Kincora loyalist/Brit intelligence child sex abuse scandal

porsche959

With all the hullaboo and outrage about Gerry Adams' brother how come there has been so little interest in the above?

Possibly the mainstream media, the establishment and their lackies are afraid to open that particular can of worms!

liz727 August 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Can’t remember where it was published, but apparently the IRA put out a statement at the time that Kincora – and his involvement in it – was the reason they blew up Mountbatten.

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chris46
August 12, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Hi Liz, we had heard that too. But it was never published in British newspapers. Whether it was in foreign press I don’t know.

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http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/kincorra-a-small-footnote-to-history/#comments

wp_rathead

how about we try and not make child sex abuse a political scoring point eh?

porsche959

wprathead wrote: »

how about we try and not make child sex abuse a political scoring point eh?

Agreed - the Independent and similar media groups should accord proportionate space to Kincora, Elm House, etc rather than continually play politics to use as part of their obsessed and monomaniacal vendetta against Sinn Fein.

Rabelais

Adams is the leader of a political party who has aspirations to be in government in this State. He is also a member of parliament for the people of Dundalk. He has many questions to answer.

The real case of obsession is when the Shinnerbots arrive in droves to try and stifle any debate on the issue, and to use their usual Whataboutery for Dummies guide to defend their bearded Belfast idol.

I am pie

On one hand we have a presidential candidate and sitting TD hiding child abuse in his own family where that family member has been convicted of the offence.

...on the other we have some internet rumours.

Some world class whataboutery there chum.

porsche959

I am pie wrote: »

On one hand we have a presidential candidate and sitting TD hiding child abuse in his own family where that family member has been convicted of the offence.

...on the other we have some internet rumours.

Some world class whataboutery there chum.

There are numerous contemporary reports on Kincora (back when decent investigative reporting still existed, rather than Indo-style muck-raking which the soft-headed accept as fact).

I am pie

porsche959 wrote: »

There are numerous contemporary reports on Kincora (back when decent investigative reporting still existed).

Are there any convictions? Criminal cases? Admissions of guilt? Or is it hearsay and slander ? Lets face it, the link you posted up is fllimsier than a silver rizla. Unsubstantiated would be being generous.

It's not like there isn't an active police operation in the UK targetting abuse cases.

Again, this is weak whataboutery.

porsche959

The Politics of Kincoras Child Sexual Abuse – a Beginners Guide

Posted on October 23, 2013 by cathyfox
The Report of the Hughes Inquiry into Kincoras child sexual abuse was released by The Department of Health, Social Services and Public Safety (Northern Ireland) in response to a FOI request at the end of August.
This post is somewhat of a departure from other posts which have been about the release of institutional child sexual abuse Inquiry reports under Freedom of Information requests. This post tries to put that Report into some sort of context.
Although the report was shocking enough, revealing horrific long term child sexual abuse- it was limited by its terms of reference to looking at the social services, which stopped it looking at wider paedophile rings and the role of other agencies involved in the cover up of the child sexual abuse. It also was set up under local Northern Ireland Acts not wider ranging British Inquiry Acts. Therefore despite its revelations it was perceived as a whitewash.
Although the parapolitics in Northern Ireland are extreme and some pertinent to Northern Ireland alone, the fog of parapolitics, lies and cover up around North Wales child sexual abuse, Dunblane, Peter Righton, and other paedophile rings is not much less, and has been perhaps less well researched. The bright light of truth needs to shine upon child sexual abuse and its powerful establishment backers.
The rest of this blog is reprinted from Lobster Magazine No 10, probably published around 1985 and gives that wider context, necessary to understand why the child sexual abuse was allowed to continue so long. The Lobster was a journal of parapolitics, primarily covering the activities of the British Security and Intelligence Services. It was co-founded/edited by Robin Ramsay and Stephen Dorril and the archives are here http://www.rogerdog.co.uk/, imperfect but I have been told there are mirror sites.
Here is a beginners guide to the complicated and seamy world of the parapolitics of Kincoras child abuse, with thanks to Lobster.

http://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2013/10/23/the-politics-of-kincoras-child-sexual-abuse-a-beginners-guide/

padd b1975

wprathead wrote: »

how about we try and not make child sex abuse a political scoring point eh?

Exactly, it's only for thanks whoring round these parts.

gandalf

Oh here we go a Shinnerbot posting an article on what the other side did to justify why they did it :rolleyes:

Typical response! Rather than address your own shortcomings you deflect with a story from five months ago.

porsche959

gandalf wrote: »

Oh here we go a Shinnerbot posting an article on what the other side did to justify why they did it :rolleyes:

Typical response! Rather than address your own shortcomings you deflect with a story from five months ago.

The Kincora scandal dates from 1982, so thirty years ago. You're only thirty years out, never mind.

One key difference between Kincora and the Liam Adams scandal, which you might have spotted if you weren't ranting about "Shinnerbots", is that in the Adams' case there was one offender and, eventually, one conviction, whereas of the many offenders in relation to Kincora only one or two were convicted.

Your first sentence implies that I would tolerate or justify child abuse if it is committed by republicans provided that "the other side did it" also. This is a false insinuation. I will not accept or tolerate you libelling and slandering me on this forum. I have therefore reported your post, and have saved it off line in the event that it disappears.

Micky Dolenz

Please don't call people "sinnerbots", it's inflammatory.

I am closing this thread as no good at all will come from it. I am not sure of why you thought it would be a good idea.