Northsider or from North Dublin

BizzyC

Need help settling an argument, this seems like the place to attract the right crowd to answer.

So the question here is does the term "Northsider" apply to everyone in county Dublin north of the liffey, or only people in the City that are North of the liffey?

For example, are people from CastleKnock and further west northsiders even though they're outside the city?

martinn123

BizzyC wrote: »

Need help settling an argument, this seems like the place to attract the right crowd to answer.

So the question here is does the term "Northsider" apply to everyone in county Dublin north of the liffey, or only people in the City that are North of the liffey?

For example, are people from CastleKnock and further west northsiders even though they're outside the city?

Back in the Day, Northsiders lived between the Liffey and Santry, which was the edge of civilisation.
Swords was a country village, Rush and Skerries were where you went for your holidays.

The Hill Billy

In the context of being originally from Stonybatter I could say that I am a Northsider, but having lived most of my life in Skerries I would more consider myself to be a Fingallian now.

My own personal take on this is that a Northsider is someone living in Dublin City to the north of the Liffey.

As for people from Castleknock - you should ask in the Dublin City or Dublin West forums. Really, you would get the best responses to your questions in the Dublin City forum. (PM me if you want this thread moved.)

Dizzyblonde

I wouldn't think of us out here in the North county as Northsiders. I'm originally from Donnycarney and was a Northsider then all right.
It's my understanding that Northsiders live within the city limits whereas we're in the county.

Khannie

I'd consider myself a northsider alright.

SpatialPlanner

The Hill Billy wrote: »

In the context of being originally from Stonybatter I could say that I am a Northsider, but having lived most of my life in Skerries I would more consider myself to be a Fingallian now.

My own personal take on this is that a Northsider is someone living in Dublin City to the north of the Liffey.

As for people from Castleknock - you should ask in the Dublin City or Dublin West forums. Really, you would get the best responses to your questions in the Dublin City forum. (PM me if you want this thread moved.)

That's really interesting because (here's the history bit) when the Norman invasion of Ireland took place, neither the Irish or the Vikings were able to withstand the military force of the invaders. The initial Norman invasion happened in the south east of the country but when they came to Dublin, where they later fortified Dublin (castle area) with a massive wall, which was what Normans did when they successfully invaded anywhere, they drove the Vikings into what was called Oxmanstown, which is approximately the Stoneybatter/Cabra area of Dublin. It could be said that this action created the first Dublin "Northsider." True story!

Secondly, just as an aside (another history bit). The name "Fingal" is said to come from the phrase "Fair Stranger" (or something similar) which was used to describe the Nordic looking Viking invaders who arrived on the east coast in towns like Rush, Loughshinny and Skerries, to name but a few.

So it would seem the Vikings were the first Dublin "Northsider" but prior to that the Vikings were the first "Fingallians" and that is where the local authority area of Fingal gets the name.

#justsayin'

Ooh and my point!!! That there is a distinction between being a Northsider and a Fingallian. So The Hill Billy your geographical terminology is correct.

CorsendonkX

I know people who grew up in Fingal still considered "blow ins" by older residents of Fingal because their parents came from the country or the city. Once your family serves 3-4 generations of residency you can claim citizenship.:pac:

Incidentally studies have shown that single women from Fingal that went to work in Dublin(back then they didn't have the wages to commute daily from Rush, Lusk etc) lived around the main transport routes on the Northside. Same pattern is seen all over the city were you have pockets of people from the same county. Many of the Fingal Maidens married and settled with their families on the Northside, a good proportion of Northsiders today are descended from Fingal natives.

I don't know about the theory about the Vikings being the first Northsiders, the local Irish would surely claim that.

SpatialPlanner

CorsendonkX wrote: »

I don't know about the theory about the Vikings being the first Northsiders, the local Irish would surely claim that.

Ah but it must be remembered that the vikings established Dublin as a port/city (large town) so they were the first "Dubliners" to be established (or Dyflinn-ers as they would have been at the time).

Most of the native Irish (not all but most) would have established themselves around monasteries at the time for trading purposes.

Take Lusk for example. If you look at that from a Google Earth perspective you can see how the village developed out in a radiated fashion from the Round Tower which would have housed monks at the time. For example, monks made beer, cheese and bread so they needed barley, milk and wheat. They were fortified so couldn't have swathes of land and an open compound. It is reasonable to theorise that people/native Irish would settle around the monastery for trading purposes. Probably bartering and exchanging goods. The natives growing the produce and the monks making the beer, cheese and bread etc from the produce.

So to say the ousted vikings from Dublin Castle (which incidentally is on the southside) were the first Northsiders sounds plausible enough to me. Banished to the northside so they were!!!

I haven't done extensive research on it, just a bit for a college assignment on a separate topic many moons ago now. I'm sure there are more learned historians out there that might be able to explain it a bit better than I have or even denounce me as a charlatan.

CorsendonkX

SpatialPlanner wrote: »

Ah but it must be remembered that the vikings established Dublin as a port/city (large town) so they were the first "Dubliners" to be established (or Dyflinn-ers as they would have been at the time).

Most of the native Irish (not all but most) would have established themselves around monasteries at the time for trading purposes.

Take Lusk for example. If you look at that from a Google Earth perspective you can see how the village developed out in a radiated fashion from the Round Tower which would have housed monks at the time. For example, monks made beer, cheese and bread so they needed barley, milk and wheat. They were fortified so couldn't have swathes of land and an open compound. It is reasonable to theorise that people/native Irish would settle around the monastery for trading purposes. Probably bartering and exchanging goods. The natives growing the produce and the monks making the beer, cheese and bread etc from the produce.

So to say the ousted vikings from Dublin Castle (which incidentally is on the southside) were the first Northsiders sounds plausible enough to me. Banished to the northside so they were!!!

I haven't done extensive research on it, just a bit for a college assignment on a separate topic many moons ago now. I'm sure there are more learned historians out there that might be able to explain it a bit better than I have or even denounce me as a charlatan.

Perhaps we could start a separate thread on the First Fingallians? Your insights could make a very useful contribution as well as your understanding of the early Celtic Church Monastic Life in Lusk. Or perhaps a post or two in the History of Rush thread?

martinn123

While not wishing to disparrage the excellent research, apprearing here

If you can name 3 fruit named beginning with D

You are from the Northside

1Dapples
2Doranges
3Donions

Simples

SpatialPlanner

martinn123 wrote: »

While not wishing to disparrage the excellent research, apprearing here

If you can name 3 fruit named beginning with D

You are from the Northside

1Dapples
2Doranges
3Donions

Simples

Ah disparage away!

...and if you can name the same three starting with an N you are a Fingallian.

An Napple
An Norange (Nornge)
An Noinion

Also if you pronounce Petrol as Pet-arl - You're a native Fingallian.

martinn123

Yes, but you where de Ezoo is?

Or how huch would you pay for a package of crips.

SpatialPlanner

martinn123 wrote: »

Yes, but you where de Ezoo is?

Or how huch would you pay for a package of crips.

Ha! You beat me to the aul package of crips. Ah dats bleedin' rapih!

martinn123

We need a Ross O'Carroll Kelly, for the Northside.
Roddy Doyle carried the can for a few years with " The Commitments " and "The Van"

Anyone have a favourite Northside Author?
Edit.
Crap, I've gone off topic, .......Eh....An author, for the Northside of Dublin, as opposed to Dublin North County...

Morpheus

D'Onion isnt a fruit! #JustSayin

martinn123

Morpheus wrote: »

D'Onion isnt a fruit! #JustSayin

Yea, but DBanana just isn't proper English

cowzerp

After Santry aren't northsiders, North Dublin no doubt.

The Hill Billy

Morpheus wrote: »

D'Onion isnt a fruit! #JustSayin

It was the only 'fruit' you got if you were on Santa's Naughty List.

Dizzyblonde

Don't forget the Northside school subjects all starting with R:
readin' ritin' and ritmetic

MugMugs

Fingallian..... No no no! A hair brained idea dreamt up by some councillors wanting to go into history books!

I'm not a northsider (albeit now living in louth) I'm from North County Dublin. That's how I play it anyway!

The Hill Billy

Shiny Christmas Mugs wrote: »

Fingallian..... No no no! A hair brained idea dreamt up by some councillors wanting to go into history books!

I'm not a northsider (albeit now living in louth) I'm from North County Dublin. That's how I play it anyway!

Culchie!

Emperor Fing

I've got some roots in Finglas, but that before the place was enveloped in cheap Housing. Finglas, St. Margaret's, Swords, Kinsaley, Baldoyle and further out were a network of villages always referred to as north county or Fingal.

AFAIK the name Fingal is very old and has nothing to do with any decisions of Councillors. The Viking link is true. My grandmother had strange ways of saying things, nothing like your scangers from North inner city. She would pronounce 'like' as 'leek' and sing really weird songs were the words were slightly off.

I'm all for anything north of the M50 being fingal. Anything south is Northsider.

JordanG990

Realistically, anything north of the Liffey would be Northside (north side of the Liffey). So Fingal would actually be northside as it is still in Dublin, even though it is County Dublin.

Personally, I feel once you're from anywhere after Santry, Ballymun and Finglas, you're not a northsider, but that's just my opinion.

masti123

im from clondalkin would i be considered a southsider?

The Hill Billy

masti123 wrote: »

im from clondalkin would i be considered a southsider?

You'd be better off asking in the Dublin County South forum tbh.

RobFowl

masti123 wrote: »

im from clondalkin would i be considered a southsider?

As a Northsider from a family of Northsiders (although now living out in the sticks of North county) I'd say you definitely are...

Emperor Fing

masti123 wrote: »

im from clondalkin would i be considered a southsider?

We dun teek kindly to your kind 'roond here. :P