Second car, only to be used on race track, does it need tax anyway?

arleitiss

Hey, my friend is thinking of getting a cheap, old, no nct car and use it only on race track, I assume if it has no NCT, friend doesn't have insurance I can just tow it to the track using my car? If so: Does his car still needs tax? (I mean it's kind of on a public road, even if "broken" ?

Is there any work around to this? would car not touching ground (being on a tow truck) count as being on public road anyway?


Thanks.

Drummerboy08

Once its declared off the road and towed using a truck or trailer its ok.

It doesnt need tax for private use on the track.

arleitiss

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Once its declared off the road and towed using a truck or trailer its ok.

It doesnt need tax for private use on the track.

But it cannot be towed using just rope?

YbFocus

Don't tow it using a rope, get a trailer.
Most insurance is void during towing and in fact I think it's illegal now.

arleitiss

YbFocus wrote: »

Don't tow it using a rope, get a trailer.
Most insurance is void during towing and in fact I think it's illegal now.

Alright, thank you.

CiniO

arleitiss wrote: »

But it cannot be towed using just rope?

If you are towing using rope, then you do need tax and NCT and insurance on car being tower.
Use the trailer or towing truck.

CiniO

YbFocus wrote: »

Don't tow it using a rope, get a trailer.
Most insurance is void during towing and in fact I think it's illegal now.

Why would insurance be void?
Never seen anything mentioned in the policy that I can't tow another vehicle with the rope.

SV

CiniO wrote: »

Why would insurance be void?
Never seen anything mentioned in the policy that I can't tow another vehicle with the rope.

Probably because if it's being towed then presumably the engine doesn't work. If the engine doesn't work then the brakes will probably not work properly either. Seeing as it's rope..chances of going into the back of the car towing you are veryyyy high.

YbFocus

CiniO wrote: »

Why would insurance be void?
Never seen anything mentioned in the policy that I can't tow another vehicle with the rope.

I think i heard something in the last 6 months that towing has been outlawed, could be wrong though not sure.
I think it's better, it's a dangerous situation on the road.

corktina

SV wrote: »

Probably because if it's being towed then presumably the engine doesn't work. If the engine doesn't work then the brakes will probably not work properly either. Seeing as it's rope..chances of going into the back of the car towing you are veryyyy high.

brakes will work fine, just have to press harder

arleitiss

What about those little things that attach to rear of car and only lift front/rear of car and two wheels stay on road?

Atlantic Dawn

I'd remove the number plates from it and don't have it on a public road either being towed on its own tyres or being stationary and you will be fine.

Stheno

You also need another class of licence to tow a trailer

CiniO

SV wrote: »

Probably because if it's being towed then presumably the engine doesn't work. If the engine doesn't work then the brakes will probably not work properly either. Seeing as it's rope..chances of going into the back of the car towing you are veryyyy high.

Brakes will loose power-assistance without engine running.
And ABS and ESP might not work.

But they still have their full abilities - just require greater force on the pedal.

YbFocus

arleitiss wrote: »

What about those little things that attach to rear of car and only lift front/rear of car and two wheels stay on road?

No I'd reckon your still towing a car on the public Road with no test or tax. Although an a-frame would be better!

arleitiss

I towed my boss's car before, passed Garda lots and didn't get a single trouble with it.

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

I towed my boss's car before, passed Garda lots and didn't get a single trouble with it.

I've passed Garda cars plenty of times over the speed limit, doesn't mean its not against the law and one of them might decide to pull me one day.

arleitiss

I assume one of these will do the job legally and safe pretty much?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/caraccessories-for-sale/new-car-recovery-a-frame-towing-system/4603652

Btw I didn't know such thing existed.

Stheno

arleitiss wrote: »

I assume one of these will do the job legally and safe pretty much?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/caraccessories-for-sale/new-car-recovery-a-frame-towing-system/4603652

Btw I didn't know such thing existed.

Yes but the car being towed will still need tax etc

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

I assume one of these will do the job legally and safe pretty much?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/caraccessories-for-sale/new-car-recovery-a-frame-towing-system/4603652

Btw I didn't know such thing existed.

As far as towing is concerned, yes. But not from the pov of needing tax, nct and insurance.

arleitiss

Why would it need NCT and Insurance?

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

Why would it need NCT and Insurance?

its on a public road. Why not ask the same about tax?

arleitiss

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

its on a public road. Why not ask the same about tax?

Tax - gives car permission to be on road.
NCT - makes sure you are safe to drive it and wont crash.
Insurance - pays off mayhem you cause.

Since car is towed, it would only make sense that Tax is needed.

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

Tax - gives car permission to be on road.
NCT - makes sure you are safe to drive it and wont crash.
Insurance - pays off mayhem you cause.

Since car is towed, it would only make sense that Tax is needed.

NCT- makes sure you are safe to drive and wont crash - and is required for the car to be on the road.

Insurance - pays off mayhem you cause - and is required to be on the road.

Does your insurance cover you to tow cars? Does it cover any damage the car being towed causes? what if you cut a corner by accident and run over a pedestrian with the car your towing?

The car is being towed on the road, that's not the same as lifting on to a low loader.

corktina

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Does your insurance cover you to tow cars? Does it cover any damage the car being towed causes? what if you cut a corner by accident and run over a pedestrian with the car your towing?

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indeed or if the towrope breaks.

colm_mcm

I thought A frames are illegal now?

Henry Ford III

If the vehicle is being trailered to/from a racetrack it doesn't necessarily need tax/NCT/insurance. The track owners may insist on some/all of them however.

swarlb

CiniO wrote: »

Brakes will loose power-assistance without engine running.
And ABS and ESP might not work.

But they still have their full abilities - just require greater force on the pedal.

You're assuming the car has any of the above, if its old (as the op states) it may even have no servo, in which case the brakes will work fine (assuming they work in the first place)
Personally, towing a car to a track is all very well and good. Providing the car survives the track day is another issue. A trailer is always the better option.

mickdw

corktina wrote: »

brakes will work fine, just have to press harder

Yes the brakes will in theory work but from experience, it's difficult to stop even a slow moving car without servo. I don't think your would have a hope of pulling up if the towing car had to brake in any way heavily.
I've had failed brake servo and tbh I had trouble stopping the car at slow speed in a housing estate as I can up behind another car.

Gary ITR

arleitiss wrote: »

I towed my boss's car before, passed Garda lots and didn't get a single trouble with it.

Tow truck or trailer. Nothing else will suffice. Also a word to the wise, if it's just some heap of ****e chances are it won't be let on track. There's a common misconception that it's a good idea to bring worn out and tired cars to the track, they don't last passing time though

arleitiss

Gary ITR wrote: »

Tow truck or trailer. Nothing else will suffice. Also a word to the wise, if it's just some heap of ****e chances are it won't be let on track. There's a common misconception that it's a good idea to bring worn out and tired cars to the track, they don't last passing time though

Well, the specific cars in question are E36 and E46 (not my one), but the other one.

What license is required for a towing?

challengemaster

http://www.ndls.ie/en/Driving-Licence/driving-licence-categories.html

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/Technical-Trailer-Requirements-/


That's all you should need to answer any questions. In your case, most likely EB license. You will have to go through the process of applying for the theory test, passing the theory test, getting an eyesight report, apply for new learner permit, then wait 6 months until you can sit a driving test.

amandaf675

Ropes/ aframes etc are illegal

You need a trailor or truck with appropriate licence and as far as im aware you need a 4x4 now tp tow a trailer by law

arleitiss

challengemaster wrote: »

http://www.ndls.ie/en/Driving-Licence/driving-licence-categories.html

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Trailers-/Technical-Trailer-Requirements-/


That's all you should need to answer any questions. In your case, most likely EB license. You will have to go through the process of applying for the theory test, passing the theory test, getting an eyesight report, apply for new learner permit, then wait 6 months until you can sit a driving test.

Guess that's something to do for me during my 9 month holiday

Does it require that you take lessons too? like EDT?

Henry Ford III

Which race track(s) are you planning on using as a matter of interest?

arleitiss

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Which race track(s) are you planning on using as a matter of interest?

not me, my friend wants to go mondello, he was there as a guest before and he loved it, he wants to get into all that stuff.

CiniO

amandaf675 wrote: »

Ropes/ aframes etc are illegal

Source?

You need a trailor or truck with appropriate licence and as far as im aware you need a 4x4 now tp tow a trailer by law

That's not correct.
There never was, and probably never will be a need for 4x4 to tow a trailer.

Henry Ford III

arleitiss wrote: »

not me, my friend wants to go mondello, he was there as a guest before and he loved it, he wants to get into all that stuff.

It's an expensive hobby. A fun one but expensive.

arleitiss

Henry Ford III wrote: »

It's an expensive hobby. A fun one but expensive.

I know, that's why I am not going into it, just spent fortune on getting new engine for my car, I would never use my e46 on track just to **** up the engine.

dsgking

CiniO wrote: »

Source?


That's not correct.
There never was, and probably never will be a need for 4x4 to tow a trailer.

my vw caddy has a train weight of 3700kg which as I understand has a max weight of van, trailer and whatever is on the trailer weighing 3700kg or less

most cars/vans/jeeps have this stamp on the piller of the drivers door

corktina

CiniO wrote: »

Source?


That's not correct.
There never was, and probably never will be a need for 4x4 to tow a trailer.

I'd like to see a source for this. As far as I'm aware , you can use them in emergencies to clear the road

I don't think it's been specified that you need a 4x4 , just restrictions on the weights I think

Gary ITR

arleitiss wrote: »

Well, the specific cars in question are E36 and E46 (not my one), but the other one.

That's ok, but like I said, if it's just some dirtbox that's too tired for the road it probably won't be allowed out.

I've seen it before, lads turning up in heaps they bought for next nothing and being black flagged