Bad Grammar and having to know when would have

OwaynOTT

I'm living with a linguistics student for whom English isn't a first language. She really has melted my brain with questions about the English language, present perfect simple, past perfect progressive, etc.
that movie has affected me and here's the effect.
I would have done that, if I had of know it was wrong, when it should be, if I had of know it was wrong, I would have done that.
Also getting that feeling you get then words don't make sense after repeating them over and over.

Sunnyisland

Wat...

keithclancy

Living in a country where English isn't the first language really screws up your English.

OwaynOTT

keithclancy wrote: »

Living in a country where English isn't the first language really screws up your English.

Like Canada?

osarusan

If I had known this, I would have done that.

would of/ve or had of/ve known is actually becoming more common in US English, but not so in British English.

Both basically wrong though, especially in written English.

EDITED: edited my original post because I got confused myself.

AnonoBoy

I nearly the whole language.

Mars Bar

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I nearly the whole language.

Accidentally?

ruthloss

osarusan wrote: »

If I had known this, I would have done that.

had of known is actually becoming more common in US English, but not so in British English.

would of is just always wrong.

Had I known this, I would have done that. (forget about the "If I")


That's the way the Nuns beat me to say it.

Caliden

"if I had of know it was wrong"

Shouldn't this be: "If I had known it was wrong" ?

It just doesn't read right the way the OP posted it.

thee glitz

osarusan wrote: »

had of known is actually becoming more common in US English, but not so in British English.

had have known?

speedboatchase

osarusan wrote: »

If I had known this, I would have done that.

had of known is actually becoming more common in US English, but not so in British English.

would of is just always wrong.

I've never seen 'had of known' written anywhere other than a blog. The 'of' is redundant.

thee glitz

speedboatchase wrote: »

I've never seen 'had of known' written anywhere other than a blog. The 'of' is redundant.

The 'of' is just wrong.

osarusan

thee glitz wrote: »

had have known?

speedboatchase wrote: »

I've never seen 'had of known' written anywhere other than a blog. The 'of' is redundant.

not unusual to hear it in spoken US English in casual situations.

Edit: sorry, I'm getting mixed up, would of / would've and had of / had've are the same mistake, not different ones. But becoming more frequent in spoken English.

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=601345

US English is more like "if I would have known, I would have done something". Really grates.
Of course, the have/of thing is getting mixed up universally

biko

The "of" thing was started by people that don't read bukes good.

speedboatchase

osarusan wrote: »

not unusual to hear it in spoken US English in casual situations.

In conversation, sure, but nobody speaks with correct grammar, at least not every time they speak. When was the last time a human being actually said: "To whom..."?

The problem I find with most grammar mistakes I see is that people are using incorrect elements of conversational language or they're mistakenly using what they hear and then writing it down. For example, it sounds unnatural for me to pronounce 'should have' in conversation; I ended up saying "should of", but it's still wrong to write down 'should of'.

keithclancy

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Like Canada?

Like the Netherlands

You end up saying things like:

Instead of:
Yeh no bother
You say:
That is possible

You end up using 'also' about as often as people from cork use 'like'

You also end up structuring your English in Dutch Grammar, or you end up with some Dunglish phrase.

E.G.

I will put the money on your account.

There is an action on that item (Looks like a feckin bargain)

They see it through the fingers (The know its happening but they ignore it)

I was driving too hard. (I was suckin diesel boss)

thee glitz

I was on this Schuleraustausch with a german bird when I
was a pup and I couldn't finish her English homework.

Muise...

bluewolf wrote: »

US English is more like "if I would have known, I would have done something". Really grates.
Of course, the have/of thing is getting mixed up universally

Yup. "If I had known, I would have..." US English tangles me up in conditional knots. :mad:

speedboatchase

speedboatchase wrote: »

In conversation, sure, but nobody speaks with correct grammar, at least not every time they speak. When was the last time a human being actually said: "To whom..."?

The problem I find with most grammar mistakes I see is that people are using incorrect elements of conversational language or they're mistakenly using what they hear and then writing it down. For example, it sounds unnatural for me to pronounce 'should have' in conversation; I ended up saying "should of", but it's still wrong to write down 'should of'.

That's why we have "should've"

Legs.Eleven

3rd conditional.

if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle

Muise...

thee glitz wrote: »

I was on this Schuleraustausch with a german bird when I
was a pup and I couldn't finish her English homework.

Ein Vogel-Hundchen Austausch? No wonder.

preston johnny

Bad grammar makes mi (sic).

Frank Black

thee glitz wrote: »

I was on this Schuleraustausch with a german bird when I
was a pup and I couldn't finish her English homework.

Is this some kind of analogy regarding an episode of erectile dysfunction you suffered?

thee glitz

Frank Black wrote: »

Is this some kind of analogy regarding an episode erectile dysfunction you suffered?

Not at all. She was quite the schone Madchen.
/leaves ah for stalkbook

Muise...

thee glitz wrote: »

Not at all. She was quite the schone Madchen.

schoenes - especially with no umlauts on.

(it's proper Grammar Nazi if it's in German.)

thee glitz

Muise... wrote: »

schoenes - especially with no umlauts on.

(it's proper Grammar Nazi if it's in German.)

soz, I don't got me no character map on this yoke.

mawk

osarusan wrote: »

If I had known this, I would have done that.

would of/ve or had of/ve known is actually becoming more common in US English, but not so in British English.

Both basically wrong though, especially in written English.

EDITED: edited my original post because I got confused myself.

If I'd have known, I would have done.

Had I known, I would have done

osarusan

mawk wrote: »

If I'd have known, I would have done.

Had I known, I would have done

This is the problem right here.

Muise...

mawk wrote: »

If I'd have known, I would have done.

Had I known, I would have done

Now write it out on the blackboard 100 times.

MarkR

Reminds of an episode of Peppa Pig.

Daddy Pig is my idol.

homemadecider

OwaynOTT wrote: »

I would have done that, if I had of know it was wrong, when it should be, if I had of know it was wrong, I would have done that.

STAB STAB STAB

MadsL

For a head melter try this...

If I had had my pencil I would not failed the test.