Easier parking=more shoppers

Capri

UK govt. wants the High St shopper back

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519572/Government-rein-greedy-councils-aggressive-parking-fine-tactics-rake-1-3BILLION-year-motorists.html?ico=home%5Eheadlines


Another 10 years before it happens here :rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster

just what town centres need to make them more pleasant, more cars...

Ace2007

Have you seen women drivers parking - they would spent more time in the car than the shops

Cliona99

Ha! I was going to agree with the title, (Drogheda halves parking fees for Dec., love it). but now I want to throttle the eejit above me...so I'm just gonna go...

shruikan2553

Could always supply more legal methods for people to park instead of going a bit easier on people who park like gob****es.

vicwatson

Ace2007 wrote: »

Have you seen women drivers parking - they would spent more time in the car than the shops

Don't know who's worse, the idiot taking so long to parallel park or the idiot videoing it for 14mins 32 seconds !:(

SureYWouldntYa

Now if only people had more money and shopping was cheaper........

malibu4u

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Could always supply more legal methods for people to park instead of going a bit easier on people who park like gob****es.

yeah, instead of ancient run down empty buildings, they should bulldoze and make more car parks close to existing shops in town centres. Maybe plant a few trees as well. The increased number of car parking spaces + lower car parking charges = win win for the consumer and all business / jobs in the town centres.

NuckingFacker

Capri wrote: »

UK govt. wants the High St shopper back

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519572/Government-rein-greedy-councils-aggressive-parking-fine-tactics-rake-1-3BILLION-year-motorists.html?ico=home%5Eheadlines


Another 10 years before it happens here :rolleyes:

That's because the UK high street is snorked and they're losing their hole on rates and occupancy. They helped nail the lid on the coffin with their parking fees and added hassle. The New plan is for Councils to buy up entire town centers and remodel them as people friendly. Sounds like a plan. A doomed one, but a plan no less.

abbir

vicwatson wrote: »

Don't know who's worse, the idiot taking so long to parallel park or the idiot videoing it for 14mins 32 seconds !:(

The vertical video is really the worst part of the whole thing.

Mint Aero

Anything significant the Uk got or did 10 years ago? Something to look forward to soon like

Meangadh

The cost of parking in Dublin is insane. It's not worth going into town when you could go to somewhere like Dundrum or Blanchardstown to do your shopping. I prefer to go into the city centre but if it means an extra €15 or so in my pocket then I ain't going to waste it.

errlloyd

I don't understand charging for Saturday parking. Should have the same rules as Sundays IMO.

MadsL

Meangadh wrote: »

The cost of parking in Dublin is insane. It's not worth going into town when you could go to somewhere like Dundrum or Blanchardstown to do your shopping. I prefer to go into the city centre but if it means an extra €15 or so in my pocket then I ain't going to waste it.

Out of Town shopping centres should be forced to charge the same rates for parking as city centres. Level the playing field.

shruikan2553

MadsL wrote: »

Out of Town shopping centres should be forced to charge the same rates for parking as city centres. Level the playing field.

Ah yes, the vinters association method of doing things.

They could reduce the prices in the city center, increasing the price for both will just give people more reason to buy online. Shipping would only cost 5-10 euro if its not already included.

hansfrei

'Course people have time and money to waste in city/town centres. Not!

Some people wont be convinced until retail jobs are all disappeared from cities and town centres.

MadsL

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Ah yes, the vinters association method of doing things.

They could reduce the prices in the city center, increasing the price for both will just give people more reason to buy online. Shipping would only cost 5-10 euro if its not already included.

Parking fees in cities go towards the common good - ie the public purse. Lack of parking fees in out of town shopping centres disadvantages everyone.

hansfrei wrote: »

'Course people have time and money to waste in city/town centres. Not!

Some people wont be convinced until retail jobs are all disappeared from cities and town centres.

Out of town shopping centres increase car reliance and makes public transport less viable - again disadvantaging everyone.

shruikan2553

MadsL wrote: »

Parking fees in cities go towards the common good - ie the public purse. Lack of parking fees in out of town shopping centres disadvantages everyone.

And driving everyone to buy online to save money will be bad for local businesses as people don't want to donate to the "common good" just for the honour of browsing shops filled with stuff cheaper on amazon. They should be encouraging people to go into town, not gouging them for money.

hansfrei

MadsL wrote: »

Parking fees in cities go towards the common good - ie the public purse. Lack of parking fees in out of town shopping centres disadvantages everyone.



Out of town shopping centres increase car reliance and makes public transport less viable - again disadvantaging everyone.

Eh no. Reality again is different from how things "should" be. Like when towns lose money on parking charges, like a lot of them are. Oh and services get withdrawn but the people providing those services still get paid. Oh and bus fares that go up as market share goes down.

PS workers couldn't care about viability.

Overheal

MadsL wrote: »

Parking fees in cities go towards the common good - ie the public purse. Lack of parking fees in out of town shopping centres disadvantages everyone.



Out of town shopping centres increase car reliance and makes public transport less viable - again disadvantaging everyone.

All part of free market economic forces. People want to live in less expensive rural areas, etc. and similarly larger, more accessible remote shopping centers can offer inexpensive parking for shoppers who likewise tend to drive rather than walk. The free market sets the price in the shop and the price of parking. Parking centers will charge what they can get. a parking garage is actually a pretty straightforward business model. If you can max out your lot every day for $4X per car why would you charge $2X? You have no incentive to. In fact you'd be inclined to start charging $5X until you reach a stage where you can never max out the lot.

Lando Griffin

Although parking is free all year round in my village it doesent stop the idiots from just abandoning their cars in the middle of the street and doubke parking to run in to the butcher, PO bookies for a few minutes.

The Narrator

MadsL wrote: »

Parking fees in cities go towards the common good - ie the public purse. Lack of parking fees in out of town shopping centres disadvantages everyone.

That may be the case. However, money spent on sites like Amazon means little taxes (and the money goes outside this country).

MadsL

shruikan2553 wrote: »

And driving everyone to buy online to save money will be bad for local businesses as people don't want to donate to the "common good" just for the honour of browsing shops filled with stuff cheaper on amazon. They should be encouraging people to go into town, not gouging them for money.

The Narrator wrote: »

That may be the case. However, money spent on sites like Amazon means little taxes (and the money goes outside this country).

There are plenty of items that will not generally be purchased online.

animaal

MadsL wrote: »

Out of Town shopping centres should be forced to charge the same rates for parking as city centres. Level the playing field.

You may be on to something.

And in case people decide to shop online to avoid all these parking charges, we can introduce an extra "online shopping levy". Level the playing field some more.

But what about people who find something else to do - something other than shopping? Maybe more taxes on home heating. Force them out to the shops.

Yes, there's no problem a good tax/charge won't solve.

Super-Rush

MadsL wrote: »

There are plenty of items that will not generally be purchased online.

Name some.

Cienciano

MadsL wrote: »

Parking fees in cities go towards the common good - ie the public purse. Lack of parking fees in out of town shopping centres disadvantages everyone.



Out of town shopping centres increase car reliance and makes public transport less viable - again disadvantaging everyone.

Take dublin for example. Henry st and Grafton Street areas. Where do you park? Ilac, Stephens green, jervis, brown thomas privately owned multistorey. How is that the common good?

Teyla Emmagan

Super-Rush wrote: »

Name some.

Stuff you need in a hurry. Like tampons. No one thinks 'I will order those now and get them on Thurs, that amazon super saver delivery is great' vs 'I will drive 10 miles to get these right now'.

And a load of stuff you need immediately, like your prescriptions, or fresh meat for the dinner, or a packet of cigarettes, or the paper.

spank_inferno

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Stuff you need in a hurry. Like tampons. No one thinks 'I will order those now and get them on Thurs, that amazon super saver delivery is great' vs 'I will drive 10 miles to get these right now'.

And a load of stuff you need immediately, like your prescriptions, or fresh meat for the dinner, or a packet of cigarettes, or the paper.

Are Irish women surprised by the sudden appearance of menstruation?
I thought that was a forseeable thing?

Most of the above can be purchased online.

seamus

Removing cars from city centres increases footfall because it's easier to get in and get around on foot. Encouraging people to drive into and park in already congested city centre streets drives down business, not up.

Are Irish women surprised by the sudden appearance of menstruation?
I thought that was a forseeable thing?

Most of the above can be purchased online.

It's foreseeable in the same way that most of the time you can say, "I will probably need to **** today, so I should buy some toilet roll because we're out. But sometimes you're touching cloth and you have no option but to go, regardless of whether the facilities are adequate.

Menstruation is the same, except women don't even get to control whether or not it happens.

Teyla Emmagan

spank_inferno wrote: »

Are Irish women surprised by the sudden appearance of menstruation?
I thought that was a forseeable thing?

Most of the above can be purchased online.

Of course they CAN BE, but they seldom are.

markpb

Did any of you read the article at all before going on an almighty rant about how badly irish motorists are treated and how the UK will turn into Gods overnight.

It includes giving drivers a decent 'grace period' of up to five minutes before imposing a ticket

Already happens here. In some places, it's far more than 5 minutes.

stopping CCTV being used for on-street enforcement

Doesn't happen here.

Ministers are also proposing a 25 per cent discount on fines for motorists who pay within seven days of losing an appeal.

Happens here AFAIK.

all councils will be required to make clear in their annual reports exactly how much money is raised from parking ‘and where that revenue goes’.

The first bit is fine, the second bit is utter rubbish. No persom/home/council/company/government sits down and allocates specific income to specific expenses. It all goes into the pot and gets spent.

Super-Rush

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Stuff you need in a hurry. Like tampons. No one thinks 'I will order those now and get them on Thurs, that amazon super saver delivery is great' vs 'I will drive 10 miles to get these right now'.

And a load of stuff you need immediately, like your prescriptions, or fresh meat for the dinner, or a packet of cigarettes, or the paper.

Would you need to drive to the city centre for these items?

Meangadh

seamus wrote: »

Removing cars from city centres increases footfall because it's easier to get in and get around on foot. Encouraging people to drive into and park in already congested city centre streets drives down business, not up.

I don't live in Dublin, but I'd go up to shop there a few times a year. Before I learned to drive, I would have always gone to the city centre as I was using public transport. But now that I drive, I rarely go into town and just head for Dundrum instead- it's not congestion that stops me, it's the cost of parking. It's absolutely scandalously high.

It's kind of irrelevant for me this year though as I plan on shopping locally in my home town- as far as possible anyway- to support local businesses.