Pre 2008 car tax

P_Cash

will this ever come down,

Im looking for a second car, and i need it to tow a trailer,
(dont worry i tick all the boxes with wieght etc and Licence),

was think of a 2006/2007 car, maybe a mondeo or passat, 2ltr diesel

but the flupin tax is over €700. .

i have max 4/5k to spend.

Regards,
P Cash

challengemaster

ITS OVER 9000!

In short, I wouldn't be placing any bets on motor tax decreasing in the future. For anyone.

P_Cash

challengemaster wrote: »

ITS OVER 9000!

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Toyotafanboi

P_Cash wrote: »

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he means €900

Stheno

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

he means €900

Tax on my 2l car is about €700 per year

colm_mcm

Its €710 though.

Between 2.0 and 2.1 the tax goes up by €194. That's a whole years tax for a 1.0 car.

How does that make sense?

Next jump between 2.1 and 2.2 is €43

Sobanek

colm_mcm wrote: »

Its €710 though.

Between 2.0 and 2.1 the tax goes up by €194. That's a whole years tax for a 1.0 car.

How does that make sense?

Next jump between 2.1 and 2.2 is €43

Makes no sense in my opinion.

The difference between 1.9 and 2.0 is €27...

shot2go

tax on my 2.2 is nearly a grand, more if u pay it every 3 months. cant see tax going down anytime soon

Seweryn

Sobanek wrote: »

Makes no sense in my opinion.

Is there any sense in the way the motor tax is calculcated? The rates are pulled from the sky.

Noccy_Mondy

P_Cash wrote: »

will this ever come down,

Im looking for a second car, and i need it to tow a trailer,
(dont worry i tick all the boxes with wieght etc and Licence),

was think of a 2006/2007 car, maybe a mondeo or passat, 2ltr diesel

but the flupin tax is over €700. .

i have max 4/5k to spend.

Regards,
P Cash

I suppose all that you can do if you need the 2.0l ish size engine is budget and set cash aside for the tax throughout the year, less of a pain when it comes to coughing up.

Bobo78

P_Cash

ya, just to clear it up, its not 900.

its 710 as pointed out,

stretching to a 2008 is just putting tax money towards a more expensive car, . . its a no gain situation,

will probably settle for a 2005/2006 . . .

only thing there is ill face an annual NCT from 2015

Stheno

P_Cash wrote: »

ya, just to clear it up, its not 900.

its 710 as pointed out,

stretching to a 2008 is just putting tax money towards a more expensive car, . . its a no gain situation,

will probably settle for a 2005/2006 . . .

only thing there is ill face an annual NCT from 2015

I may be in a minority, but as someone who owns an older car, generally I think a yearly NCT is a good idea, and something that should be introduced for all cars over 4 years, rather than the current ten years.

I've had one bad experience getting my car NCTed every years and strangely enough it was the last one, but countless times they do find faults that have not shown up prior to it, or been noticeable.

I view it very much as a dirt cheap diagnostic, so cheap in fact that in the case of my last NCT, I'm getting it tested again in a different centre to see the results of the alleged fault found which my mechanic cannot stand by.

NCT aside, my car currently needs:

1. Faulty light on dash replaced.
2. Missing door seals replaced
3. Spark plugs replaced.

However none of these are safety issues/causing emissions problems and rightly enough the NCT didn't address them.

/Rant over

Idbatterim

surely a 1.6 - 1.8 diesel would also do they job if motor tax is a concern?

drunkmonkey

They should allow peope to choose the lower tax based on CC or CO2 for pre 08, my 07 has CO2 of 177 and it's €1494 a year while the same car 8mts newer is €750. It's a vastly unfair systems for pre 08 cars.
How would one go about challenging it?

Scortho

What I can see them doing, as more CC taxed cars go off the road/get scrapped, is serious increases in the CO2 rates, to keep total motor tax revenue for the year at a similar level to the previous year.

Idbatterim

They should allow peope to choose the lower tax based on CC or CO2 for pre 08, my 07 has CO2 of 177 and it's €1494 a year while the same car 8mts newer is €750. It's a vastly unfair systems for pre 08 cars.
How would one go about challenging it?

Nobody is stopping anyone going out and buying an emissions based equivalent, the reason I'm not, is that I dont fancy losing 3-4k a year in depreciation... It certainly isnt a win/win, unless you are looking at a newish car anyway... In fairness, if you can afford that level of tax, you can afford an 08, it probably just not the 08/09 BM you would actually want or B your not prepared to part with what they are looking for at the moment, which is my case...

Chris_Heilong

challengemaster wrote: »

ITS OVER 9000!

In short, I wouldn't be placing any bets on motor tax decreasing in the future. For anyone.

Dont worry Challengemaster, I understand that quote.

recipio

What gets me is the arrogance of this tax. Whatever happened to equal taxation before the law ? Should everyone not pay the same tax on the same car. ?
Many people bought cars pre '08 on which they could just about manage the tax but now find themselves unable to change, as the cars are unwanted even as trade-ins.
One of the reasons Paisley said he didn't want our 'Banana Republic' ??

djimi

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They should allow peope to choose the lower tax based on CC or CO2 for pre 08, my 07 has CO2 of 177 and it's €1494 a year while the same car 8mts newer is €750. It's a vastly unfair systems for pre 08 cars.
How would one go about challenging it?

While I agree with you, they would lose an absolute fortune if they allowed pre-2008 cars to choose the cheaper system, and also it wouldnt suit their agenda of taking all of the dangerous ancient pre-2008 death traps off the road :rolleyes:

bigboss1986

Mazda rx8 pre 2008 genuinely taxed as 1.3 385e,taxed as 1.7 when revenue f*cked up multiplaying engine size by x1.5 670e,
After 2008 tax went to 2200....any questions?

Irish Steve

djimi wrote: »

While I agree with you, they would lose an absolute fortune if they allowed pre-2008 cars to choose the cheaper system, and also it wouldnt suit their agenda of taking all of the dangerous ancient pre-2008 death traps off the road :rolleyes:

If you'd said 98 I might agree with you, but since when have 6 year old cars been "dangerous ancient death traps"?????

If they were, that would make a mockery of the NCT concept, they should all be failing the tests to the extent that they were unrepairable.

The issue with tax rates on engine sizes is more insidious, and probably needs some proper research, because of the way the rates are structured, and the rip off with VRT, Ireland has the most underpowered vehicle fleet in Europe, there are vehicles imported here that the manufacturers don't offer in any other country, because they are so woefully underpowered, and that can and does affect the economy of some vehicles, and as far as I'm concerned that aspect of the Irish fleet is more dangerous than the age of the vehicles.

An engine that's too small and working too hard can end up using more fuel than an appropriately engined vehicle, and can also be a road safety issue, an underpowered car takes longer to accelerate and make a safe overtaking manoeuvre, on a road network with many motorways, it's not quite so much of an issue, but on standard roads, which is the majority of Irish roads, completing an overtake move in the shortest possible time is highly desirable.

A number of years ago, I tested a Fiat, which in Ireland had a 1.6 and a 1.8 petrol engine option. The 1.8 had better fuel economy than the 1.6, and as an exercise to see what the 1.6 was like, I took a couple of adult friends out on a test drive in the 1.6, got on to a "suitable" section of road, and buried the boot to see if the car would actually move in a sensible time. It didn't, the acceleration was dire, and it was very clear that the 1.6 was woefully underpowered. I got the 1.8 and had to live with the extra road tax, in that I wanted a vehicle that would be safe when loaded.

I would be prepared to go as far as saying that some of the deaths that occur on the roads are young drivers who don't have experience of small engines with a full load, and do things like pull out to overtake with a fully loaded car without realising that the time to overtake will be significantly increased, with the tragic result that they can't complete the move before a vehicle coming in the opposite direction arrives. Yes, this can also catch out more experienced drivers that are not used to a full car, the difference in acceleration when one up and when 5 up in an underpowered car is very significant, and often not recognised.

The methodology of taxation on vehicles in this country is all wrong. Ideally, and to save a lot of admin cost, we should change the way it is done, but if they really must still have a road tax, then make it a standard "usage" charge, which is more reasonable, and not punitive, and then have a proportion of what was the road tax as a charge on road fuel, so that the user who does high mileage pays proportionally more than the driver that does low mileage, and a large engine gas guzzler will also pay proportionally more than an economic vehicle. If there are engine alternatives, if the base tax is the same for both, then the manufacturers just might be persuaded to import vehicles with more appropriate size engines in them.

bigboss1986

@Irish steve

I agree 100000% .I hate seeing BMW 5 1.8d because ''cheap road tax'' .I want 540i on the road but not paying 1850 for nothing

Seweryn

bigboss1986 wrote: »

Mazda rx8 pre 2008 genuinely taxed as 1.3 385e,taxed as 1.7 when revenue f*cked up multiplaying engine size by x1.5 670e,
After 2008 tax went to 2200....any questions?

Sadly, this is the very reason that cars like the RX8 are automatically out of our market and will never be seen on the road again .

ION08

It's an absolute joke. My car is €690 per year to tax, yet it has OFFICIAL Co2 figures recorded on the log book (151g)

Going by co2 it should cost €390.

What an absolute joke, why am I paying an extra 300???

This two tier system is grossly unfair (and infuriating)

Makes absolutely no sense!

Extortion of the highest order!!

bigboss1986

ION08 wrote: »

It's an absolute joke. My car is €690 per year to tax, yet it has OFFICIAL Co2 figures recorded on the log book (151g)

Going by co2 it should cost €390.

What an absolute joke, why am I paying an extra 300???

This two tier system is grossly unfair (and infuriating)

Makes absolutely no sense!

Extortion of the highest order!!

Friend of mine has Seat Leon 1.9 tdi 110 with co2 136g but it is 2002 tax is 690 instead of 200

I have RX8 taxed as 1.3 tax 385 co2 well over 250g because she has de-cat and all rx8 all emission test exempt so I ''kill' 2-3 trees on the way to work

Road tax its absolute joke.

ION08

bigboss1986 wrote: »

Friend of mine has Seat Leon 1.9 tdi 110 with co2 136g but it is 2002 tax is 690 instead of 200

I have RX8 taxed as 1.3 tax 385 co2 well over 250g because she has de-cat and all rx8 all emission test exempt so I ''kill' 2-3 trees on the way to work

Road tax its absolute joke.

I had a RX8 with decat a couple of years ago but it was taxed as a 1.8 :rolleyes:

The government make up these rules just to suit them.

I can't believe people actually stand for this, it is basically one rule for the poorer (that cant afford 08) and another rule for the richer!

Discrimination like this under any other circumstance would cause uproar but because it's motoring related we just bend over and accept it.

As 08's start to get older and cheaper and become affordable to a higher proportion of the population, watch the Government Jack up post 08 rates under the disguise of some false "environmental" agenda.

Its not even worth thinking about because it genuinely gets my blood boiling!

PurvesGrundy

djimi wrote: »

While I agree with you, they would lose an absolute fortune if they allowed pre-2008 cars to choose the cheaper system

How would they? There are many cars in this country that are out of action due to the extortionate rate of tax slapped on to them. If the government reduced motor tax across the board, they would likely be better off through more cars physically on the road that are fully tax compliant.

lomb

Buy whatever you can afford. The politics of envy are huge in Ireland/ all over the world. Ireland being a backward small Island historically envy played a huge role in the size of your car. When buying new most city cars were under 1.2, most small hatchs under 1.6 and most family cars under 2l, the 2l+ cars were deemed luxury and taxed that way.
My car would be 2200 on the co2 tax but I pay 640 or so so Im happy. I bought it with the running costs in mind, if the tax was 2k I wouldn't have bought it. Simples.