into the pit of hell. The Psalms also pray against people. I pray for Pope Benedict and I encourage everybody else to do the same, he especially needs our prayers.

Why Benedict in particular, if you don't mind my asking? Do you sense something? I was, and am, a great fan of his and think there were many agents against his tenure as Pastor of the Church

SoulandForm

lazybones32 wrote: »

Why Benedict in particular, if you don't mind my asking? Do you sense something? I was, and am, a great fan of his and think there were many agents against his tenure as Pastor of the Church

Can we take this private message?

lazybones32

SoulandForm wrote: »

Can we take this private message?

I actually don't know how to! I only joined 2 weeks ago and am still very new to the workings...
Tell me how and I will, provided I don't have to post an e-mail addy here.

indy_man

SoulandForm wrote: »

Its not a game at all. Pope Benedict really had the ability to unite divided Christendom- if you look at his writings you can see a real valuing of all that is authentic in not only Roman Catholicism, but in Protestantism and the various eastern Churches. He has a capable for synthesis that only a German can have.

I agree, Benedict was one of the greatest theologians of all time but I don't think he is completely out of action and is working behind the scenes particularly in prayer. I pray for both Benedict and Francis. Maybe Benedict in some peoples opinion had great potential for uniting churches but Francis has the ability to bring back many lost sheep. As a Catholic I know about our great apostasy and how we need someone to gather the flock ASAP.

SoulandForm

indy_man wrote: »

I agree, Benedict was one of the greatest theologians of all time but I don't think he is completely out of action and is working behind the scenes particularly in prayer. I pray for both Benedict and Francis. Maybe Benedict in some peoples opinion had great potential for uniting churches but Francis has the ability to bring back many lost sheep. As a Catholic I know about our great apostasy and how we need someone to gather the flock ASAP.

I went over the top in my comments last night and I ask forgiveness.

However I would ask you attracting people to what? You have various so-called "Evangelical" "Churches" springing up in the 26 counties along the line of American "Mega-Churches" which are able to attract a lot of people- but are those people really being instructed in the Gospel?

In my opinion the so-called "revival" of 1859 destroyed Protestantism in Ulster in oh so many ways and we are still living with that poisoned legacy today- you only need to read the debates between the Old Light and New Light Presbyterians in the 18 th and first half of the 19 th centuries to understand the massive degeneration. The irrationalism of the "fleg" protesters can be traced to it in my opinion.

What the world needs is not to be pandered too and to made all "warm and fuzzy" inside- but actual understanding.

indy_man

SoulandForm wrote: »

I went over the top in my comments last night and I ask forgiveness.

However I would ask you attracting people to what? You have various so-called "Evangelical" "Churches" springing up in the 26 counties along the line of American "Mega-Churches" which are able to attract a lot of people- but are those people really being instructed in the Gospel?

In my opinion the so-called "revival" of 1859 destroyed Protestantism in Ulster in oh so many ways and we are still living with that poisoned legacy today- you only need to read the debates between the Old Light and New Light Presbyterians in the 18 th and first half of the 19 th centuries to understand the massive degeneration. The irrationalism of the "fleg" protesters can be traced to it in my opinion.

What the world needs is not to be pandered too and to made all "warm and fuzzy" inside- but actual understanding.

SoulandForm I don't see any reason you need to seek forgiveness, sure its only a discussion and I like your comments. I do believe P Francis is living and breathing the Gospels and the compassion and kindness he shows should help many lost sheep return and let them see that Christianity is not a cess pit of hatred and bigotry like Satan and the secular world would have them believe. Indeed Francis is not the only witness to this there are many across Christianity, but he is getting the PR right now, so I hope it continues.

SoulandForm

indy_man wrote: »

SoulandForm I don't see any reason you need to seek forgiveness, sure its only a discussion and I like your comments. I do believe P Francis is living and breathing the Gospels and the compassion and kindness he shows should help many lost sheep return and let them see that Christianity is not a cess pit of hatred and bigotry like Satan and the secular world would have them believe. Indeed Francis is not the only witness to this there are many across Christianity, but he is getting the PR right now, so I hope it continues.

This is a very important subject (the question of "Church growth" and Im going to start another this).

I will say this though- St Francis of Assisi brought (or the Holy Spirit brought through him) a great revival of piety in his time. He did this though by calling back to the ideal outlined in the Gospel. Ultimately it is the for want of a better word "numeniousity", the Holiness, the over powering sense of the radical Transcendence and radical Immanence of God only found in Christianity that genuinely attracts people to Christ. This is something very distant of the desire to feel "good" or find something "life affirming". It has a simplicity far removed for the world of "PR".

indy_man

SoulandForm wrote: »

This is a very important subject (the question of "Church growth" and Im going to start another this).

I will say this though- St Francis of Assisi brought (or the Holy Spirit brought through him) a great revival of piety in his time. He did this though by calling back to the ideal outlined in the Gospel. Ultimately it is the for want of a better word "numeniousity", the Holiness, the over powering sense of the radical Transcendence and radical Immanence of God only found in Christianity that genuinely attracts people to Christ. This is something very distant of the desire to feel "good" or find something "life affirming". It has a simplicity far removed for the world of "PR".

Indeed St Francis would be a tall order to match for anyone, without even going into the stigmata. But I do think P Francis is showing great levels of charity, love and humility which can only be a good thing without compromising on any doctrine. I personally believe P Francis is preparing many for the second coming of the Lord and through a tribulation where the world will not love Francis as much as we think it does right now. I believe Benedict knows this also and knows he needed someone stronger to gather and lead the flock..... this is probably for a separate topic.

Blue Magic

How do the Vatican and Pope Francis plan to handle the troubling allegations of sexual advances to a 20 year old Swiss guard as per stories in newspapers in the last few days. The former guard claims he had advances from a priest, a bishop and a cardinal!

lazybones32

Blue Magic wrote: »

How do the Vatican and Pope Francis plan to handle the troubling allegations of sexual advances to a 20 year old Swiss guard as per stories in newspapers in the last few days. The former guard claims he had advances from a priest, a bishop and a cardinal!

By investigating them?....

indy_man

Blue Magic wrote: »

How do the Vatican and Pope Francis plan to handle the troubling allegations of sexual advances to a 20 year old Swiss guard as per stories in newspapers in the last few days. The former guard claims he had advances from a priest, a bishop and a cardinal!

I don't know, but i'm sure satan is happy to know this has happened and is getting air time.

PopePalpatine

indy_man wrote: »

I don't know, but i'm sure satan is happy to know this has happened and is getting air time.

Is that how you deal with every scandal? "Oh no, the Church isn't covering up child abuse, that's just Satan's influence on d'meedja!"

indy_man

Any so called religious involved in any form sexual abuse does not truly know Gods love and does not have a close relationship with Christ. I'm not saying they are atheist but they have next to no faith and are abusing their position. Is that not obvious?

Now we have gone from discussing Pope Francis to this, this does need discussion but its typical that someone dropped in such a topic to cause a diversion from the original one. I hope Pope Francis will help purge the Catholic Church of its errors, which are many such as abuse, cover-ups, greed, pride and prepare us for Christs triumphant return.

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Behold the Cross of the Lord!
Flee ye adversaries!
The Lion of the Tribe of Juda,
The Root of David has conquered, alleluia!

Zed Bank

Laughed at the “even communists" line

In all seriousness though if this happened I would have a lot more respect for the RCC. It would not convert me, but hey atleast I wouldnt have so much contempt for them

Personally I have absolute faith in my religion, the church of the flying spaghetti monster. We are all brothers United through his noodley goodness.

lazybones32

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Is that how you deal with every scandal? "Oh no, the Church isn't covering up child abuse, that's just Satan's influence on d'meedja!"

The Church isn't covering up child abuse accusations. It did in the past and that is partially why it is experiencing some of the problems it's experiencing.
Has the degree of attention that's been paid to RCC the same as other religions, Institutions or Professions? No, it hasn't.
I'm not excusing the wrongs done in the past and the cover-ups were worse imo, but you need to look at these things objectively and assess where the real threat to children is coming from...unless you're using their abuse as a political/religious football.

lazybones32

indy_man wrote: »

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Behold the Cross of the Lord!
Flee ye adversaries!
The Lion of the Tribe of Juda,
The Root of David has conquered, alleluia!

St. Anthony?

El_Duderino 09

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

im confused to be honest

It's a parody based on the fact that so much fuss has been made of the speeches the Pope has given that it makes the OP believable but in reality nothing has really changed.