900,000 slaves in Europe

MilanPan!c

Shocking stuff!

A recent European parliamentary report estimated there were about 880,000 people living in slave-like conditions in Europe, of whom 270,000 were victims of sexual exploitation.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/dec/11/uk-nordic-model-prostitution-clients-buyer-sex

I knew this was a massive problem, but had no idea the numbers involved!

hotbabe1992

Its demand basically that dictates supply these guys who buy do not care what state the women are in basically trapped and held as prisoners.

Its disgusting.

The Corinthian

MilanPan!c wrote: »

I knew this was a massive problem, but had no idea the numbers involved!

Which problem? Slavery or sexual slavery? One thing that disturbs me about this topic is that the vast majority, by that articles own figures, of this slavery is not related to the sex industry, yet it seems to be the only type of slavery that anyone seems to care about.

What about the other 610,000 slaves being exploited non-sexually? It's difficult to even find an article that discusses them, let alone see anything being done about it, but here's one if anyone cares.

And where are these estimates coming from anyway? I don't remember the option for 'slave' being there on the last census form.

Manach

Whilst there are trafficked individuals present in Europe in a variety of unsavory roles, my take away from a talk given by the Dept. of Justice on this is that, the figures are by their nature due to the uncertain. This is in part to the ambiguous nature of reporting.

MilanPan!c

The Corinthian wrote: »

Which problem? Slavery or sexual slavery? One thing that disturbs me about this topic is that the vast majority, by that articles own figures, of this slavery is not related to the sex industry, yet it seems to be the only type of slavery that anyone seems to care about.

What about the other 610,000 slaves being exploited non-sexually? It's difficult to even find an article that discusses them, let alone see anything being done about it, but here's one if anyone cares.

And where are these estimates coming from anyway? I don't remember the option for 'slave' being there on the last census form.

Well ok, the numbers are obviously estimates based the work of charities, the police, and other related action groups.

What so I care about?

I personally don't think any form of slavery is great.

The Corinthian

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Well ok, the numbers are obviously estimates based the work of charities, the police, and other related action groups.

Well, TBH, the numbers are really off topic, although they would make for an interesting discussion in another thread. My point was more that they're not "obviously" anything, they're just numbers we're given and we trust to be accurate and thus we presume they must be. And, increasingly, I've discovered that many such numbers are anything but.

I personally don't think any form of slavery is great.

I agree, but the article you posted wasn't really about slavery, it was about a controversial law, designed to counteract a minority of slavery cases and as we saw with the post immediately after yours, that's what the thread would have become dominated by, and not about slavery.

MilanPan!c

The Corinthian wrote: »

Well, TBH, the numbers are really off topic, although they would make for an interesting discussion in another thread. My point was more that they're not "obviously" anything, they're just numbers we're given and we trust to be accurate and thus we presume they must be. And, increasingly, I've discovered that many such numbers are anything but.

I agree, but the article you posted wasn't really about slavery, it was about a controversial law, designed to counteract a minority of slavery cases and as we saw with the post immediately after yours, that's what the thread would have become dominated by, and not about slavery.

Actually they ARE obviously something...

As for what you think the thread should have been about or whatever, knock yourself out.

The Corinthian

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Actually they ARE obviously something...

If you know where those numbers came from, perhaps - who commissioned them and who they are, what methodology and standards they used, and so on. If you know all of the above and can vouch for the validity of those numbers, then great; otherwise you're taking it on faith, or presumption, just like the rest of us, that there's anything obvious about them.

Anyhow, it's not really on topic and I don't really want to derail things.

As for what you think the thread should have been about or whatever, knock yourself out.

About 900,000 slaves in Europe, as per the thread title?

MilanPan!c

The Corinthian wrote: »

If you know where those numbers came from, perhaps - who commissioned them and who they are, what methodology and standards they used, and so on. If you know all of the above and can vouch for the validity of those numbers, then great; otherwise you're taking it on faith, or presumption, just like the rest of us, that there's anything obvious about them.

Anyhow, it's not really on topic and I don't really want to derail things.

About 900,000 slaves in Europe, as per the thread title?

Easy enough to find the info if you feel the thread needs it.

Sure, google is your friend so... Happy hunting.

Sulla Felix

The Corinthian wrote: »

Which problem? Slavery or sexual slavery? One thing that disturbs me about this topic is that the vast majority, by that articles own figures, of this slavery is not related to the sex industry, yet it seems to be the only type of slavery that anyone seems to care about.

While I agree that other cases are under reported I don't think that a reporting ratio mirroring the rate of slavery types is necessarily the answer. To be glib, I'd rather be a workslave for that Irish gang operating in Scandanavia than a sexslave in a brothel, if it came down to it.
So while all slavery is wrong, some types of slavery are going to generate a much stronger emotional reaction from the public.

poundapunnet

The Corinthian wrote: »

Which problem? Slavery or sexual slavery? One thing that disturbs me about this topic is that the vast majority, by that articles own figures, of this slavery is not related to the sex industry, yet it seems to be the only type of slavery that anyone seems to care about.

What about the other 610,000 slaves being exploited non-sexually? It's difficult to even find an article that discusses them, let alone see anything being done about it, but here's one if anyone cares.

And where are these estimates coming from anyway? I don't remember the option for 'slave' being there on the last census form.

It's an emotive issue, and to put it bluntly I'd say it gets more clicks and sells more papers. It's one of the lowest down most disgusting examples of the eternal truth: sex sells. Especially where children are involved, people are going to get incredibly fired up about it and charities and the media pander to that. And I'd say they manipulate the situation of it being impossible to know the figures for sure to again, get clicks and sell papers.

That said, I've seen plenty coverage of garden-variety slavery over the past year or so. The Sunday Times has done a lot on it if you fancy a google.

randomperson12

they should have a european united international crack down in europe to eliminate all of that crap