sold heifer to butcher does this sound right?

briangriffin

Sold 2 limousin x friesian heifers in the mart weiged 270 kgs and made 550 euros.

had a third to sell but she hurt her leg on the tank when loading her so couldnt take her to the mart. Turned out the leg was bad possibly broken vet said to get rid of her,

so we decided to take her to the factory while she was still walking ok on it . Local farmer said wed do better at a butcher he knew, so sent her off to the butcher to get killed. She weighed 280 kgs.

Got a cheque from the butcher for 150 euros said thats what she made when his fee for killing her was taken out of it.
She was a young heifer 14 months old fleshy enough,

Just wondering do you think €150 this sounds right??????

Muckit

I don't follow you. Did you keep the meat or did he? If he was keeping it, why would he be charging you for killing her?

Doesn't seem a lot either way but what option had you and sure how much meat would there realistically be on an animal that size?

It might not be alot but at least it's +150 and not -.

bbam

I agree its better than a total right off...

But it sounds small money considering the butcher had the meat to sell??

blue5000

Had one similar to this a couple of yrs back. Butcher charged me 100 yoyo and I put her in the freezer, I'd say there was about 120-150 kg of meat.

bob charles

briangriffin wrote: »

Sold 2 limousin x friesian heifers in the mart weiged 270 kgs and made 550 euros.

had a third to sell but she hurt her leg on the tank when loading her so couldnt take her to the mart. Turned out the leg was bad possibly broken vet said to get rid of her,

so we decided to take her to the factory while she was still walking ok on it . Local farmer said wed do better at a butcher he knew, so sent her off to the butcher to get killed. She weighed 280 kgs.

Got a cheque from the butcher for 150 euros said thats what she made when his fee for killing her was taken out of it.
She was a young heifer 14 months old fleshy enough,

Just wondering do you think €150 this sounds right??????

No it doesnt sound right but I wouldnt be surprised with that profession. Not to name names but what county was she killed in and someone might have some local information. Not much you can do now but mark his card. If she is as right as you said and say 10kgs of meat rejected he still would have had 120kgs of meat min before cutting up

briangriffin

Yeah muckit he kept the meat that, so I was wondering why is he charging me for killing her if I'd sent her to the factory like I was planning at least I'd expect fair play.
Bob Had her killed on the Carlow Laois border with a butcher, like I said never happened to me before but il certainly be a bit more careful in future.

I appreciate that at least it wasn't a total right off but at the same time nobody likes to get screwed even if it is only a few quid- live and learn I guess

Capercaille

If the leg was broken and with a lot of bruising the leg(quarter) might have been skipped.

briangriffin

Hadnt thought of that capercaille maybe im doing him an injustice but it seems to me charging me €200 for killing and bagging an animal when im not keeping the meat was a bit excessive - or maybe thats the norm in this type of situation im just not sure???

dzer2

briangriffin wrote: »

Hadnt thought of that capercaille maybe im doing him an injustice but it seems to me charging me €200 for killing and bagging an animal when im not keeping the meat was a bit excessive - or maybe thats the norm in this type of situation im just not sure???

Not to far from you when ever that happens here we normally butcher for our freezer and the bill is 180 euro. So the butcher is saying he only made 350 euro approx on 100kgs of meat not very likely.

Muckit

Why didn't you keep the meat yourself? You,d have got better value

J.O. Farmer

I seems a poor price. The thing I would question is his fee for killing her. If you go to the factory there is IFA levies and the like but no fee for killing. That would be like any other businesses buying a raw material and deducting manufacturing costs from the suppliers bill.
He purchased the animal in this case based on dead weight. Fair enough 1 quater may have had to be skipped but 3/4 remained. You can maybe say if she wasn't finished that the meat was maybe more suited to mince than steak and that would reduce the value.
The only thing I can think of is the killing fee related to the added cost of disposing of the damaged 1/4 but even that may have had salvage value for dog food or something.

massey woman

What margin does a butcher typically make out of a standard 450kg carcase assuming he buys and kills himself

J.O. Farmer

massey woman wrote: »

What margin does a butcher typically make out of a standard 450kg carcase assuming he buys and kills himself

Are you saying that the butcher has a margin per head he has to make and if the carcass isn't good enough he's going to dock his profit from the seller.

rule supreme

No your right it doesnt sound right . You should not be getting charged for killing the animal when your not keeping the meat , you should go back and ask him why you were charged for the killing , maybe he will give you a genuine reason .

massey woman

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Are you saying that the butcher has a margin per head he has to make and if the carcass isn't good enough he's going to dock his profit from the seller.

No, not at all the question Im posing is how much does the butcher typically make from a 450kg healthy animal

J.O. Farmer

massey woman wrote: »

No, not at all the question Im posing is how much does the butcher typically make from a 450kg healthy animal

Fair enough. That's the thing about the typed word it can be tricky to fully understand the context.

Sharpshooter82

You could say that at least your up money but its a bit of an insult IMO. Even the money side of things for him to charge ya for killing the animal when he was getting the meat. Id tell him that you want the meat since you paid for the killing.

newholland mad

briangriffin wrote: »

Yeah muckit he kept the meat that, so I was wondering why is he charging me for killing her if I'd sent her to the factory like I was planning at least I'd expect fair play.
Bob Had her killed on the Carlow Laois border with a butcher, like I said never happened to me before but il certainly be a bit more careful in future.

I appreciate that at least it wasn't a total right off but at the same time nobody likes to get screwed even if it is only a few quid- live and learn I guess

Know exactly where your talking about, very common occurrence with this gent.
Few years ago he done us with a finished bullock with a dislocated hip, we were assured not to bother with bone setters that he would give full price without the fuss of the larger meat factories, also much shorter spin. Cant remember exact figures but got rightly done and he got very abusive when challenged afterwards. Since I've heard loads of similar cases

studdlymurphy

Tell him you want the meat or you are going to court, he wont want to go to court as it would get out that he bought an injured animal which may not be the best for business.

bob charles

studdlymurphy wrote: »

Tell him you want the meat or you are going to court, he wont want to go to court as it would get out that he bought an injured animal which may not be the best for business.

its his word vs yours, so you have nowhere to go only to talk to him. Sounds like he is a chancer but that wouldnt surprise me in that line of trade

moy83

You should have told him that you would keep the meat if it was only worth 150 and pay him that

uck51js9zml2yt

Not a farmer but have a question.
If the animal goes to the factory I assume the dept. Vet checks its for fitness to be consumed. If it goes to a butcher no such checks are done.
So how can the consumer be safeguarded against shady farmers getting rid of dodgy animals.


Note: not implying anything in ops case..just a thought as I read the thread.

J.O. Farmer

I believe that a vet does have to check in the butchers before meat can be passed fit for human consumption.

bob charles

Meilani Famous Sluggishness wrote: »

Not a farmer but have a question.
If the animal goes to the factory I assume the dept. Vet checks its for fitness to be consumed. If it goes to a butcher no such checks are done.
So how can the consumer be safeguarded against shady farmers getting rid of dodgy animals.


Note: not implying anything in ops case..just a thought as I read the thread.

for an animals number to be removed from the identification database a vet would have to pass the meat as fit. also there are very few slaughter houses with a licence to kill nowadays. Maybe only 50 in the country, even less

manjou

`Heifer done same a few years ago and sent to local butcher and when went for cheque he told me one quarter had to be skiped.He paid me agreed amount for rest of animal and did not charge me for anything.Only way he could charge you is if vet comdemed carcase when he inspected it and he had to skip it and it cost him to dispose of it.

studdlymurphy

bob charles wrote: »

its his word vs yours, so you have nowhere to go only to talk to him. Sounds like he is a chancer but that wouldnt surprise me in that line of trade

So what about the ear tags that's a line to trace it?

jomoloney

Meilani Famous Sluggishness wrote: »

Not a farmer but have a question.
If the animal goes to the factory I assume the dept. Vet checks its for fitness to be consumed. If it goes to a butcher no such checks are done.
So how can the consumer be safeguarded against shady farmers getting rid of dodgy animals.


Note: not implying anything in ops case..just a thought as I read the thread.

as bob said very few butchers actually killing,

abbatoirs who be much the same as factories, with a vet calling to inspect before and after slaughter,

also the farmer signs a declaration that the animal is free from remedies etc

Butcher Boy

massey woman wrote: »

What margin does a butcher typically make out of a standard 450kg carcase assuming he buys and kills himself

Not a lot .;)

briangriffin

Thanks for the responses lads it great to have a facility like this that offers advice fair play to ye.
Im afraid didnt keep the meat as i thought id be getting a better deal and have no place to store it - like i said never happened before that i sent an animal to a butcher like this and i was a little naive in believing id be looked after, the butcher in question is not very cooperative and as yet im still waiting on the cheque a month later -

Lesson learned I guess and all id advise anyone is to learn from my mistake should ye ever find yourselves in a similar position!

Sharpshooter82

briangriffin wrote: »

Thanks for the responses lads it great to have a facility like this that offers advice fair play to ye.
Im afraid didnt keep the meat as i thought id be getting a better deal and have no place to store it - like i said never happened before that i sent an animal to a butcher like this and i was a little naive in believing id be looked after, the butcher in question is not very cooperative and as yet im still waiting on the cheque a month later -

Lesson learned I guess and all id advise anyone is to learn from my mistake should ye ever find yourselves in a similar position!

id pass on the story to anyone thinking of selling animals to the man in question

Farmer Pudsey

I be having a chat with the other local farmer maybe he can put pressure on Butcher. At 270kgs she would only kill out about 130kgs I would imagine. As the carcase would be small and cuts/steaks small she would have a smaller value than normal. Even at a factory you might be lucky to get 150 euro got caught at a factory with that before.

However butcher wrong to charge for slaughter fees he should have advised you of all that before hand, However when killing at a butcher you should always insist on seeing animal weighted.

In my opinion a fair value would be about 2.5/kg for a carcase like that, Assuming she killed 130kg she would be valued about 330 euro. She have been worth more in a freezer to you however with a butcher like that I would not want her in my freezer as he might not hang her.

As Jack Charlton would do put his name in your Black Book advise other to keep away from him