jumpseat flying

beer enigma

Flew in from Heathrow to Cork yesterday seat booked 35D on A321.

I normally fly 28D on A320 as first door open in Cork is usually the rear. I was surpris7ed to see people in crew seats and even someone in jump seat.

Turns out A321 replaced by A320 so some passengers booked had no seats. I arrived very early and as boarding card didn't scan they reallocated me into 2C.

Just wondered what's the story with a passenger in the jump seat. Very envious but is it captains discretion ?

ProfessorPlum

Andip wrote: »

Flew in from Heathrow to Cork yesterday seat booked 35D on A321.

I normally fly 28D on A320 as first door open in Cork is usually the rear. I was surpris7ed to see people in crew seats and even someone in jump seat.

Turns out A321 replaced by A320 so some passengers booked had no seats. I arrived very early and as boarding card didn't scan they reallocated me into 2C.

Just wondered what's the story with a passenger in the jump seat. Very envious but is it captains discretion ?

I'm sure every company has their own rules, but it would usually be staff passengers (ie not normal revenue) passengers that are allowed travel in crew seats, and of course at the captains discretion. Lots of crew seats being used atm, I had 4 on my last flight.

Locker10a

I was surprised this was allowed at all for non staff after 9/11 but my seat mate abandoned his exit row seat to sit in the cockpit for the flight on a flight I was on last year from FRA - DUB! He knew the pilot apparently so i guess its up to the Captain discretion!!

Suasdaguna1

As mentioned Capts discretion but under no circumstances can passengers with full fare tickets ride in crew seats or jump seats......only staff tickets.

John_Mc

As already said, it's only airline staff that are allowed and they have to have an air side pass. Even then it's up to the captain.

My girlfriend used to work for Ryanair and was always flying jumpseat. Of course, she never fully appreciated it!

basill

Is there an issue here?. Seems like a complete non issue to me.

John_Mc

Think the OP was just asking how one goes about jumpseating

greenpilot

Good question, do you ask at the desk, or at the top of the steps, or do you need written permission.
Would love to do a flight on a jumpseat.

John_Mc

Not going to happen as it's illegal unless you're staff with the appropriate Id

LeftBase

It's illegal under the security laws governing airlines unless you have a valid crew ID and other company credentials as this is s security pass for all intents and purposes.
From a pilot point of view my company runs a "fly free in uniform" policy so that pilots can position to bases they may not live in but operate out of if that is possible. You arrive at the desk show you company ID and if there is a passenger seat available you get that unless you ask for the jumpseat...if all passenger seats are full the Capt is asked if you can jumpseat(9 times out of 10 as you are crew there is no issue with the jumpseat).
On occasion(although afaik it's more common in the US) pilots will "deadhead" and may not be flying with their company but still jumpseat on another company's aircraft with the Captain's permission. At this time of the year it would be more common than others. For example an Irish pilot who works for a company that do not have a route to Dublin(like me) can show their crew ID at another airline's desk and chance the arm at being allowed to deadhead with them. I flew from Gatwick with Aer Lingus to get home this year and paid full fare....check in desk told me that she could have asked the Captain could I jumpseat for no charge as I was in uniform, having just come off duty....waste of €80..:mad:.

ProfessorPlum

Not so Leftbase, you'd still need an ID90 to be allowed j/s in uniform. That privilege only extends to company pilots.
Welcome home in anycase and happy christmas

calibratedtool

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

I'm sorry but no this is wrong. While common place in the states, a pilot cannot "jumpseat" or "deadhead" with another airline just because he is in uniform and has id.
I work for an Irish airline and would not, and cannot, accept the ID of a pilot in uniform from either of the other two Irish airlines.(or any other airline for that matter) And vice versa.

Sure if you could you'd be going on free holidays to anywhere Easyjet or whoever the pilot works for don't fly to!

What is the policy in your airline Leftbase?

If a non company pilot, like in the situation you claim you were involved in above, asked to jumpseat for free on one of my flights, I'd certainly be offloading him and depending on my mood and how brash he was, quite possibly reporting him to his company.

There's only three irish airlines?

Cessna_Pilot

calibratedtool wrote: »

There's only three irish airlines?

Of course there's Air Contractors.

calibratedtool

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Of course there's Air Contractors.

I presumed that was in the three you alluded to

Locker10a

I know what i witnessed and that was a man in plain clothes who was a fare paying passenger (he had an assigned seat and sat in it) During boarding the pilot made an announcement he gave his name etc. upon hearing the pilots name the man beside me spoke to the crew member positioned at the overwing for boarding, he asked if he could go to say hello to the pilot , the crew member asked his name and went to the flight deck, she came back a few minutes later and told they guy to go on up! He went into the flight deck and never came out! I doubt he was a pilot or crew member of the airline, surely a pilot would pop his head in the door during boarding and say hello to his colleagues instead of sitting down and asking a stewardess if he could speak to the pilot after hearing his name! Also this man was in his late 60's or there abouts so was most likely retired! So I very much doubt he was a current employee of any airline!
This happened last year on an Irish airline on a Europe-Dublin flight! I witnessed it myself!

ProfessorPlum

Locker10a wrote: »

I know what i witnessed and that was a man in plain clothes who was a fare paying passenger (he had an assigned seat and sat in it) During boarding the pilot made an announcement he gave his name etc. upon hearing the pilots name the man beside me spoke to the crew member positioned at the overwing for boarding, he asked if he could go to say hello to the pilot , the crew member asked his name and went to the flight deck, she came back a few minutes later and told they guy to go on up! He went into the flight deck and never came out! I doubt he was a pilot or crew member of the airline, surely a pilot would pop his head in the door during boarding and say hello to his colleagues instead of sitting down and asking a stewardess if he could speak to the pilot after hearing his name! Also this man was in his late 60's or there abouts so was most likely retired! So I very much doubt he was a current employee of any airline!
This happened last year on an Irish airline on a Europe-Dublin flight! I witnessed it myself!

Not doubting what you're saying, but staff, or indeed retired staff on an ID90 ticket (who would have been assigned a seat at check in) and are personally known to the captain can ride in the jumpseat. So there's no issue with what you saw. Just out of interest, do you have a problem with that?
I have to say, one of the things I miss post 9/11 is allowing visits to the cockpit. It was a very exciting experience for lots of passengers, and it's a shame it can't be done anymore.

beer enigma

basill wrote: »

Is there an issue here?. Seems like a complete non issue to me.

I'm the OP, I have no issue whatsoever with it, just curious as to how common it is.

These people definitely were not staff. I asked the crew and they said it was the captain trying to get people home as the aircraft was changed short notice and it was Christmas.

debabyjesus

Maybe he knew the jockey personally. Are you pissed off because some randomer seems to have been invited into the flight deck and you weren't?

beer enigma

debabyjesus wrote: »

Maybe he knew the jockey personally. Are you pissed off because some randomer seems to have been invited into the flight deck and you weren't?

Not upset by it at all, envious yes, but not upset - I don't know about airline rules but if it got someone home and the captain was ok on it then fine by me.

Please don't think this is bashing the airline, quite the opposite, I was purely curious about it.

Locker10a

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Not doubting what you're saying, but staff, or indeed retired staff on an ID90 ticket (who would have been assigned a seat at check in) and are personally known to the captain can ride in the jumpseat. So there's no issue with what you saw. Just out of interest, do you have a problem with that?
I have to say, one of the things I miss post 9/11 is allowing visits to the cockpit. It was a very exciting experience for lots of passengers, and it's a shame it can't be done anymore.

Nope I dont have a problem with it at all! Its a pity its so restricted these days but anyway!! I was just making a point against what some people said here about it only happening in exceptional circumstances etc, the gentleman in question may well have been a retired pilot but he had no intention of jumpseating it home untill he recognised the name of the captain, or at least thats the impression i got! It was on a whim he went up to say hello and ended up staying for the flight!
If flights are full are ordinary passengers allowed to sit in the spare crew jumpseats in the cabin?

notharrypotter

What is an "ID90"?

Locker10a

notharrypotter wrote: »

What is an "ID90"?

Staff ticket afaik

Tenger

Locker10a wrote: »

Nope I dont have a problem with it at all! Its a pity its so restricted these days but anyway!! .............
If flights are full are ordinary passengers allowed to sit in the spare crew jumpseats in the cabin?

I would state no to your question.

In the anecdote that started this thread I was hazard a guess that the male pax was personally known to the captain, who was within his authority to permit him to enter the cockpit. (May well have been a retired captain who recognised the name and knew how to ask)

ID90 is a term for airline staff ticket. (as is ID75)

LeftBase

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

I'm sorry but no this is wrong. While common place in the states, a pilot cannot "jumpseat" or "deadhead" with another airline just because he is in uniform and has id.
I work for an Irish airline and would not, and cannot, accept the ID of a pilot in uniform from either of the other two Irish airlines.(or any other airline for that matter) And vice versa.

Sure if you could you'd be going on free holidays to anywhere Easyjet or whoever the pilot works for don't fly to!

What is the policy in your airline Leftbase?

If a non company pilot, like in the situation you claim you were involved in above, asked to jumpseat for free on one of my flights, I'd certainly be offloading him and depending on my mood and how brash he was, quite possibly reporting him to his company.

As I said I know it's more common in the States but I was just pointing out the concept. I've never seen it in operation in Europe. I think the check in desk may have just been polite in saying that and to be honest I had no real interest in jumpseating apart from the possible chance to save a few bob.

As far as my company's policy..as I said above we can accept company pilots in uniform and with ID, but I'm not sure what the policy re other company's pilots is...I'm not sure if there is a specific policy outside the normal cockpit policy to be honest. But like I said she was pointing it out as a "could have" option and my inner miser kick in!

I was on a flight from Raleigh to JFK with Jet Blue a while ago and there was a Delta skipper deadheading in the jumpseat to JFK...apparently a lot of US long haul pilots position in this way with regional and smaller carriers for free to the major cities for flights and then shuttle back out again.

veetwin

debabyjesus wrote: »

Maybe he knew the jockey personally. Are you pissed off because some randomer seems to have been invited into the flight deck and you weren't?

Most likely the case. I've been lucky enough to get the jump seat many times. I am not airline staff but know a good few pilots through work. If I'm on a flight and happen to know one of the flight crew I'll ask one of the cabin crew to let them know I'm on board. Most of them will invite me to the jump seat because they know I'm an aviation enthusiast. I also have DAA airside permit which is probably no harm.

L1011

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Of course there's Air Contractors.

And Norwegian Long Haul :pac:

(about as Irish as Petromex being one of the biggest companies in the country of course)

Evan DietrichSmith

notharrypotter wrote: »

What is an "ID90"?

Airline staff ticket discounted at 90% ie 10% of the normal fare or thereabouts.

usually issued on a 'standby' basis..ie no empty seat ,no travel..unlesss.....:)

you know someone..... we wont go there.

basill

And worth pointing out that ID90 tickets are becoming increasingly worthless. Whilst 90% discount on the face of it appears enormous, it is calculated on the full fare economy ticket value - a ticket price that the average punter would never ever pay. When you add in taxes and charges then it is often cheaper to book a normal ticket online. That way you can dress how you want, checkin online and reserve a seat and have no fear of not making a flight.

Evan DietrichSmith

basill wrote: »

And worth pointing out that ID90 tickets are becoming increasingly worthless. Whilst 90% discount on the face of it appears enormous, it is calculated on the full fare economy ticket value - a ticket price that the average punter would never ever pay. When you add in taxes and charges then it is often cheaper to book a normal ticket online. That way you can dress how you want, checkin online and reserve a seat and have no fear of not making a flight.

You are not wrong.:cool:

Naked Lepper

John_Mc wrote: »

As already said, it's only airline staff that are allowed and they have to have an air side pass. Even then it's up to the captain.

My girlfriend used to work for Ryanair and was always flying jumpseat. Of course, she never fully appreciated it!

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