Avonmore milk

The_Conductor

Not really sure what the story is with Avonmore milk- but the 2 litre cartons seem have fallen dramatically in price over the past week.

E.g. Superquinn 2ltr Avonmore- now 1.99
Tesco now 1.69
Supervalu now 1.79
Centra 1.89


They're not prices that I'd be writing home about- but they're damn close to the generic own-brand prices for Irish (as opossed to NI) milk.

I heard bulk milk prices were falling- and I'm very pleasantly surprised that the consumer are actually benefitting for once- long may it last.

Greenmachine

What day was this. Saw the 2L avonmore going for around €2.19 only Saturday in Jervis shopping centre Tesco. Meanwhile the prices you have seen in some stores is less than the €1.69 they are charging for the tesco brand milk.

Sorry that should have been the same price.

snubbleste

Does it taste better than 1.49 milk?
Otherwise not a bargain :cool:

kn

The price of milk at the farm gate is falling and is expected to fall 20-25% next year so cheaper milk will be more generally available next year.

hfallada

Lidl 1liter carton is 75 cent and its Republic of Ireland milk.

Woodpecker1

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055092266

worth a glance.

yellow hen

hfallada wrote: »

Lidl 1liter carton is 75 cent and its Republic of Ireland milk.

As is tesco and aldi. Once it has the national dairy council stamp on it, I'll buy it.

The_Conductor

Our two are picky- and will only drink Avonmore milk. I've tried giving them the Centra Own Brand stuff- and some of the NI milk- they ju st re f us e to dr in k it .

foggy_lad

The_Conductor wrote: »

Our two are picky- and will only drink Avonmore milk. I've tried giving them the Centra Own Brand stuff- and some of the NI milk- they ju st re f us e to dr in k it .

If they don't see the carton it comes out of they won't know the difference.

yellow hen

foggy_lad wrote: »

If they don't see the carton it comes out of they won't know the difference.

To be fair to conductor, I hate milk from a plastic drum and could instantly tell the difference. It could be the packaging or the storage rather than the milk itself.

L1011

foggy_lad wrote: »

If they don't see the carton it comes out of they won't know the difference.

You need to have no tastebuds to not tell whether milk came from a Tetra carton or a plastic container. Can tell instantly at my parents (who buy both) even in tea.

freedominacup

kn wrote: »

The price of milk at the farm gate is falling and is expected to fall 20-25% next year so cheaper milk will be more generally available next year.

What do you think the farmgate price is? Without googling the answer.

allthedoyles

Glanbia own Avonmore , and Glanbia paid 20m for Wexford Creamery last week.

Just sayin'

and also note that Glanbia have predicted a 50% increase in demand for milk in 2014 .

lionela

The_Conductor wrote: »

Not really sure what the story is with Avonmore milk- but the 2 litre cartons seem have fallen dramatically in price over the past week.

E.g. Superquinn 2ltr Avonmore- now 1.99
Tesco now 1.69
Supervalu now 1.79
Centra 1.89


They're not prices that I'd be writing home about- but they're damn close to the generic own-brand prices for Irish (as opossed to NI) milk.

I heard bulk milk prices were falling- and I'm very pleasantly surprised that the consumer are actually benefitting for once- long may it last.

Tesco own brand milk is the same as Avonmore ....same girl different skirt.

freedominacup

lionela wrote: »

Tesco own brand milk is the same as Avonmore ....same girl different skirt.

Are ya sure? This article relates to milk being purchased at a low price on farms in the south and being shipped north in IBC tanks. The presumed destination you can work out for yourself. Let's just say we reckon it won't be in the north for long.

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/time-to-heed-warnings-on-illegal-milk-trading-150640/

I don't have sub to the online version so can't open the link.

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.glanbia.ie/our-brands

Glanbia own these brands

Avonmore
Premier Milk
Snowcream
CMP

It's all the same milk from the same cows isn't it ?

freedominacup

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.glanbia.ie/our-brands

Glanbia own these brands

Avonmore
Premier Milk
Snowcream
CMP

It's all the same milk from the same cows isn't it ?

Yes they do.

Pretty much the same cows, certainly cows managed under the same regulations. Regional weather variations will have some effect on milk composition at different times of the year due to the amount of grazed grass in the diet in different parts of the country.

wicklowwonder

lionela wrote: »

Tesco own brand milk is the same as Avonmore ....same girl different skirt.

The hot girl that runs past on the Avonmore advert before the weather RTE?

freedominacup

lionela wrote: »

Tesco own brand milk is the same as Avonmore ....same girl different skirt.

What makes you say that?

I was speaking to a Glanbia director a couple of weeks ago and the whole future of their liquid milk business was in the melting pot for a while this year. They are finding it hard enough to make any margin on their own brands nevermind giving the supermarkets product a lower prices to sell at a discount. Liquid mik is not a large part of the Glanbia business. They make far more money on just about any other product in their portfolio. In fact they are dippping their toe in the water on exporting UHT to the far east rather than selling fresh here.


http://www.businessandleadership.com/exporting/item/43948-glanbia-creating-90-jobs/

The_Conductor

Ok- so I guess we're saying, if there is a perceived preference for a particular brand- its either down to total perception- or very slight taste variations, due to different packaging used (with a big negative difference in general for any of the cheaper plastic cartons (Aldi's packaging funnily enough, is the most expensive Tetra Pak of the lot).

L1011

The plastic packaging could be dearer for all it matters - the issue is that milk stays fresher far longer in the dark - one of the main reasons tetrapaks were introduced.

ezra_pound

The only milk worthy of note is glenisk organic fresh milk. It IS special. Everything else is the same unless it comes in plastic which, as others have stated, does taste ... Well, plasticy.

frash

Is there a bargain here at all?

freedominacup

ezra_pound wrote: »

The only milk worthy of note is glenisk organic fresh milk. It IS special. Everything else is the same unless it comes in plastic which, as others have stated, does taste ... Well, plasticy.

No it's not ours varies weekly if not monthly. If your Glenisk tastes the same year round you need to question what they are doing to it to make it so consistent.

ezra_pound

freedominacup wrote: »

No it's not ours varies weekly if not monthly. If your Glenisk tastes the same year round you need to question what they are doing to it to make it so consistent.

Everything else is the same albeit that the homogeneity itself changes as it passes steadily through the chronosphere.

jersey101

ezra_pound wrote: »

Everything else is the same albeit that the homogeneity itself changes as it passes steadily through the chronosphere.

milk cannot taste the same all year, depending on what a cow is eating milk tastes different. If a cow is on just grass it has a different taste to a cow on say silage and meal or maize silage and meal.

Timmaay

freedominacup wrote: »

What makes you say that?

I was speaking to a Glanbia director a couple of weeks ago and the whole future of their liquid milk business was in the melting pot for a while this year. They are finding it hard enough to make any margin on their own brands nevermind giving the supermarkets product a lower prices to sell at a discount. Liquid mik is not a large part of the Glanbia business. They make far more money on just about any other product in their portfolio. In fact they are dippping their toe in the water on exporting UHT to the far east rather than selling fresh here.


http://www.businessandleadership.com/exporting/item/43948-glanbia-creating-90-jobs/

Dairyfarmers who produce liquid milk during the winter months are also exiting at an alarming rate, as not enough of a premium is being paid for the extra hassle/costs associated with it (mostly higher feed cost). Will we face a situation where its quite hard to source fresh milk from farms in the republic during the winter months, with either milk sourced from abroad, or UHT being more common place on our shelves in the future?

ezra_pound

jersey101 wrote: »

milk cannot taste the same all year, depending on what a cow is eating milk tastes different. If a cow is on just grass it has a different taste to a cow on say silage and meal or maize silage and meal.

I know. That's what I said.

ezra_pound

ezra_pound wrote: »

The only milk worthy of note is glenisk organic fresh milk. It IS special. Everything else is the same unless it comes in plastic which, as others have stated, does taste ... Well, plasticy.

Addendum

Glenisk does not taste the same all year. However it consistently tastes much better than any other milk in the Irish market.

All other milk essentially tastes the same although the sameness of the taste changes throughout the year.

freedominacup

kn wrote: »

The price of milk at the farm gate is falling and is expected to fall 20-25% next year so cheaper milk will be more generally available next year.

I'd say the lads on the milk price thread were right when they opined that you pulled that gem out of your arse


http://www.agriland.ie/news/dairy-prices-expected-to-stay-high-rabobank/

slave1

Two 2L of milk in Dealz for €2.50

freedominacup

The_Conductor wrote: »

Ok- so I guess we're saying, if there is a perceived preference for a particular brand- its either down to total perception- or very slight taste variations, due to different packaging used (with a big negative difference in general for any of the cheaper plastic cartons (Aldi's packaging funnily enough, is the most expensive Tetra Pak of the lot).

No what we're saying is that if in a country with the lowest production costs in the developed world, lower than both New Zeland and California, both the milk producers and processors are questioning the viability of continuing to produce this product. You as consumers need to question whether you want a quality product or a cheap one because at the moment we have better options than to continue to supply customer who places so little value on what we are selling. As long as liquid milk is selling for less than bottled water you should be asking yourself questions about what you are buying.

Capt'n Midnight

freedominacup wrote: »

As long as liquid milk is selling for less than bottled water you should be asking yourself questions about what you are buying.

Isn't the whole point of the NDC label to let customers know exactly what they are getting ?

I can remember Jersey milk which had extra cream.
Can't remember when I saw it last.

I'd argue that the differences between no fat, semi skimmed, normal milk , and the annual changes are greater than the differences between the brands that milk from Irish cows is sold under.


Yes farmers aren't getting what they'd like. Not a new story.
Yes supermarkets and distributors are creaming it.
Consumers will vote with their feet.

If there was a magic way of taking the real increase in food prices and feed it back to the producers who are seeing lower prices at the farm gate then yeah that would be good. But I just can't see it happening.

freedominacup

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Isn't the whole point of the NDC label to let customers know exactly what they are getting ?

I can remember Jersey milk which had extra cream.
Can't remember when I saw it last.

I'd argue that the differences between no fat, semi skimmed, normal milk , and the annual changes are greater than the differences between the brands that milk from Irish cows is sold under.


Yes farmers aren't getting what they'd like. Not a new story.
Yes supermarkets and distributors are creaming it.
Consumers will vote with their feet.

If there was a magic way of taking the real increase in food prices and feed it back to the producers who are seeing lower prices at the farm gate then yeah that would be good. But I just can't see it happening.

Actually most dairy farmers you'd talk to are quite happy with what they are getting at the moment but liquid milk is a drag on that price and both processors and farmers are questioning the viability of continuing to supply this product when they can make more money elswhere on just about any other product line. That's my point. Consumers may vote with their feet but they could find themselves with one less candidate to vote for. The milk processors have refined the efficiency of their liquid milk operations to such a degree that the redundancy payments to staff involved in the liquid milk operations would be no obstacle to discontinuing production. Consumers need to be aware of this every time they pick an own brand milk if they wish to have the choice of buying an Irish product in the future.

Capt'n Midnight

freedominacup wrote: »

Consumers need to be aware of this every time they pick an own brand milk if they wish to have the choice of buying an Irish product in the future.

so where does the own brand milk come from then ?

at this stage it's mostly Irish milk isn't it so it's still the same cows and farmers isn't it


back to the original thread
unless you can taste difference there is no point in buying more expensive milk and if you do you are subsidising the supermarkets rather than the farmers

The_Conductor

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

at this stage it's mostly Irish milk isn't it so it's still the same cows and farmers isn't it

We import millions of litres of milk every year (simultaneously exporting milk), mostly from the UK. Our exports go to a far more eclectic range of destinations.

The CSO publish trade statistics (which I couldn't be arsed looking up- but thats where the stats are).

freedominacup

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

so where does the own brand milk come from then ?

At this stage if it saye NDC approved on the pack I'd assume it's from the Republic of Ireland.My point is that own brand and it's lack of return for producers is contributing to a situation where it may not be easy to get milk with an NDC stamp in the not to distant future. There are plenty of other markets with a better return.

On the original thread the sameness is down to a certain amount of skimming and homogenization.