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Kubiak Fired as hea coach of Texans

  • 06-12-2013 8:51pm
    #1
    Jolly Red Giant
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    Been on the cards for some time and would probably have happened sooner if it weren't for the mini-stroke he suffered a few weeks ago - I felt that Gary should have gone at the end of last season -it had all the feel of he had taken them as far as he could.

    I have the utmost respect for Gary Kubiak as a player and a coach. In my opinion he has done a terrific job in Houston despite just not quite managing to get them to the big game.

    Would love to see him back in Denver at some point (OC would be great next season).

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24366589/texans-coach-gary-kubiak-has-been-fired


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  • #2
    Paully D
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    Seems to be a very decent man, highly regarded by virtually everyone, and he cared a lot about not only the team but also the city being Houston born himself so he will be a big loss for them in that respect.

    That said, I don't think he's done a terrific job.

    He leaves with a 61-64 overall record and seasons of 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, 9-7, 6-10, 10-6, 12-4 and 2-10 with two playoff appearances for a 2-2 playoff record. Nothing spectacular there IMO.

    I always regarded those Texans teams of 2011 and 2012, that got a lot of praise, as flat track bullies. They were good enough to pick on the weaker teams, but I never thought they could beat the real cream of the crop when it came down to it. Over that two year period the only games that they won that made me really stand up and take note was away to Denver when Manning was finding his feet, and a demolition of the Ravens.

    I might be being a bit harsh but I just feel he didn't achieve anything an average head coach wouldn't by coaching 3 losing seasons, 2 .500 seasons and a couple of playoff wins in an 8 year period.

    The true test of his capabilities for me will be if he gets another head coaching job.


  • #3
    Red Crow
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    Texans job will be hot property. Looking like they have the no 1 draft pick too.


  • #4
    Jolly Red Giant
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    Paully D wrote: »

    I might be being a bit harsh but I just feel he didn't achieve anything an average head coach wouldn't by coaching 3 losing seasons, 2 .500 seasons and a couple of playoff wins in an 8 year period.
    I think you are - he had to start from scratch in Houston and went about the job in the right way. The Texans had a chance to go all the way in recent years but didn't quite make it. As I said above - I think he should have left last season as the Texans kind of fizzled out in the end and there was a clear vibe that he was on a downward slope - although the slope was a lot steeper than could have been expected.
    Paully D wrote: »
    The true test of his capabilities for me will be if he gets another head coaching job.
    I think Kubiak will get offers - however there is a question mark over whether he would take them. He had numerous offers while he coached in Denver and turned them all down until the job in his home town came up. He made it clear then that the only job he would leave Denver for was Houston. I would love to see him back at the Broncos - he is an outstanding OC - although it would likely only happen if Gase was offered a HC job (very unlikely) or JDR took a HC job and Gase went with him. I wouldn't be surprised if Elway gave him a call when Fox leaves.
    Red Crow wrote: »
    Texans job will be hot property. Looking like they have the no 1 draft pick too.
    I agree - just like the Chiefs last year - the Texans are not a 2-11 (that could end as a 2-14) team. I expect whoever gets the job will get a bounce as soon as they start (and my guess is that they go after Jack Del Rio).


  • #5
    Itssoeasy
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    Not suprised really after Thursday nights performance as they made the jags looks a decent team. I mean some of the penalties that the texans got were ill discipline of the highest order. Most penalties for one team since 2001.


  • #6
    poldebruin
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    Jolly Red Giant wrote: »
    I agree - just like the Chiefs last year - the Texans are not a 2-11 (that could end as a 2-14) team. I expect whoever gets the job will get a bounce as soon as they start (and my guess is that they go after Jack Del Rio).

    Article on SI outlining some of the Texans issues.
    http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/06/texans-problems-deeper-gary-kubiak-fired/

    I disagree with the points made in the article though, and think the Texans will do well again with a new coach and (possibly) a new QB. They have prior for bucking the trend with the #1 overall when they took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush/Vince Young and they may go for Clowney, or trade down for a couple of high picks if they find a QB-needy team looking to grab Bridgewater (Cleveland/St Louis both have 2 first round picks) - possibly grab Clowney and Manziel - if he falls)

    They lost a lot of close games this year, along with Schaub throwing 4 consecutive pick-sixes put them in a hole, and it now looks like they have given up on the season. I think a fairer indicator of their level is the way they played the Patriots the week before. That did not look like a 2-11 team.

    I would like to see Lovie Smith get another chance, although the trend recently seems to be to give younger candidates a shot. Kubiak will get a shot as OC somewhere, if he wants to take it.


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  • #7
    Jolly Red Giant
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    I think the main problem with the Texans goes back to the point Paully made about 'flat track bullies' - I don't agree with the point but understand where it is coming from. The Texans were built to go out early and then defend a lead. The problem arose it they went behind and had to rally. Kubiak continued to use the zone-blocking system from the days of Denver winning the SB. It is effective until the Texans are behind needing to pass and the small athletic OL has to block pass rushers who are pinning their ears back and coming after the QB. Furthermore the zone-blocking system with small linemen tends to be ineffective in the red zone. The Texans could deal with most teams but struggled when they came up against a good team that had built up a lead and could attack the OL.

    I think Lovie Smith and Jack Del Rio are the two top candidates - with Smith in the driving seat as JDR is in Denver until the Broncos season is done. I also think Kubiak takes a year out and makes sure he gets his health sorted and re-charges his batteries. I would expect an OC job to be available without difficulty but he will have to change his mindset about the zone-blocking running game and adapt better to today's NFL defences.


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