Should Fundraising and Charities be more Transparent where the money goes?

Red_Dwarf

Looking at the CRC fiasco where bonuses and salaries where topped up using charitable donations should All charities by law give a breakdown of how much is going to the cause rather than wages and admin fees?

Im sure many donators believe that 100% of their donations are going towards a good cause.

diomed

The goalkeeper is out of position. The goal is empty. You have the ball at you feet. You can't miss.

diomed

I've worked with two well paid people who moved to work in charities.
One is paid about six times what he is worth on the open market.

caustic 1

Totally

whiskeyman

We need to establish a charity for these poor unfortunate charity directors / chiefs who are now without their top-up amounts, or worse still, without their lavish renumeration.
Your €10 a month can go towards paying off a golf subscription to help them overcome the ill effects of this awful negative publicity.
A single donation will go towards protecting more heavily paid charity chiefs immediately.
Our poor chiefs will personally send you a handwritten letter from their holiday homes in the South of France detailing the suffering and hardship they have endured since this awful media war broke.
Please donate whatever you can.

Thank you.

emo72

Watching the CRC guy on the video was like watching a slow motion car crash.

Mr.Micro

emo72 wrote: »

Watching the CRC guy on the video was like watching a slow motion car crash.

Yeah stunned, that he with the board have been caught taking money meant for the centre. It's been going on for a long time. It's like a perk to get a job like that, do little and take the money.

sensormatic

a bit like eddie rockets who steal your pockets

mike65

It gets worse!

From the churnal.ie

THE CENTRAL REMEDIAL Clinic (CRC) pays the Mater Hospital around €660,000 to administer a pension fund that does not exist, the Dáil’s Public Accounts Committee has heard.

Towards the end of an extraordinary five hours of hearings on the recent scandal surrounding the CRC, its former chief executive Paul Kiely revealed that the Mater Hospital charges the clinic for administering a non-existent pension fund.

He explained that the CRC pays the Mater a premium between 10 and 13 per cent of employees’ gross salaries for the public hospital to administer a Voluntary Hospitals Superannuated Scheme or VHSS pension scheme

Administration and accountability in this country is a thoroughgoing scandal.

Mr.Micro

mike65 wrote: »

It gets worse!

From the churnal.ie



Administration and accountability in this country is a thoroughgoing scandal.

Was not Kiely Bertie's man? The legacy of Bertie, lol

Soft Falling Rain

While I think salaries are higher than they should be in charity organisations and NGOs, you have to remember that the work involved (for those on the frontline at least) is highly stressful. Some sectors have a high burn out rate and in some, you are even putting yourself in physical danger just by going into work.

Also, you have to look at it from this perspective; good salaries will attract highly trained individuals, which in turn enhances the service that is being provided to those in need.

Red_Dwarf

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

While I think salaries are higher than they should be in charity organisations and NGOs, you have to remember that the work involved (for those on the frontline at least) is highly stressful. Some sectors have a high burn out rate and in some, you are even putting yourself in physical danger just by going into work.

Also, you have to look at it from this perspective; good salaries will attract highly trained individuals, which in turn enhances the service that is being provided to those in need.

I understand this but on every Bucket or Charity site it should clearly say that eg:

70% of every euro goes towards said cause so people know not all the money donated is going towards a cause

Mr.Micro

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

While I think salaries are higher than they should be in charity organisations and NGOs, you have to remember that the work involved (for those on the frontline at least) is highly stressful. Some sectors have a high burn out rate and in some, you are even putting yourself in physical danger just by going into work.

Also, you have to look at it from this perspective; good salaries will attract highly trained individuals, which in turn enhances the service that is being provided to those in need.

Yes indeed, for qualified and dedicated people, not the types we have seen so far on the board. Is there a word for them?

Soft Falling Rain

Red_Dwarf wrote: »

I understand this but on every Bucket or Charity site it should clearly say that eg:

70% of every euro goes towards said cause so people know not all the money donated is going towards a cause

But that's what I'm saying; technically, it is going towards the cause as you are (ideally) acquiring the best professionals available to help those in need.

You're right though, there should be transparency, and if it ever does happen it won't be salaries that give the public the biggest shock IMO.

mike65

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Was not Kiely Bertie's man? The legacy of Bertie, lol

The Mater trust has been at various times been made up of Drumcondra Mafia types.

Red_Dwarf

mike65 wrote: »

The Mater trust has been at various times been made up of Drumcondra Mafia types.

Im now wondering where the €660 000 goes if the fund is non existant

Lapin

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Was not Kiely Bertie's man? The legacy of Bertie, lol

Most of the board were Bertie's men. The entire thing stinks beyond revulsion.

Red_Dwarf wrote: »

Im now wondering where the €660 000 goes if the fund is non existant

I should show up on the Mater Hospital accounts.






Should.

emo72

the complete CRC board should resign. it has to happen the name has been blackened terribly. the CRC will have to go and be started up again with a whole new ethos and way of doing things. its the only way that it can do its job, a job thats badly needed.

the board stood over this. they were just in it to enrich themselves. what a **** up.

diomed

Red_Dwarf wrote: »

Im now wondering where the €660 000 goes if the fund is non existant

Bertie Aherne - worked in the Mater hospital
Central Remedial Clinic CEO - worked in the Mater hospital
Central Remedial Clinic - mysteriously send €600k to the Mater Hospital

Popcorn time.

Lapin

diomed wrote: »

Popcorn time.

Better go for the extra large bucket.

diomed

This is like Santa Claus delivering presents to After Hours. :pac:

mike65

Madeupastan probably has higher standards of probity.

UCDVet

UCDVet's Guide To Not Getting Scammed By Charities....

1.) Don't give to charities

It works surprisingly well.

UCDVet

emo72 wrote: »

the complete CRC board should resign. it has to happen the name has been blackened terribly. the CRC will have to go and be started up again with a whole new ethos and way of doing things. its the only way that it can do its job, a job thats badly needed.

the board stood over this. they were just in it to enrich themselves. what a **** up.

If they cared about 'doing what is right' - they wouldn't have allowed the bad stuff to happen in the first place.

Thus, it's safe to assume they'll do nothing. In a few months we'll be busy talking about something else. If things get really bad, they'll hire someone's brother-in-law's marketing company to advise them on a new corporate branding strategy. They'll change the logo, name, slogan, and then give themselves raises.

Red_Dwarf

Charity donations ‘plummet 40%’ in wake of CRC revelations

Charity donations have plummeted by up to 40 per cent in the wake of the top-up payments controversy, according to Fundraising Ireland.
The umbrella group for professional fundraisers said charities were receiving phone calls on an hourly basis from people looking to cancel donations.
Chief executive Anne Hanniffy said two weeks of ongoing revelations about donations being used to top up the salaries of senior executives at the Central Remedial Clinic was having a devastating impact on the charity sector.
While the revelations were a “million miles” from the activities or experiences of most organisations, it seemed all charities were being tarred with the same brush, she said.
“There is no denying but that this is one of the most serious periods faced by the Irish not-for-profit sector.”
“I have been on the phone constantly to organisations over the past two weeks and they are extremely concerned that the people least able to live without their support - sick children, people with disabilities, families in need - are the ones who will most affected by this crisis in both confidence and donations.”
Ms Hanniffy called on charities to publish their accounts on-line “as a matter of urgent public duty”.
She said Fundraising Ireland supported the practice of people being paid “fair and reasonable salaries” in charities, commensurate with their expertise and the impact of their work.
She also called on the Government to establish the charity regulator within the first quarter of next year, as its establishment was already six years overdue.
The Charities Act, which would have seen the establishment of a regulator for the sector, was enacted – but not enforced – in 2009.
Minister for Justice Alan Shatter deferred the implementation of the law which would have forced the country’s 8,000 charities to make their financial information public on the grounds of cost.
However, the recent controversy surrounding top-up salaries at the CRC has triggered fresh calls for the legislation to be implemented.
The Department of Justice has indicated it plans to establish a new charities regulator, albeit in shadow format, in the first half of next year
“This crisis has completely undermined the years of work that most charities have invested in ensuring openness, transparency and good governance,” Ms Hanniffy said.
“It has also shown us that perhaps the time has come for a charity rating system that is based on transparency, effectiveness and impact. That way donors can be fully aware about where their money is going but also be fully appraised about whether their donation is doing what it is meant to do.”
Fundraising Ireland collects data on people’s giving habits during the Christmas appeal period. It bases its estimate of the current losses on a straw poll and conversations with fundraising teams around the country.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/charity-donations-plummet-40-in-wake-of-crc-revelations-1.1626936

galah

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

While I think salaries are higher than they should be in charity organisations and NGOs, you have to remember that the work involved (for those on the frontline at least) is highly stressful. Some sectors have a high burn out rate and in some, you are even putting yourself in physical danger just by going into work.

Also, you have to look at it from this perspective; good salaries will attract highly trained individuals, which in turn enhances the service that is being provided to those in need.

yeah, but salaries for frontline staff (the guys that actually provide services, for example for disabled people) are still sh*t. Even for trained individuals.

And the management jobs are no more stressful in a charity than in any other business.

Soft Falling Rain

galah wrote: »

yeah, but salaries for frontline staff (the guys that actually provide services, for example for disabled people) are still sh*t. Even for trained individuals.

And the management jobs are no more stressful in a charity than in any other business.

The only position that I think wouldn't pay great is relief work. Once someone moves on from that position, the salaries improve drastically. That's in my experience anyway.

galah

but that would be the frontline staff, mainly (as it is very hard to get other jobs in that area, as in, permanent non-relief type work with more-than-zero-hour contracts).

But here's hoping ;-)