New Mazda 6 - German alternative?

Thomas D

Particularly the estate version. Looks like it hits all the spots. Looks good, drives well, good engines (175 2.2D for me). I'm speccing up an A3 sportback (its €55k for what I want!) and the options are killing me. The Mazda seems to have it all in terms of gear.

Any fans?

MuppetCheck

Lovely car, it's priced like a German alternative but to be fair the higher specs are well kitted out.

Drummerboy08

Lovely car to drive, but Mazda think it's a competitor to the A4 and 3 Series...............which it isn't.

Compared to the cars it should be beside, it's a bit expensive.

What are you speccing into an A3 to get €55k?!

Thomas D

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Lovely car to drive, but Mazda think it's a competitor to the A4 and 3 Series...............which it isn't.

Compared to the cars it should be beside, it's a bit expensive.

What are you speccing into an A3 to get €55k?!

Not buying in Ireland btw, another expensive western European country but I don't think it would be too far off here. 185 tdi quattro with dsg and then the standard luxury gear.
The 6 is €43k pretty much all in with similar spec.

coolbeans

I don't see why it can't rival the Germans, it certainly kicks the lard out of an A4 and the ageing Passat to drive. I've not driven the new Dreier but I think it's a bit ugly. Maybe it's a better drive though.

Drummerboy08

Thomas D wrote: »

Not buying in Ireland btw, another expensive western European country but I don't think it would be too far off here. 185 tdi quattro with dsg and then the standard luxury gear.
The 6 is €43k pretty much all in with similar spec.

I wouldn't bother with the 185bhp, run with the 150 - it's plenty in that car (had one on demo recently and was a quick car in a straight line) and sure you can always remap it for a fraction of the cost!

Don't get me wrong, the Six is a lovely car to drive and a nice car to look at, but I think it's trying to be something it's not.

coolbeans

Suppose it doesn't have the right image alright. That said it'll lose no more money than a 55k A4 so residuals shouldn't be a concern relatively speaking.

Drummerboy08

Honda thought the Accord was a german beater too, and look how that ended up....

If it was someone elses money I was spending I'd probably go for the Six over a Passat/Superb/Insignia but if it was my own money I'd be going for the Superb...

R.O.R

Interior of the new 6 is a big improvement over the previous model, but still not quite up to German standards. Decent drive, although the high waistline means small front windows, and less vision.

You'll probably get used to it quickly, but felt rather strange when I took one for a quick blast.

corktina

german alternative? Mondeo obviously.... :-)

Old diesel

Id be more wondering how good an idea Mazda 6 and diesel in the same sentence would be in the long run.

Yes I realise that the 2.2 in the last model was better then the older 2.0 commonrail diesel - but in all fairness - I think you could deliberately mess up an engine design and it would still probably be more reliable then the original diesel 6.

Are we convinced that Mazda improved the 2.2s sufficiently for this not to be a factor???.

MuppetCheck

It's a totally new engine, unlike the 2.2 which was essentially a reworked 2.0. You'd hope after the issues with the 2 litre that they would have sorted it this time...hope...

Matt Simis

coolbeans wrote: »

Suppose it doesn't have the right image alright. That said it'll lose no more money than a 55k A4 so residuals shouldn't be a concern relatively speaking.

It looks great but the limited engine options, lack of RWD (and no AWD outside of MPS if it exists presumably) suggest more than just an image difference.

Old diesel

MuppetCheck wrote: »

It's a totally new engine, unlike the 2.2 which was essentially a reworked 2.0. You'd hope after the issues with the 2 litre that they would have sorted it this time...hope...

All we have to go on is the performance of the last model 2.2 - do we think the 2.2 old model was a good enough improvement to outweigh the disaster of the 2 litre diesel Mazda 6.

Youd hope the new engine would be all sorted - but youd have thought that back in 2002/3 when the original model was all shiney and new - and we all know how that panned out :rolleyes:.

I know the 2.2 that replaced the 2.0 does have a reputation for not been as crap. But they still have a few flaws - the DPF still isn't amazing - and did I hear something about timing chains stretching.

The new 6 is a stunning looking car - and I hate to feel negative about it - but mother of devine - id hate to spend 40 k on a car and be hit with the same sort of issues of the original diesel 6.

Thomas D

You're going back over a decade in engine terms. It wouldn't concern me that much.

Nonoperational

There are still plenty of the 2.0Ds around. Any confirmed reports of the 2.2 having issues? We've ran a 2.0 and a 2.2 for 7 years now with zero issues.

Old diesel

Thomas D wrote: »

You're going back over a decade in engine terms. It wouldn't concern me that much.

True - but as far as I know - Mazda never actually really fixed the issues on the original 2.0 diesel - and in fact managed to make it worse (pretty impressive achievement imo) when they fitted a DPF to it.

They then switched to the 2.2 - and while those were better as far as I am aware - its still not perfect.

Anyhow - feel free to ignore me - I just feel pessimistic about whether Mazda can actually build a diesel engine that can do high mileages without fuss.

Massey10

I've had two Mazda 6s but the price of the new is a few k to much I feel. The basic one dosnt even come with alloys.

R.O.R

Massey10 wrote: »

I've had two Mazda 6s but the price of the new is a few k to much I feel. The basic one dosnt even come with alloys.

It does come with Alloys - 17" with 225/55/17's
DRL's
Touch Screen Radio, with USB/iPod connectivity
Manual A/C
Front & Rear Elec windows
Leather MFSW
Hill Hold
DSC, SRS, ABS, EBD, EBA & TCS
Front Fogs
Cruise
Voice Control Bluetooth

Exec SE / Sport adds:
Power Folding Mirrors
Front & Rear park sensors
Tinted Rear Windows
Dual Zone Climate
Front Centre Armrest - Sliding
Rain Sensing Wipers
Auto dimming rear view mirror
Auto headlights


Possibly still punching above it's weight pricewise, but I'm surprised by the interest in the car. Now have more of this model on the road/on order, than the previous model, depsite it only being available for less than a year.

Mix of people "trading up" from Mondeo/Avensis/Insignia, and people coming out of A4/3 Series (2 Platinums on order for next year from guys coming out of 520d M-Sport Auto's).

Seems Mazda have done much better than Honda at trying to move the model up a class.

Looking forward to seeing a new 3 Saloon in the flesh. Apparently it's a slightly smaller 6, and still keeps the 150ps diesel, which will be a nice option in a car that size/class.

Thomas D

Any comments on the refinement?

EazyD

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Lovely car to drive, but Mazda think it's a competitor to the A4 and 3 Series...............which it isn't.

Compared to the cars it should be beside, it's a bit expensive.

What are you speccing into an A3 to get €55k?!

How exactly is it not a competitor? It is unquestionably the most refined car Mazda have produced, well specced, pound for pound still running in considerably cheaper than German alternatives. I think it's the badge obsession that's clouding people's judgement tbh.

Old diesel

EazyD wrote: »

How exactly is it not a competitor? It is unquestionably the most refined car Mazda have produced, well specced, pound for pound still running in considerably cheaper than German alternatives. I think it's the badge obsession that's clouding people's judgement tbh.

How its not considered a competitor is because its a Mazda trying to compete againsed BMW, Audi and co - on price - rather then the Mondeo and Avensis type competitor that it should be.

At least that's my interpretation.

In all honesty though - id be more concerned about whether Mazda have the ability to produce a good reliable durable diesel engine that's capable of very high mileages without issue.

The 2.2 on the older model was supposed to be a better engine then the 2.0 it replaced - but id prefer to see more evidence of decent reliability before commiting 40 grand on a Mazda diesel.

Personally I think Mazda could address that issue if they offered a very good long warranty with a very generous mileage limit - id say something like 7 years with a 200,000 mile limit - well maybe 150,000 miles.

if they did that - the previous reliability issues would be more of a non issue - for me at least - as at least Mazda are saying they will back you up should things go wrong.

Some will say im making too much of a big deal given that its a stunning car etc etc - but I still reckon its relevant.

But maybe im wrong

EazyD

Old diesel wrote: »

How its not considered a competitor is because its a Mazda trying to compete againsed BMW, Audi and co - on price - rather then the Mondeo and Avensis type competitor that it should be.

At least that's my interpretation.

In all honesty though - id be more concerned about whether Mazda have the ability to produce a good reliable durable diesel engine that's capable of very high mileages without issue.

The 2.2 on the older model was supposed to be a better engine then the 2.0 it replaced - but id prefer to see more evidence of decent reliability before commiting 40 grand on a Mazda diesel.

Personally I think Mazda could address that issue if they offered a very good long warranty with a very generous mileage limit - id say something like 7 years with a 200,000 mile limit - well maybe 150,000 miles.

if they did that - the previous reliability issues would be more of a non issue - for me at least - as at least Mazda are saying they will back you up should things go wrong.

Some will say im making too much of a big deal given that its a stunning car etc etc - but I still reckon its relevant.

But maybe im wrong[/

Why should their price point be different though? For similar money your getting far more standard, albeit with a "lesser" badge (which in my eyes you'd be mad to even take into consideration). I'd sooner have a well specced 6 than a felt spec A4/3 series for similar money.

Tea 1000

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I wouldn't bother with the 185bhp, run with the 150 - it's plenty in that car (had one on demo recently and was a quick car in a straight line) and sure you can always remap it for a fraction of the cost!

Don't get me wrong, the Six is a lovely car to drive and a nice car to look at, but I think it's trying to be something it's not.

Trying to be something you're not is the first step towards actually becoming something else!

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Honda thought the Accord was a german beater too, and look how that ended up....

If it was someone elses money I was spending I'd probably go for the Six over a Passat/Superb/Insignia but if it was my own money I'd be going for the Superb...

What is the Superb doing? Pretending it's German?

corktina wrote: »

german alternative? Mondeo obviously.... :-)

The 6 is better though!

Matt Simis wrote: »

It looks great but the limited engine options, lack of RWD (and no AWD outside of MPS if it exists presumably) suggest more than just an image difference.

To be fair, the vast majority of A4's and A6's are FWD 4 cylinder diesels. The 6 is much better to drive than an A4. Even the quattro A4 is numb.

Old diesel wrote: »

All we have to go on is the performance of the last model 2.2 - do we think the 2.2 old model was a good enough improvement to outweigh the disaster of the 2 litre diesel Mazda 6.

Youd hope the new engine would be all sorted - but youd have thought that back in 2002/3 when the original model was all shiney and new - and we all know how that panned out :rolleyes:.

I know the 2.2 that replaced the 2.0 does have a reputation for not been as crap. But they still have a few flaws - the DPF still isn't amazing - and did I hear something about timing chains stretching.

The new 6 is a stunning looking car - and I hate to feel negative about it - but mother of devine - id hate to spend 40 k on a car and be hit with the same sort of issues of the original diesel 6.

Maybe someday we can have a Mazda 6 thread without your "disaster engine" input!

Old diesel wrote: »

How its not considered a competitor is because its a Mazda trying to compete againsed BMW, Audi and co - on price - rather then the Mondeo and Avensis type competitor that it should be.

At least that's my interpretation.

In all honesty though - id be more concerned about whether Mazda have the ability to produce a good reliable durable diesel engine that's capable of very high mileages without issue.

The 2.2 on the older model was supposed to be a better engine then the 2.0 it replaced - but id prefer to see more evidence of decent reliability before commiting 40 grand on a Mazda diesel.

Personally I think Mazda could address that issue if they offered a very good long warranty with a very generous mileage limit - id say something like 7 years with a 200,000 mile limit - well maybe 150,000 miles.

if they did that - the previous reliability issues would be more of a non issue - for me at least - as at least Mazda are saying they will back you up should things go wrong.

Some will say im making too much of a big deal given that its a stunning car etc etc - but I still reckon its relevant.

But maybe im wrong

They're not competing on price. The 6 is around 7k cheaper than a similarly powered A4. And again - enough with the "disaster engine" already. It's so sickening at this stage. The Germans have plenty of disaster engines too, more than Mazda have.

Celly Smunt

R.O.R wrote: »

Interior of the new 6 is a big improvement over the previous model, but still not quite up to German standards.

I still don't get this mentality,i don't understand how anybody can class the interiors of German cars (high spec aside) as high standard.The German cars bombing around Irish roads at the moment are probably the dullest around.

R.O.R

Celly Smunt wrote: »

I still don't get this mentality,i don't understand how anybody can class the interiors of German cars (high spec aside) as high standard.The German cars bombing around Irish roads at the moment are probably the dullest around.

It's the massive expanse of flat, shiny plastic that hits you in the Mazda, that doesn't hit you in the BMW/Audi.

Doesn't really bother me, but jumping from one to another, you notice the difference.

Old diesel

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Trying to be something you're not is the first step towards actually becoming something else!

What is the Superb doing? Pretending it's German?

The 6 is better though!

To be fair, the vast majority of A4's and A6's are FWD 4 cylinder diesels. The 6 is much better to drive than an A4. Even the quattro A4 is numb.

Maybe someday we can have a Mazda 6 thread without your "disaster engine" input!

They're not competing on price. The 6 is around 7k cheaper than a similarly powered A4. And again - enough with the "disaster engine" already. It's so sickening at this stage. The Germans have plenty of disaster engines too, more than Mazda have.

All I said was - has the 2.2 diesel improved enough to make the old issues on the 2 litre to make those issues a non issue.

As far as I know - the 2.2 still had issues - but it is better then the 2 litre something ive always acknowledged.

Tbh - I really couldn't give a f:mad::mad:k about Mazda or their diesel engines - I do however think that for someone looking to spend 40 k on a brand new car - it is an issue of potential relevance (Can Mazda built a long lasting durable modern diesel engine).

I even offered suggestions as to how Mazda could put all that behind them and make it a none issue.

Anyway - the way your banging on about it - youd swear I was the only person who ever criticised Mazda 6 diesel reliability.

Wheras - that's far from being the case.

Anyway - we don't share the same view - so apologies ive caused you upset or annoyance .

I promise never to mention Mazda 6 diesel reliability again - except if someones actually thinking of buying a 2 litre Mazda 6 diesel.

I acknowledge and accept that I was probably wrong to mention it considering in a tread of the new 6 since its a completely different engine.

And with regard to the thread last week which has massively upset you I think my comments in that thread were relevant because someone had the delimma of changing their high mileage Mazda 6 2 litre diesel.

Again sincere apologies for all upset caused:)

I have no problem in accepting I could be wrong - and im always very happy to agree to disagree

Massey10

R.O.R wrote: »

It does come with Alloys - 17" with 225/55/17's
DRL's
Touch Screen Radio, with USB/iPod connectivity
Manual A/C
Front & Rear Elec windows
Leather MFSW
Hill Hold
DSC, SRS, ABS, EBD, EBA & TCS
Front Fogs
Cruise
Voice Control Bluetooth

Exec SE / Sport adds:
Power Folding Mirrors
Front & Rear park sensors
Tinted Rear Windows
Dual Zone Climate
Front Centre Armrest - Sliding
Rain Sensing Wipers
Auto dimming rear view mirror
Auto headlights


Possibly still punching above it's weight pricewise, but I'm surprised by the interest in the car. Now have more of this model on the road/on order, than the previous model, depsite it only being available for less than a year.

Mix of people "trading up" from Mondeo/Avensis/Insignia, and people coming out of A4/3 Series (2 Platinums on order for next year from guys coming out of 520d M-Sport Auto's).

Seems Mazda have done much better than Honda at trying to move the model up a class.

Looking forward to seeing a new 3 Saloon in the flesh. Apparently it's a slightly smaller 6, and still keeps the 150ps diesel, which will be a nice option in a car that size/class.

I checked the website and your right about the alloys my dealership said otherwise. Will there be many petrol models sold I've always had petrol and ever had to spend a euro on them but it seems to be all diesel now.

MuppetCheck

Old diesel wrote: »

All I said was - has the 2.2 diesel improved enough to make the old issues on the 2 litre to make those issues a non issue.



As far as I know - the 2.2 still had issues - but it is better then the 2 litre something ive always acknowledged.



Tbh - I really couldn't give a f:mad:k about Mazda or their diesel engines - I do however think that for someone looking to spend 40 k on a brand new car - it is an issue of potential relevance (Can Mazda built a long lasting durable modern diesel engine).



I even offered suggestions as to how Mazda could put all that behind them and make it a none issue.



Anyway - the way your banging on about it - youd swear I was the only person who ever criticised Mazda 6 diesel reliability.



Wheras - that's far from being the case.



Anyway - we don't share the same view - so apologies ive caused you upset or annoyance .



I promise never to mention Mazda 6 diesel reliability again - except if someones actually thinking of buying a 2 litre Mazda 6 diesel.



I acknowledge and accept that I was probably wrong to mention it considering in a tread of the new 6 since its a completely different engine.



And with regard to the thread last week which has massively upset you I think my comments in that thread were relevant because someone had the delimma of changing their high mileage Mazda 6 2 litre diesel.



Again sincere apologies for all upset caused



I have no problem in accepting I could be wrong - and im always very happy to agree to disagree

I think it's a valid enough point to raise in terms of how Mazda have traditionally seen the dpf's working - there was a flaw in their thinking. You would hope a company like that has realized the error of their ways with the new engine.

I saw my 2.2's oil level rise around Christmas last year when it wasnt being used for commuting in and driven around town a lot. I see it a couple of times a week being driven by its new owner and I wonder how the oil level works now given it seems to be driven around town mainly these days (and has the parking scars already to prove it:mad:).

Old diesel

MuppetCheck wrote: »

I think it's a valid enough point to raise in terms of how Mazda have traditionally seen the dpf's working - there was a flaw in their thinking. You would hope a company like that has realized the error of their ways with the new engine.

I saw my 2.2's oil level rise around Christmas last year when it wasnt being used for commuting in and driven around town a lot. I see it a couple of times a week being driven by its new owner and I wonder how the oil level works now given it seems to be driven around town mainly these days (and has the parking scars already to prove it:mad:).

I suppose I should have been more clearer - and my apologies to Tea 1000 if my reply to him a while ago comes across too harsh.

But I suppose my point is - even the old model 2.2 - its still relatively new - so while its better - I wasn't sure if it had been around long enough to even clock up the big 150,000 to 200,000 miles type mileages.

The DPF still as you know isn't perfect on the 2.2 - hopefully they have sorted it out in the new model.

In all fairness - I do have some respect for Mazda for sticking at diesel engine production inspite of the issues they had.

Admittedly if I was a customer - id feel happier if they had outsourced diesel engine production.

But I genuinely do respect the fact that they have stuck with diesel engine production - and genuinely hope that they have succeeded with this new engine in terms of making a good reliable engine

MuppetCheck

There are a few on UK forums at 150k miles alright, and there are 2 litres at higher levels. There's very little in terms of engines going bang but I think that serves to show servicing is key. It does happen but the only place I have read of it on 2.2's is boards. Maybe there is a link between Irish servicing attitude and longevity.

Of course if this was an Italian it would be a quirk and something to be proud of:pac:

Old diesel

MuppetCheck wrote: »

There are a few on UK forums at 150k miles alright, and there are 2 litres at higher levels. There's very little in terms of engines going bang but I think that serves to show servicing is key. It does happen but the only place I have read of it on 2.2's is boards. Maybe there is a link between Irish servicing attitude and longevity.

Of course if this was an Italian it would be a quirk and something to be proud of:pac:

Good stuff - the point of my original points was I wanted to establish what the old 2.2 was like.

My thinking was if the old 2.2 was very good - then the 2.0 diesel issues would have been a non issue - since clearly the 2.2 was newer - and better.

Weird thing though about the 2.2 DPFs - is that from what ive heard - some cars are better/not as bad (pick whatever is most appropriate) then others.

Read in Diesel Car magazine of a company in the Uk that had 3 of them - one had the issue with raising oil levels - but another was absolutely perfect - and apparently they were used the same.

Anyway - the good news is I will walk away from this particular thread now - ive made my points - whether good or bad .

And apologies again to Tea 1000 for being harsh in my reply

galwaytt

Tea 1000 wrote: »

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Maybe someday we can have a Mazda 6 thread without your "disaster engine" input!.

Maybe you will: at which point I'll step in and take over. I still have €13.5k of brownie points to burn............ :eek:

MuppetCheck

galwaytt wrote: »

Maybe you will: at which point I'll step in and take over. I still have €13.5k of brownie points to burn............ :eek:

Was wondering when you'd rock up to this:p

Tragedy

Old Diesel's posts on this thread are a travesty, full of bad facts, uninformed nonsense, and fear mongering.

When someone points this out, he churlishly replies that he was only asking questions and looking for information.

Ya right.

There is plenty of information out there on the reliability and performance of both the older 2.0d and more recent 2.2d, spreading your muck across boards is unnecessary.

A thread on the new 6 would be nice without someone ****ing it up about an engine design from the start of last decade.

This is the best attempt at a japanese competitor to german dominance at the lower end of the 'premium' field (i.e. where Volvo and Saab tried to eke out a living), and it's interesting to see what the reaction in the public is to it.

Old diesel

Tragedy wrote: »

Old Diesel's posts on this thread are a travesty, full of bad facts, uninformed nonsense, and fear mongering.

When someone points this out, he churlishly replies that he was only asking questions and looking for information.

Ya right.

There is plenty of information out there on the reliability and performance of both the older 2.0d and more recent 2.2d, spreading your muck across boards is unnecessary.

A thread on the new 6 would be nice without someone ****ing it up about an engine design from the start of last decade.

This is the best attempt at a japanese competitor to german dominance at the lower end of the 'premium' field (i.e. where Volvo and Saab tried to eke out a living), and it's interesting to see what the reaction in the public is to it.

My apologies for any upset caused and for any inaccuracies you feel may have been contained in anything I have posted.

I merely was intending to ask had the 2.2 diesel on the last model been a significant improvement on the 2.0 d to render the issues on that a non issue in terms of whether one should by the new one.

I believe it was - but they still had issues with it.

I never said the 2.2 diesel was bad - in fact the only opinion that I gave in relation to it was that it was better then the 2.0 - my point was - was it significantly better

But my apologies for taking the tread off topic .

I thought the points I made were relevant - but I was wrong - since its a completely new engine anyway.

Feel free to report to the mods if you feel ive broken any rules or done anything wrong.

Last thing I want to do is to cause upset or say and do the wrong things

EazyD

Old diesel wrote: »

My apologies for any upset caused and for any inaccuracies you feel may have been contained in anything I have posted.

I merely was intending to ask had the 2.2 diesel on the last model been a significant improvement on the 2.0 d to render the issues on that a non issue in terms of whether one should by the new one.

I believe it was - but they still had issues with it.

I never said the 2.2 diesel was bad - in fact the only opinion that I gave in relation to it was that it was better then the 2.0 - my point was - was it significantly better

But my apologies for taking the tread off topic .

I thought the points I made were relevant - but I was wrong - since its a completely new engine anyway.

Feel free to report to the mods if you feel ive broken any rules or done anything wrong.

Last thing I want to do is to cause upset or say and do the wrong things

To be fair, your fully entitled to your opinion as is anyone on the thread, that's what makes Boards the clusterf#ck of brilliance that it is!:)

Tea 1000

EazyD wrote: »

To be fair, your fully entitled to your opinion as is anyone on the thread, that's what makes Boards the clusterf#ck of brilliance that it is!:)

I completely agree. But there's a limit, which was my point. If I were to lambast every Audi thread with "Oil sludge issues" in the 1.8 turbo or injector problems on the 2 litre petrol, or chain issues on the 2 litre diesel BMW then it'd become tiresome for other people.
Anyway, time to move on from it. Anyone getting a new Mazda 6 diesel will have 3 years warranty, and by then we'll know what the all-new Skyactiv diesel engine is like. Until then, lets park the oil-in-sump issue on all talk about the new Mazda 6.
Apparently, on the older model with the 2.2 the issue is much less common. The only reference to it on Honest John is a case where it happened and when investigated there was over 8 litres of oil-diesel mix in the sump, so the owner clearly wasn't checking oil levels.
I think some of it might be down to the way it's driven. Modern diesels across the board need to be given a bit of stick. Gone are the N/A diesel days of not even bothering to use the throttle when taking off from 2nd!
Modern diesels do not like labouring, and they labour even when it doesn't sound or feel like they are.

Tea 1000

R.O.R wrote: »

It's the massive expanse of flat, shiny plastic that hits you in the Mazda, that doesn't hit you in the BMW/Audi.

Doesn't really bother me, but jumping from one to another, you notice the difference.

I like the new Mazda interior. The A4 is upmarket alright inside, but beginning to look a little stale. The E90 interior was shít. F30 is nice though.

Old diesel

The 2nd interior in Tea 1000s post looks fantastic imo with the light coloured trim.

A nice place to be

Tea 1000

Old diesel wrote: »

The 2nd interior in Tea 1000s post looks fantastic imo with the light coloured trim.

A nice place to be

And if you look at the rev counter, it appears to be petrol, so the chances of diesel getting into that sump should be really small, but you still never know... :P

Old diesel

Tea 1000 wrote: »

And if you look at the rev counter, it appears to be petrol, so the chances of diesel getting into that sump should be really small, but you still never know... :P

I didn't even notice (honestly your honour)

Old diesel

It is a genuinely stunning car - and i wish Mazda, all owners and driver the very best of luck with it.

Definitely good to see something come along to take on the german manufacturers in the A4/3 series sector of the market - this baby has the ability it seems - and the press are raving about it.

Old diesel

Celly Smunt wrote: »

I still don't get this mentality,i don't understand how anybody can class the interiors of German cars (high spec aside) as high standard.The German cars bombing around Irish roads at the moment are probably the dullest around.

Your right - although i would say that some of the blandness on german cars in Ireland is due to Irish cars are specced.

Someone at the doctors surgery where my Parents go had a 2011 Audi A4 saloon.

Black interior with cloth - yuk - although to be fair that's not an issue confined to Audi or indeed German cars

If it was in the Uk - theres a fairly decent chance that car would have leather which would make a massive difference - especially in a light coloured trim like the 2nd new Mazda 6 in Tea 1000s 2nd picture.

Makes a massive difference imo

mailforkev

My father picked up his new 2.2D 6 estate in July and is delighted with it so far.

I was called upon to drop him somewhere earlier this afternoon so he called over with it and I got to drive it properly for the first time.

Nice drive, good bit of pace and very comfortable on the M50 and smaller roads. Only thing I noticed was that the orientation of the sat nav seemed a bit odd, perhaps it can be changed in settings. I had it for a while earlier and had a good poke around so any questions just fire away.

He reckons it's doing great mpg, significantly better than his previous 2.0D (the 140 bhp one) Mondeo.

As an aside, the Mazda dealer invited him up for a spin in the new 3 last week. Same 150 bhp engine as the 6. Now he wouldn't exactly be a speed demon but described it as a bit of a rocket.

Old diesel

mailforkev wrote: »

My father picked up his new 2.2D 6 estate in July and is delighted with it so far.

I was called upon to drop him somewhere earlier this afternoon so he called over with it and I got to drive it properly for the first time.

Nice drive, good bit of pace and very comfortable on the M50 and smaller roads. Only thing I noticed was that the orientation of the sat nav seemed a bit odd, perhaps it can be changed in settings. I had it for a while earlier and had a good poke around so any questions just fire away.

He reckons it's doing great mpg, significantly better than his previous 2.0D (the 140 bhp one) Mondeo.

As an aside, the Mazda dealer invited him up for a spin in the new 3 last week. Same 150 bhp engine as the 6. Now he wouldn't exactly be a speed demon but described it as a bit of a rocket.

Good news - hope your Fathers new car continues to be amazing - they do look nice in all fairness

Thomas D

What's the noise like at motorway speed?

mailforkev

Thomas D wrote: »

What's the noise like at motorway speed?

Seemed quiet enough to me, fairly low revs in top gear and didn't notice much wind noise.

First time I've driven anything with stop/start too, feels a bit strange sitting at the lights in silence.