Flags flying at half mast today in honour of Mr Mandela

donutheadhomer

Must be a tough decision for state officials to make to decide when to fly flags at half mast over state buildings.

Will they be half masted for Bono/Bob Geldof/Queen Elizabeth Windsor?

No slight on Mr Mandela here at all but just wondering on how they make these decisions and how the process works. I remember some fuss about Bobby Sands and state flags years ago too or was it Charlie Haughey........

vicwatson

I say No (where's the poll eh)

Muise...

flag needs poll

murpho999

Maybe his Freedom of Dublin award entitles him to it.

Flying the Flags at half mast is really for tragedy. THis is not a tragedy, should be a celebration of his life, fly the flags full mast to show your proud.

donutheadhomer

murpho999 wrote: »

Maybe his Freedom of Dublin award entitles him to it.

did we give that to the queen too? certainly bono and geldof

donutheadhomer

pole inserted

gobnaitolunacy

Deleted User wrote: »

Flying the Flags at half mast is really for tragedy. THis is not a tragedy, should be a celebration of his life, fly the flags full mast to show your proud.

It is the custom to fly flags at half mast for a death, whether they 'passed on peacefully' or died roaring it doesn't matter.



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The flag of Ireland is frequently flown at half-mast on the death of a national or international figure (i.e. former and current Presidents or Taoiseach) on all prominent government buildings equipped with a flag pole. The death of a prominent local figure can also be marked locally by the flag being flown at half-mast. When the national flag is flown at half-mast, no other flag should be half-masted.

Holsten

No, why?

Sunnyisland

Suppose so.


Did it fly at half mast for Maggie thatcher ?

I am just asking...

donutheadhomer

realies wrote: »

Suppose so.


Did it fly at half mast for Maggie thatcher ?

I am just asking...

suppose not really

Stinicker

I don't get the popularity of Nelson Mandela, his party and ideaology have been responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people in South Africa and the systematic abuse of the European ethnic Minority. ANC has also destroyed the great nation of South Africa and transformed it into another african tinpot Dictatorship like Zimbabwe. White Europeans are forced to live in gated communities and many hundreds of thousands have left the country.

Nelson Mandela was lauded by those on the left and now after his death we will see how the local native majority treats the ethnic minority.

I guess when it is White people that are the victim of racism and discrimination then no-one cares and that is some-how okay. People should see what is happening in South Africa today before hailing Mandela.

donutheadhomer

Stinicker wrote: »

I don't get the popularity of Nelson Mandela, his party and ideaology have been responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people in South Africa and the systematic abuse of the European ethnic Minority. ANC has also destroyed the great nation of South Africa and transformed it into another african tinpot Dictatorship like Zimbabwe. White Europeans are forced to live in gated communities and many hundreds of thousands have left the country.

Nelson Mandela was lauded by those on the left and now after his death we will see how the local native majority treats the ethnic minority.

I guess when it is White people that are the victim of racism and discrimination then no-one cares and that is some-how okay. People should see what is happening in South Africa today before hailing Mandela.

is that a yes or no then?

Nodin

Stinicker wrote: »

I don't get the (.........) Mandela.

Stop reading racist bollocks. It will help you enormously.

road_high

What about Belfast's fleg?

donutheadhomer

road_high wrote: »

What about Belfast's fleg?

this thread is about the irish state. make your own thread

MonstaMash

Stinicker wrote: »

I don't get the popularity of Nelson Mandela, his party and ideaology have been responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people in South Africa and the systematic abuse of the European ethnic Minority. ANC has also destroyed the great nation of South Africa and transformed it into another african tinpot Dictatorship like Zimbabwe. White Europeans are forced to live in gated communities and many hundreds of thousands have left the country.

Nelson Mandela was lauded by those on the left and now after his death we will see how the local native majority treats the ethnic minority.

I guess when it is White people that are the victim of racism and discrimination then no-one cares and that is some-how okay. People should see what is happening in South Africa today before hailing Mandela.

"To each & every action, there is an equal & opposite reaction"

For some, unfortunately, the memory of apartheid is still & always will be an open, unhealed wound.

MadsL

Drives me crazy in the States, the fecking flag is never at full mast with the amount of people there is always some tragedy.

Personally I think flags should be flown at half-mast on the death of a Head of State. End of.

MadsL

Nelson?

Perhaps we need to stick the column back together first

UCDVet

I don't want to sound insensitive, but when you die at the age of 95....that's not a tragedy. That's like stopping at the end of a marathon, you finished the race. Congratulations.

COYW

I really don't get all the fuss over him. South Africa under the ANC has become a cesspit, where minorities have to live in fortresses. People seem to have this wonderful idealistic view of the man. I just don't get it.

Nodin

COYW wrote: »

I really don't get all the fuss over him. South Africa under the ANC has become a cesspit, where minorities have to live in fortresses. People seem to have this wonderful idealistic view of the man. I just don't get it.

Yes, it was such a paradise beforehand. If you stood still for a few seconds, birds would alight on your shoulders, and deer gaily frolic about you.

FTA69

Stinicker wrote: »

I don't get the popularity of Nelson Mandela, his party and ideaology have been responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people in South Africa and the systematic abuse of the European ethnic Minority. ANC has also destroyed the great nation of South Africa and transformed it into another african tinpot Dictatorship like Zimbabwe. White Europeans are forced to live in gated communities and many hundreds of thousands have left the country.

Nelson Mandela was lauded by those on the left and now after his death we will see how the local native majority treats the ethnic minority.

I guess when it is White people that are the victim of racism and discrimination then no-one cares and that is some-how okay. People should see what is happening in South Africa today before hailing Mandela.

Lulz.

Nodin

FTA69 wrote: »

Lulz.

I think he sums up his views better here.....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85228420&postcount=65

clairefontaine

MadsL wrote: »

Nelson?

Perhaps we need to stick the column back together first

I can't take this seriously from either Ireland or the US. Ireland has not written in anti Slavery laws into its legislation nor has it exactly helped free the remaining magdalene laundry inmates, nor as the US removed its caveat for slavery inside its prisons.

They both make me want to vomit.

donutheadhomer

clairefontaine wrote: »

I can't take this seriously from either Ireland or the US. Ireland has not written in anti Slavery laws into its legislation nor has it exactly helped free the remaining magdalene laundry inmates, nor as the US removed its caveat for slavery inside its prisons.

They both make me want to vomit.

Yes or no to the half mast

K-9

COYW wrote: »

I really don't get all the fuss over him. South Africa under the ANC has become a cesspit, where minorities have to live in fortresses. People seem to have this wonderful idealistic view of the man. I just don't get it.

Surely that's more to do with the Governments for the last decade or so, and not Mandela.

AerynSun

COYW wrote: »

... where minorities have to live in fortresses. People seem to have this wonderful idealistic view of the man. I just don't get it.

Erm, the way you use the word 'minorities' makes it sounds like white people are disadvantaged, which they are NOT. White people have plenty of resources, so even though they are numerically fewer than their counterparts of other colours (who on the whole have fewer resources and opportunities available to them than white people ever had in South Africa!), it's a convenient device to use the word 'minorities'.

The 'idealistic' view that some of us have, is awe that someone could chose the path of forgiveness and reconciliation when many of us, if we had been in his shoes, would have chosen vengeance as our best response. He was a great man. I hope someday everyone will 'get' that.

COYW

AerynSun wrote: »

Erm, the way you use the word 'minorities' makes it sounds like white people are disadvantaged, which they are NOT. White people have plenty of resources, so even though they are numerically fewer than their counterparts of other colours (who on the whole have fewer resources and opportunities available to them than white people ever had in South Africa!), it's a convenient device to use the word 'minorities'.

You clearly don't understand what the term minority means. It has nothing to do with the volume of resources or wealth; factors which I was not referring to in my post. I was simply pointing out that minorities in South Africa have to live in virtual fortresses since the ANC took control there, which I think you will find is correct.

AerynSun wrote: »

The 'idealistic' view that some of us have, is awe that someone could chose the path of forgiveness and reconciliation when many of us, if we had been in his shoes, would have chosen vengeance as our best response. He was a great man. I hope someday everyone will 'get' that.

What, choosing to follow the path of democracy over violence and terrorism? What a champion!!

Nodin

COYW wrote: »

What, choosing to follow the path of democracy over violence and terrorism? What a champion!!

You seem to be rather ill-informed. South Africa was not a democracy, and the vast majority of the population were disenfranchised by a racist system.

Santa Cruz

Just to act the bXXX. Half mast is wrong.
Protocol rules that the flag should be about one third of the way down the pole.

MadsL

COYW wrote: »

I really don't get all the fuss over him. South Africa under the ANC has become a cesspit, where minorities have to live in fortresses. People seem to have this wonderful idealistic view of the man. I just don't get it.

Oh, when were you last there? It is certainly NOT a cesspit, it is wonderful and beautiful country and friendly too.

Jo'Burg is not a place I would linger, but I have walked down Long Street, Cape Town at midnight and gone for a drink and have been the only white face in the place. Not a bother.

COYW

MadsL wrote: »

Jo'Burg is not a place I would linger, but I have walked down Long Street, Cape Town at midnight and gone for a drink and have been the only white face in the place. Not a bother.

Long Street in Cape Town is crammed with police. I'm guessing that you didn't venture outside the immediate city centre given your idealistic view of the place.

dark crystal

MadsL wrote: »

Drives me crazy in the States, the fecking flag is never at full mast with the amount of people there is always some tragedy.

Personally I think flags should be flown at half-mast on the death of a Head of State. End of.

Why would this drive anyone crazy?

Seriously, it's just a token mark of respect that doesn't affect anyone else's day to day life. Get over it.

Can't believe people seriously have an issue with how far up or down a flag is situated on a pole!