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Silva or Weidman ?

  • 23-12-2013 3:04pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,940 ✭✭✭✭


    So who does everyone think will win this rematch,
    I think Weidman will have enough again and stop Silva in round 3 by ground and pound,


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    If Weidman listens to the taunts and keeps it standing with Silva he will get KO'd. He was playing Silva's game in the last fight till Silva acted the fool too much. If Weidman sticks to the game plan and takes him down constantly cracking him on the ground he will win. It's going to be a serious fight anyway, so excited to see how Silva reacts.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. Manager


    I said this before their first encounter and firmly believe it - Weidman is going to be champ for a while. IMO he's hungrier than Silva to be champ.

    Went to make my Sherdog picks and saw people have it 68% for Silva. Genuinely surprised by that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    I think Silva is going to fight a smarter fight this time..I still think he'll drop his hands and taunt but hopefully not as much. I think he hits harder than weidman. For me, silva to win by ko in the fourth after weidman becomes increasingly desperate after multiple failed takedown attempts. Although I like weidman I think silva will have too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭7oakse


    Just watched the first fight again.

    I think (and hope) Weidman will win.

    His takedowns/GnP will definitely come into play. He dominated the 1st round in the first fight, he was close to a submission and threw quite a few nasty shots.

    The rest of the 1st round Anderson was doing his usual showman bit but he did very little damage and at no point did he stun or deliver any meaningful shots. Although with Anderson, it does look like he would just have to flick a switch and he could put you to sleep and it did appear in the fight that it was a matter of time before he decided to unleash.

    Having said that...we have no reason to believe that Weidman can't stand with Silva on the evidence at hand, Wiedman's KO blow was one that seemingly lacked power (obviously it didn't). What I mean by this is that he was in an awful position, he was off balance and I think the connection could have been better. Obviously Anderson was in an awful position himself, with legs parallel, dicking around etc but I think if Weidman connects he can damage. I think he can hit harder and clearly that could have the potential to KO

    But I think Weidman will fight smarter...he will hopefully embody the 'head not heart' adage because he definitely got tangled up in Anderson's game last time. If he does fight with his head, take him down, grind him down and deliver quite a few heavy blows they will take their toll by the 4th/5th and at that point I wouldn't be surprised if he KO'd him on his feet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Weidman took him down in the first round the last time but failed in the second. We've seen that before with silva. He did the same in his second fight with sonnen. Was taken down in the first and sonnen couldn't take him down again. I just don't see weidman putting him on his back that much and I think silva will have the advantage on his feet over potentially five rounds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Weidman took him down in the first round the last time but failed in the second. We've seen that before with silva. He did the same in his second fight with sonnen. Was taken down in the first and sonnen couldn't take him down again. I just don't see weidman putting him on his back that much and I think silva will have the advantage on his feet over potentially five rounds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭adamski8


    I think silva will smoke weidman, r1 or 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,959 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    IMO this really is a 50/50 fight, Silva could come out and destroy Weidman, and Weidman could just as easily come out and KO Silva early on.

    All depends what Silva turns up i suppose, which is pretty sad when ya think of it, wondering if his game face will be on for a title fight.

    I suppose in my Fantasy i'm gonna go for a first round KO win for Weidman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,286 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Think Anderson is going to be hungry for this.

    Really hope he wins decisively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Weidman fought the 1st fight really badly tactically, If i was his coach it would be simple, Do what Chael done but do it better, Stand only when you have too.

    I f he does this he'll win, and comfortably

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Easy Rod


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Weidman fought the 1st fight really badly tactically, If i was his coach it would be simple, Do what Chael done but do it better, Stand only when you have too.

    I f he does this he'll win, and comfortably

    If he's able to do this he'll win comfortably. Big if though.

    I'm not sure what it is but there's something I don't really like about Weidman, can't really put my finger on it. He's slightly robotic or something personality wise.

    I would like to see a spectacular/dominating win for Silva.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Easy Rod wrote: »
    If he's able to do this he'll win comfortably. Big if though.

    I'm not sure what it is but there's something I don't really like about Weidman, can't really put my finger on it. He's slightly robotic or something personality wise.

    I would like to see a spectacular/dominating win for Silva.

    When he actually bothered doing it in the fight he done it at ease, Chael did too, Silva hasn't beat many Wrestlers, Lots of BJJ and low level strikers

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭Stuxnet


    Oh lord I cant wait, its going to be epic !!

    looking forward to Rousey/Tate as well :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭stealinhorses


    I can't wait for this one, the first fight tells us absolutely nothing about what to expect on Saturday night. In July, both of them f*cked around and didn't stick to any sort of gameplan. As much as the first round showed that Weidman is powerful in his takedowns and can hold Silva on the ground for a while, he wasn't able to deliver any serious damage. Weidman then started dropping his hands because Silva was doing it and completely forgot about the takedown. Obviously it's hard to be critical of that considering he won the belt, but I think this time around we will see a more focused Silva and Weidman will go into this with a lot of pressure on his shoulders - first time defending his championship, rematch with the GOAT, many people think he got lucky, etc.

    I'm predicting a win for Silva but would not be surprised in any way whatsoever if he got smashed in the first by Weidman and that was it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Johnny Drama_11


    Heart says Weidman, head says Silva.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    I think Anderson is going to make statement for this fight he is and always will be the greatest fighter ever in the octagon.

    I love to see a war during a fight but I hope Anderson puts him away fast and hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭chrisbag1986


    I said Weidman first fight and I will say him again.

    Weidman by sub!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,438 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Whatever happens in this fight, it's going to be a really exciting one.
    I'd expect Silva to come out and give Weidman a lot more respect than last time.
    They both have something to prove in this fight. Weidman has to prove (to the die hard Silva fans) that it wasn't a fluke.
    And Silva has to prove that he's still the best and it was a minor setback the last time out.

    Weidman definitely has the tools to put Silva away again and if he sticks to a solid gameplan then he should keep the belt.
    When it comes to Silva though, you never know what'll happen. He could show us another flash of pure brilliance and win his belt back.

    Too hard to call, in my opinion, and I definitely won't be putting any money on it.
    Can't wait for it though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,961 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    no real clues from the first fight how it will pan out with
    silva surely not acting the clown this time
    I hope hes hungry as I want to see how good weidman really is
    I wasn't impressed with weidman in that one and am
    not sure how he will fare out should he not be able
    to take silva down in the latter rounds

    if ever there was a fight not to bet on its this one imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    I will never pick against Silva in a rematch. Every rematch he has had in the UFC, he has destroyed his opponents.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 6,337 Mod ✭✭✭✭PerrinV2


    If Silva were to lose,what next? will he retire?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,323 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Looking forward to this card more than Christmas itself!

    I'd love to see Silva take his title back but something tells me Weidmann retires the great man!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭Talib Fiasco


    Should be a great one...I think Silva will show his true colours this time round...Round 1 KO Imma put it out there!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    Silva R2 TKO


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 36 DerpKehoe


    Silva looks at peace. Weidman knows what he must do. 8/11 on ko as how the fight will end. Taken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,482 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Weidman took him down in the first round the last time but failed in the second. We've seen that before with silva. He did the same in his second fight with sonnen. Was taken down in the first and sonnen couldn't take him down again.

    Chael had him mounted for most of the first round. Silva avoided a takedown in the second round by holding Chaels shorts.

    Danaher actually said Weidman wasn't trying to take Silva down in the second, he was leaning on him with Anderson doing his usual double underhook. Weidman was happily letting Silva tire his arms out. Sure look what Longo said in his corner, punch a hole in his chest, hardly gunning for the takedown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,482 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    I can't wait for this one, the first fight tells us absolutely nothing about what to expect on Saturday night. In July, both of them f*cked around and didn't stick to any sort of gameplan. As much as the first round showed that Weidman is powerful in his takedowns and can hold Silva on the ground for a while, he wasn't able to deliver any serious damage. Weidman then started dropping his hands because Silva was doing it and completely forgot about the takedown. Obviously it's hard to be critical of that considering he won the belt, but I think this time around we will see a more focused Silva and Weidman will go into this with a lot of pressure on his shoulders - first time defending his championship, rematch with the GOAT, many people think he got lucky, etc.

    I'm predicting a win for Silva but would not be surprised in any way whatsoever if he got smashed in the first by Weidman and that was it.

    I'd say to watch the first fight again. Weidman hit Anderson with some hard shots from the top. One in particular bounced Silvas head off the mat and had his eyes roll in his head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,342 ✭✭✭✭That_Guy


    Really interesting fight to call. Big pressure on both fighters going in. Weidman needs to prove his doubters wrong about the first time being a "fluke" while Silva needs to prove that he is actually back and focused.

    How it plays out is anybody's guess but it really depends on what type of Anderson Silva shows up. The cocky showman or the conservative and tactically sound fighter?

    Really intriguing and personally I'd like to see Weidman retain his belt but if the fight remains standing I think he'll lose.

    Can't wait for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Chael had him mounted for most of the first round. Silva avoided a takedown in the second round by holding Chaels shorts.

    Danaher actually said Weidman wasn't trying to take Silva down in the second, he was leaning on him with Anderson doing his usual double underhook. Weidman was happily letting Silva tire his arms out. Sure look what Longo said in his corner, punch a hole in his chest, hardly gunning for the takedown.

    My post was more in response to someone saying Weidmans takedowns will come into play to which my arguement was I didn't think Silva would be taken down too easily. I do think Weidmans best chance is on the mat (assuming ninja Silva shows up). Saying that, I could very well end up eating my words.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭Sean Quagmire


    I think silva will take it.
    The only thing in the back of my head is that after he lost the first time he didn't seem pushed on a rematch. Dana invariably gave him the hair dryer treatment in his office and set up the rematch. Silva's heart has to be in it but if he is any way on he will absolutely smoke Weidman. Weidman is not his most difficult fight not withstanding his age.

    Silva may retire after this or do a GSP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,438 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    I'd say there's a very good chance we'll see Silva retire after this fight.

    Really too difficult to call in my opinion. I like Silva but I'd like to see someone else reign as champ for a while. And I can't think of anyone better than Weidman tbh. (Apart from Sonnen :pac: )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭csallmighty


    I can see another devastating knee from Silva to get the win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    Reda some where recently Anderson has no intention of retiring, said something along the lines of if Dana tries to treat me like Chuck Liddel I'll fight else where


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭califano


    dave1982 wrote: »
    Reda some where recently Anderson has no intention of retiring, said something along the lines of if Dana tries to treat me like Chuck Liddel I'll fight else where

    Probably saying that to keep the revenue streams coming in. If your still in the game youre getting sponsored if your out your not so much. I make Silva 1/4 not to make a ufc comeback.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭osl


    califano wrote: »
    Probably saying that to keep the revenue streams coming in. If your still in the game youre getting sponsored if your out your not so much. I make Silva 1/4 not to make a ufc comeback.

    Whatever about his odds of coming back, there is a 0.0000001% chance that his asking that question has anything to do with revenue streams. Fairly sure he's doing alright, and will continue to do so whether he comes back or not. Give the guy some credit ffs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭chrisbag1986


    Silva does not need the money. If he does retire, he is still an icon and will get a job with the ufc like chuck etc.

    I say we will come back and have one more fight in him. Win and go out in a high which he deserves. No way he will want to leave his legacy behind with 2 straight defeats.

    Imagine advertising 'his one last fight in Brazil'. UFC and Silva would make a BOMB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭OrgasmicBaz


    Silva does not need the money. If he does retire, he is still an icon and will get a job with the ufc like chuck etc.

    I say we will come back and have one more fight in him. Win and go out in a high which he deserves. No way he will want to leave his legacy behind with 2 straight defeats.

    Imagine advertising 'his one last fight in Brazil'. UFC and Silva would make a BOMB

    Big risk in my opinion, what if he was to make a come back and then lose? That would be three losses in a row. A lot of great fighters fought on way more longer than they should of - Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Mark Coleman, Matt Hughes etc

    I would be very suprised if he came back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭chrisbag1986


    difference is, Silva is not done. Freak accident that happened. The loss last weekend goes down as a loss, but it really was a freak accident.

    He was still in the fight until that freak leg break.

    Similar what Fedor done. go out like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 263 ✭✭Locomotion


    difference is, Silva is not done. Freak accident that happened. The loss last weekend goes down as a loss, but it really was a freak accident.

    He was still in the fight until that freak leg break.

    Similar what Fedor done. go out like that.

    Hardly a freak accident. Silva threw a leg kick and Weidmann checked it. Checking the kick not only reduces the damage to yourself but it causes damage to the guy who threw the kick. Weidmann has even been referring to that check as a practiced move called 'Destruction'. I agree that it was unlikely that Weidmann expected to break Silva's leg but probably just as unlikely as a fighter predicting he would land a knockout punch on the 1st punch when throwing a 4 punch combo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭chrisbag1986


    freak accident as in the leg bending 90degrees


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭OrgasmicBaz


    Locomotion wrote: »
    Hardly a freak accident. Silva threw a leg kick and Weidmann checked it. Checking the kick not only reduces the damage to yourself but it causes damage to the guy who threw the kick. Weidmann has even been referring to that check as a practiced move called 'Destruction'. I agree that it was unlikely that Weidmann expected to break Silva's leg but probably just as unlikely as a fighter predicting he would land a knockout punch on the 1st punch when throwing a 4 punch combo

    True, him & Joe Rogan mentioned during/after the fight his coach Donaher practiced the check as he didnt like how easy Silva could land a kick on him


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