primary teaching dare access?

doogybag

anyone know if u get like 420 for a course that's 460 you would get in when ur eligible for dare?

d1234

Really depends on the condition that the applicant has and the demand for the course. Perhaps contact the careers/admissions office in the college for further info.

GarIT

It doesn't work like that at all, there are a couple of places reserved for DARE, to get those places you have to do better than everyone else on DARE that didn't get in on points. It's usually 5-15 points off. 15 points off is rare.

There are some super rare cases for people that go for really unpopular courses, someone in my college got 30 off a course with 20 places. For something like teaching you'd be lucky to get 10 off. 5 is all I would bank on. The points for teaching are going down though as there is no chance of getting a job teaching in Ireland in the next few years.

6thyearlife

A girl I know got 60 points off last year but I hear that is rare

GarIT

6thyearlife wrote: »

A girl I know got 60 points off last year but I hear that is rare

What course though?

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

It doesn't work like that at all, there are a couple of places reserved for DARE, to get those places you have to do better than everyone else on DARE that didn't get in on points. It's usually 5-15 points off. 15 points off is rare.

There are some super rare cases for people that go for really unpopular courses, someone in my college got 30 off a course with 20 places. For something like teaching you'd be lucky to get 10 off. 5 is all I would bank on. The points for teaching are going down though as there is no chance of getting a job teaching in Ireland in the next few years.

I heard if u get within 40 points of it, u can get through?

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

It doesn't work like that at all, there are a couple of places reserved for DARE, to get those places you have to do better than everyone else on DARE that didn't get in on points. It's usually 5-15 points off. 15 points off is rare.

There are some super rare cases for people that go for really unpopular courses, someone in my college got 30 off a course with 20 places. For something like teaching you'd be lucky to get 10 off. 5 is all I would bank on. The points for teaching are going down though as there is no chance of getting a job teaching in Ireland in the next few years.

do you think the points for teaching will go down this year 2, by 5 points maybe?

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

I heard if u get within 40 points of it, u can get through?

That's not how it works at all, 2.5% of places are reserved for DARE (It's usually rounded up) and then entry is exactly like the regular entry where DARE students compete to see who got the highest points, whoever got the highest points gets the place.

Most people that apply to HEAR and DARE don't get anything off at all, you have something like a 50% chance off getting anything off and the majority of those are either 5 or 10 points off, it could be useful but don't take it for granted.

doogybag

6thyearlife wrote: »

A girl I know got 60 points off last year but I hear that is rare

what condition did she have? what course was it? and was it dare or hear thanks!

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

That's not how it works at all, 2.5% of places are reserved for DARE (It's usually rounded up) and then entry is exactly like the regular entry where DARE students compete to see who got the highest points, whoever got the highest points gets the place.

the college told me that, how do you know this?

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

what condition did she have? what course was it? and was it dare or hear thanks!

The condition is completely irrelevant, you can't be asking that.

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

the college told me that, how do you know this?

I went through the system myself, the info is all on the internet. Even just check the info that came with your application.

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

I went through the system myself, the info is all on the internet. Even just check the info that came with your application.

how did you get on?

what was the course the girl did who got 60 points of?

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

how did you get on?

what was the course the girl did who got 60 points of?

There was nothing taken off my course for HEAR or DARE. Anyone I know that got in lost in the random selection and then got in through access.

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

There was nothing taken off my course for HEAR or DARE.

why not?

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

why not?

I already explained, if you are on DARE you are competing with all the other DARE students, enough DARE students got the places at the original points so there were no DARE places available.

You really should do some reading before you mack such a big life choice while you know so little about what you are doing.

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

I already explained, if you are on DARE you are competing with all the other DARE students, enough DARE students got the places at the original points so there were no DARE places available.

You really should do some reading before you mack such a big life choice while you know so little about what you are doing.

so does that mean if I get the original points for the course and I am a dare student, and all the dare places are gone, I don't get in, even though I got the original points, sure that couldn't be right?

doogybag

doogybag wrote: »

so does that mean if I get the original points for the course and I am a dare student, and all the dare places are gone, I don't get in, even though I got the original points, sure that couldn't be right?

please replay! im confused!

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

I already explained, if you are on DARE you are competing with all the other DARE students, enough DARE students got the places at the original points so there were no DARE places available.

You really should do some reading before you mack such a big life choice while you know so little about what you are doing.

please replay im confused?

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

so does that mean if I get the original points for the course and I am a dare student, and all the dare places are gone, I don't get in, even though I got the original points, sure that couldn't be right?

No, you compete for a CAO place like everybody else, the people that don't get a CAO place then compete for a DARE place.

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

No, you compete for a CAO place like everybody else, the people that don't get a CAO place then compete for a DARE place.

so I would get in if I got the original points? did u not get in because u didn't get the points?

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

so I would get in if I got the original points? did u not get in because u didn't get the points?

I got in, the points of the last place in my course was 425, the points of the last HEAR and DARE place was also 425. Points aren't an entry requirement, they are a measure of demand and how well people did that year.

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

I got in, the points of the last place in my course was 425, the points of the last HEAR and DARE place was also 425. Points aren't an entry requirement, they are a measure of demand and how well people did that year.

well then that was fine for u, u had the points, why didn't the points go dwn for hear and dare? u said some1 in ur course got in 30 points lower?

spurious

Please use less text speak thanks.

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

well then that was fine for u, u had the points, why didn't the points go dwn for hear and dare? u said some1 in ur course got in 30 points lower?

Not on my course, in my college. I was making the point that it is rare but can happen.

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

Not on my course, in my college. I was making the point that it is rare but can happen.[/QUOT

is my cao offer and my dare offer not the same thing?

STP50

OP- you apply to CAO for your course like everyone else and compete on the same basis.
If you are eligible to apply for DARE you indicate this on the CAO and complete the application separately.
Information on how to do this are on http://www.accesscollege.ie/dare/
You will be informed in June (after the leaving Cert) if you are accepted for a DARE place.

Once accepted you then only have to meet the entry requirements for your first choice,
If there are more DARE applicants for your 1st choice than there are reserved places available then I understand that the DARE applicants are
ranked in points order.

I know of someone who got Law & Business in TCD and was 80 points off the cut off.
I also am aware of someone in 2012 who got Vet in UCD and was about 60 points off.

Make your application and do your best - the hardest part is getting accepted on to DARE in the first place.

http://www.tcd.ie/pathways-to-trinity/assets/pdf/DARE%20statistics%202012.pdf

doogybag

STP50 wrote: »

OP- you apply to CAO for your course like everyone else and compete on the same basis.
If you are eligible to apply for DARE you indicate this on the CAO and complete the application separately.
Information on how to do this are on http://www.accesscollege.ie/dare/
You will be informed in June (after the leaving Cert) if you are accepted for a DARE place.

Once accepted you then only have to meet the entry requirements for your first choice,
If there are more DARE applicants for your 1st choice than there are reserved places available then I understand that the DARE applicants are
ranked in points order.

I know of someone who got Law & Business in TCD and was 80 points off the cut off.
I also am aware of someone in 2012 who got Vet in UCD and was about 60 points off.

Make your application and do your best - the hardest part is getting accepted on to DARE in the first place.

http://www.tcd.ie/pathways-to-trinity/assets/pdf/DARE%20statistics%202012.pdf[/QUOTE]


thanks, so its if you don't get your offer in cao first, you might get it in dare offer? how much do you think I would get off for primary teaching on average?

GarIT

Nobody knows any anyone that claims to know would be very wrong to do so. For a popular course you won't get much off if anything but that's as far as anyone can speculate.

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

Nobody knows any anyone that claims to know would be very wrong to do so. For a popular course you won't get much off if anything but that's as far as anyone can speculate.

sorry, I was asking the other person, not u!

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

sorry, I was asking the other person, not u!

Boards is for open discussion anyone can reply if they want to. You should be really careful if you are just listening to what you want to hear, you will end up not getting what you want due to accepting misinformation.

spurious

doogybag wrote: »

sorry, I was asking the other person, not u!

Less of that thanks. People are trying to help you here. You need to take heed of what they are saying.

GarIT

STP50 wrote: »

If there are more DARE applicants for your 1st choice than there are reserved places available then I understand that the DARE applicants are
ranked in points order.

There is rarely ever a case where there are not more applicants than places.

It is quite easy to get onto DARE once you have a valid reason to.

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

There is rarely ever a case where there are not more applicants than places.

It is quite easy to get onto DARE once you have a valid reason to.

im just so pointing out theres no need to be negative about it! people actually get in and need this help!

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

im just so pointing out theres no need to be negative about it! people actually get in and need this help!

I don't understand this, I'm not being negative, I'm giving you the facts, other people are telling you fantasy and you are just listening to that because it is the answer you want. Statistically there is little chance of getting 40 points off such a highly demanded course.

The way you are talking now, is like the bookies offer you a bet to double your money if you win but there is only a 1 in 500 chance of winning but you think the bet is a great idea because you would like to win and ignore the other possibilities.

I'm not saying don't put the course you want down. I'd actually say to put down courses you want regardless of points but make sure you have a backup. 40 points off isn't something you should rely on because someone on the internet told you it might happen.

aaabbbb

GarIT wrote: »

It doesn't work like that at all, there are a couple of places reserved for DARE, to get those places you have to do better than everyone else on DARE that didn't get in on points. It's usually 5-15 points off. 15 points off is rare.

There are some super rare cases for people that go for really unpopular courses, someone in my college got 30 off a course with 20 places. For something like teaching you'd be lucky to get 10 off. 5 is all I would bank on. The points for teaching are going down though as there is no chance of getting a job teaching in Ireland in the next few years.

I got 405 in my lc and the course was 435 wih abt 60 places I've heard of a few others etting even mre so its not that rare it seems

doogybag

GarIT wrote: »

I don't understand this, I'm not being negative, I'm giving you the facts, other people are telling you fantasy and you are just listening to that because it is the answer you want. Statistically there is little chance of getting 40 points off such a highly demanded course.

The way you are talking now, is like the bookies offer you a bet to double your money if you win but there is only a 1 in 500 chance of winning but you think the bet is a great idea because you would like to win and ignore the other possibilities.

I'm not saying don't put the course you want down. I'd actually say to put down courses you want regardless of points but make sure you have a backup. 40 points off isn't something you should rely on because someone on the internet told you it might happen.

I know im not expected 40 points off, primary school teaching hasn't a high demand anymore, as you said so yourself

doogybag

aaabbbb wrote: »

I got 405 in my lc and the course was 435 wih abt 60 places I've heard of a few others etting even mre so its not that rare it seems

was that 60 places dfor dare students or in course altogether?

GarIT

aaabbbb wrote: »

I got 405 in my lc and the course was 435 wih abt 60 places I've heard of a few others etting even mre so its not that rare it seems

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it does but statistically it is rare. I know for definite 50% of successful applicants get nothing off and AFAIK about 10% get more than 15 points off, the amount of people drop off dramatically as the amount of points off go up, people getting 40 points off could easily make up less than 1% of successful applicants.

aaabbbb

doogybag wrote: »

was that 60 places dfor dare students or in course altogether?

Course overall (Bio med in Maynooth )

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

I know im not expected 40 points off, primary school teaching hasn't a high demand anymore, as you said so yourself

In your opening post that is what you were asking, you biggest hope is that they drop anyway.

You requested a definite answer on whether you would get into your course on 420 points. I'm just trying to explain that it is a lot more complicated than that and you shouldn't be taking anything for granted. You should probably talk to your career guidance counsellor about this.

doogybag

aaabbbb wrote: »

Course overall (Bio med in Maynooth )

did you get a place because u were the highest to the points?

aaabbbb

doogybag wrote: »

did you get a place because u were the highest to the points?

No idea , possibly.... I dont think there was many othe dare people in my class and only 1 hear person. I don't really remember 3ears ao is a decade in my time ! :P

All I can say was I wish I wasn't such a silly snobby goose at 17 and put Maynooth ahead of DIT. Because while Maynooth is reat and all (dispite he stupid computers in the arts block not letting me type properly) the same course that im doing now is far beter in DIT than Maynooth. But I put Maynooth ahead of DIT o my cao in te case of it being a university how silly I was....

STP50

OP, have a look at the TCD stats I posted earlier. I have not seen similar data from other colleges - but these give a flavor of what happens.

Complete you CAO and ensure the order is exactly what you want regardless of points and work hard to achieve what you need.

If you are eligible -send in a supplementary application for DARE, eligibility is not a life choice - you are eligible or you are not.

You need to be aware that about 40% of the people who make an application are deemed NOT eligible. The criteria are strictly
applied and normally people are excluded because they may not have the appropriate person sign off the medical piece, so be careful with that. DARE run clinics around the country in Jan and it is worth going to one to have someone look at your application to ensure it meets the requirements.
You should look at DARE as another lottery , similar to CAO, but with a smaller pool or people competing for a smaller number of places. I say lottery because you are competing against other DARE applicants for the places and therefore the points cutoff for the DARE people are set within your smaller group and are not influenced by the total population. It completely depends on how many people apply for your course that year and what points they have vs you.
The charts for TCD show by faculty how many places were offered and how many of those had reduced points. Quite a large number of popular courses do have reduced points places - but it would be difficult to say what that would be year to year.
You are not 'measured' off the general population - just among the other DARE applicants who applied for your course.
You could contact the DARE officer in the particular college you are interested in and talk to them - but the situation can vary a lot year to year.

The most difficult thing is that when you are sitting the leaving cert you will not know you have been accepted on DARE - that comes later, so you cannot rely on it at all.

So do your best in the exams - get all the support you need from the school and the department of Education.
If you get your DARE acceptance in July - then look at it as another string to your bow.

Good luck.

doogybag

STP50 wrote: »

OP, have a look at the TCD stats I posted earlier. I have not seen similar data from other colleges - but these give a flavor of what happens.

Complete you CAO and ensure the order is exactly what you want regardless of points and work hard to achieve what you need.

If you are eligible -send in a supplementary application for DARE, eligibility is not a life choice - you are eligible or you are not.

You need to be aware that about 40% of the people who make an application are deemed NOT eligible. The criteria are strictly
applied and normally people are excluded because they may not have the appropriate person sign off the medical piece, so be careful with that. DARE run clinics around the country in Jan and it is worth going to one to have someone look at your application to ensure it meets the requirements.
You should look at DARE as another lottery , similar to CAO, but with a smaller pool or people competing for a smaller number of places. I say lottery because you are competing against other DARE applicants for the places and therefore the points cutoff for the DARE people are set within your smaller group and are not influenced by the total population. It completely depends on how many people apply for your course that year and what points they have vs you.
The charts for TCD show by faculty how many places were offered and how many of those had reduced points. Quite a large number of popular courses do have reduced points places - but it would be difficult to say what that would be year to year.
You are not 'measured' off the general population - just among the other DARE applicants who applied for your course.
You could contact the DARE officer in the particular college you are interested in and talk to them - but the situation can vary a lot year to year.

The most difficult thing is that when you are sitting the leaving cert you will not know you have been accepted on DARE - that comes later, so you cannot rely on it at all.

So do your best in the exams - get all the support you need from the school and the department of Education.
If you get your DARE acceptance in July - then look at it as another string to your bow.

Good luck.

thanks, there by mightn't be many going for primary teaching this year so I could have a good chance couldn't I?

GarIT

doogybag wrote: »

thanks, there by mightn't be many going for primary teaching this year so I could have a good chance couldn't I?

Nobody knows. Anyone saying you have a good chance would just be doing more harm than good. You are clearly desperate to convince someone to tell you what you want to hear, that really isn't good for you.

It will be very difficult to find any employment in teaching in Ireland for a long time so it is likely the demand and therefore the points are likely to go down. That is as much as anyone can honestly say. You really need to make sure you maximise your points and then hope you get lucky. You are best off forgetting the good chance bad chance stuff and concentrating on getting the points.

The leaving cert is mainly very repetitive. If you do an exam paper, using your books making sure you get every answer correct and understanding everything daily from now till the LC you could easily get the points you want.

aaabbbb

GarIT wrote: »

Nobody knows. Anyone saying you have a good chance would just be doing more harm than good. You are clearly desperate to convince someone to tell you what you want to hear, that really isn't good for you.

It will be very difficult to find any employment in teaching in Ireland for a long time so it is likely the demand and therefore the points are likely to go down. That is as much as anyone can honestly say. You really need to make sure you maximise your points and then hope you get lucky. You are best off forgetting the good chance bad chance stuff and concentrating on getting the points.

The leaving cert is mainly very repetitive. If you do an exam paper, using your books making sure you get every answer correct and understanding everything daily from now till the LC you could easily get the points you want.

GarIT is right on the jobs perspective in Ireland my Tutor for maths who also lectures for some courses is a qualified secondary school teacher and prefers to teach in 2nd level as opposed to 3rd level but he's stuck teaching in college at the moment 'cos he can't get a job in a school

So if someone with that level of experience and expertise can't get a job teaching in schools I can't imagine how difficult it must be for new graduates

Having said that, its always best to do what you're happy and interested in. You'll thank yourself in years to come, even if that day is a long time away.

doogybag

aaabbbb wrote: »

GarIT is right on the jobs perspective in Ireland my Tutor for maths who also lectures for some courses is a qualified secondary school teacher and prefers to teach in 2nd level as opposed to 3rd level but he's stuck teaching in college at the moment 'cos he can't get a job in a school

So if someone with that level of experience and expertise can't get a job teaching in schools I can't imagine how difficult it must be for new graduates

Having said that, its always best to do what you're happy and interested in. You'll thank yourself in years to come, even if that day is a long time away.

so you think not much people would go for primary teavhing ?

missguided

doogybag wrote: »

so you think not much people would go for primary teavhing ?

You don't know how many people will apply, even with the lack of jobs primary teaching only went down by 5 points (in Mary I) from 2012 to 2013. Being honest I can't see it dropping all that much more, since 2003 it has been between 465 and 480. Not to say it won't fall, but that's just for comparison. You're better off concentrating on studying to get the points rather than 'hoping it will go down because there are no jobs'.

Be sure you really do want to do it though. The amount of teachers churned out every year is unbelievable. It really isn't a career that you're going to get a permanent job in straight after college.