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Dog taking over my bed
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03-12-2013 10:11am#1
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1) Close the bedroom door and let the dog sleep elsewhere. 2) Leave fog in spare bedroom with OH 3) Push dog out of your way
Thanks for the reply. Its not the end of the world for me so I can live with it for a few weeks until his hair gets a bit longer.
1) not an option as he is the smartest airhead i know and this summer learned how to open the doors in the house. Living in a rental semi-d so can't close the baby gate on the stairs with him in the sitting room because he will howl because he gets lonely.
2) The dog wont stay in the spare room. He always starts off there but ends up coming in to me at 3 or 4 in the morning. No locks for the doors.
3) Doesn't work either because he pushes right back - he is easily light enough to pick up when he wants to be picked up but when he doesn't he becomes as heavy and akward to move as a tonne of bricks0 -
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emmabrighton wrote: »My hairy cocker spaniel got a blade one all over a month ago and since then has taken to sleeping under the covers at night… fair enough! Problem is that since last weekend he has taken to sleeping under my duvet somewhere around where my knees would normally be. I also have a toddler who sleeps in my bed. In my mind, if he is going to sleep in my bed, then it would be better for all if he slept beneath my toddlers feet. My little boy is only 2 feet tall!!!!!!
I had a wrestling match with the dog last night trying to push him over to where I want him to sleep. The dog won. I ended up sleeping in an s shape to accommodate the baby and the dog.
The OH has moved out of the bedroom into the spare room as there is no room left in the bed with the baby doing helicopters during the night.
How do I convince the dog to 1) go back to sleeping with my husband.. or 2) to sleep beneath my toddlers legs or secret option 3) how did you knowledgeable folk remedy the situation in your abode?
I have to say i do feel your pain... cockers are sneaky little feckers and will wedge their way into your heart and then into the bed.... they have ways and means to get what they want...
If i allowed my cocker he too would sleep on my bed and curled behind my knees too... very confortable for him... not so much for me :rolleyes:
what i do is i have a pillow or bed for him in the room (when im in the house alone only) and these nights i allow him up... he does try and jump up but i put him down 3/4 times he gets fed up and sleeps in his own bed... do this for a few nights and it will sort the little beggar out
also if he's cold in his bed (with his clip) and he wants body heat... get him a hot water bottle is his own bed with a cover on it and this should keep him very happy
Best of luck and be STRONG.... the cocker gaze and gorgeous face can be very convincing at times
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At the moment I have three plastic dog beds in our bedroom and one regular dog bed. But that's not enough as our spaniel sleeps at the bottom of our bed. T he collie sleeps on the regular dog bed and the 3 greys sleep in the plastic tub bed. The greys look like peas in a pod as the beds are lined up in a row.
OP just keep ordering your guy back to his space where ever that is - at the end of the bed or back with the OH. If you think the dog is cold after the clip put a tee shirt or dog coat on him to see if that helps settle him.
Our collie is a useless sleeper she regularly wakes up in the middle of the night and mooches about but she eventually settles.
Of course if it gets really bad you could move to the sofa 0 -
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OP, mine love the bed. They come in for an evening and a morning cuddle. To get them onto their own beds the get offered a treat to go to bed. Only when they're on the bed do they get it, and they settle for the night. It took practice and perseverance but now they run to their beds at the mere mention of 'beddybyes and nitenites'
, because they know what's coming. 0 -
This thread has me wondering what will happen when I stop crating the pup at night - where am I going to sleep lol!
Why wouldn't you continue to crate at night when he's older?
OP be carefull waking a dog up when it's sleeping, especially if your son is in the same bed. Just get a nice little bed for him in a warm spot and he'll settle down after awhile.0 -
It is madness having your baby and dog in the bed and your husband in the spare room!!! Dogs need a pecking order and he is trying to win the bed which can end in your dog attacking your or worse still your child. Dogs should not be let in your bed full stop.... Google it or check with a dog trainer it can and does end it the dog attacking you or baby
I'll save you the price of a phone call OP, as a dog trainer I can assure you right here and now that your dog is not trying to win the bed, nor building up to attacking you or your child.
Bloody hell, when is this utter misinformation just going to go away? It is waffle, it is hocus-pocus, and most of all, it has been disproven.
OP, there can be issues with having a dog in the bed... dogs can start to get irritated if you move around in the night and waken them, it's almost as if you frighten them waking them from a deep slumber and they wake up in ninja mode. However, this is resource guarding, not a bid to overthrow you and humankind. It doesn't always happen, but it is a risk.
I would strongly suggest that you get an adequately sized crate, train your dog to use it, then when he's comfortable in it, let him sleep in it beside your bed, in a lovely, snuggly quilt. You can then start to move the crate a little further away from your bed over a few weeks. And of course, as you've identified, the full bladder in the small hours won't be helping, so you'll need to find a way to make sure he gets out for his pre-bedtime ablutions!
As this is an animals forum, and I'm not qualified to give out advice on human relationships, I'll not comment on the arrangement whereby your OH has been consigned to another bed in another room Each to their own 0 -
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BillyMitchel wrote: »Why wouldn't you continue to crate at night when he's older?
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Because she'll outgrow the crate for starters lol! Also I'd feel guilty if one was on the bed and one was in a crate.
I quite like having my dog sleep on the bed - he only started to sleep upstairs again after about 3.5 years.0 -
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Because she'll outgrow the crate for starters lol! Also I'd feel guilty if one was on the bed and one was in a crate.
I quite like having my dog sleep on the bed - he only started to sleep upstairs again after about 3.5 years.
I love having mine in the bed too best hot water bottle so cosy! My dog is so funny and goes to bed every night at 8.30!! Even if we are downstairs she trots off
By herself and gets under the covers!! Lol I have to say though there is only space for one down the bottom at night! I wouldn't like if OH had to sleep in spare room! I have been off sick from work so during the day the other two get onto bed so there is me and 3 dogs in it and they all curl up together!! 0 -
Because she'll outgrow the crate for starters lol! Also I'd feel guilty if one was on the bed and one was in a crate.
I quite like having my dog sleep on the bed - he only started to sleep upstairs again after about 3.5 years.
Should have got one that would fit her for her life. Crates are a god-sent! Some crates now can even be divided into sections. I'd be lost without mine but same time no way would I let him on the bed. Beds not big enough anyway!!0 -
BillyMitchel wrote: »DBB would you agree with the snapping when woken up though?
As per my post, yes I would say it can be a risk:OP, there can be issues with having a dog in the bed... dogs can start to get irritated if you move around in the night and waken them, it's almost as if you frighten them waking them from a deep slumber and they wake up in ninja mode. However, this is resource guarding, not a bid to overthrow you and humankind. It doesn't always happen, but it is a risk.
However, it's really important to put some context on this. Personally, I have no issue with people having their dogs on the furniture or in the bed... Each to their own! But only if sharing the furniture doesn't cause a problem. Most dogs don't cause a problem, but some do (further evidence that dominance as a motivator doesn't happen... If it was a motivator, it'd mean pretty much all dogs would be unliveable-withable).
Dogs who protect their sleeping spot, or food, or toys, or chews, or their owners etc are resource guarding, protecting something they value... Just like you or I do, although I feel it's easier to understand if you picture two young kids vying for something both of them want! There is definitely a disposition in some breeds to be resource guarders, although lack of really early training by the breeder, then owner, to learn to like sharing, plays a very big part too.
For the record, breeds that are in my experience predisposed to resource guarding are terriers, Shih Tsus (and Lhasas!), Retrievers, and.... Cockers :-oIs it positive re-enforcement training you do? Sorry for going OT!
Behaviour is more my thang, but yes... Absolutely 100% committed to ethical training. For the record, there is no such thing as a purely positive trainer. Everyone needs to be able to provide consequences for a dog when he persists in misbehaving... It's the type of consequence that separates ethical trainers from *ahem* "traditional" trainers. Withholding desired rewards until the desired behaviour happens, and properly executed Time Outs are the two groups of "punishments" that are considered ethical. These are the only types of punishment a "positive" trainer will use.
God, I do go on, don't I? :-D0 -
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borderlinemeath wrote: »It's obviously not just as simple as saying 'dog sleeps in a kennel'. If the dog has always been an indoor dog, it will be a huge shock to the dogs routine to be turfed outdoors. Perhaps he's a barker and will keep the OP, and the rest of the neighbourhood awake all night.
Some people don't want boundaries, if people want their children to sleep in their bed, then that's their prerogative, the OP hasn't asked about moving her child out, she's asking how to deal with the dog while he has a short haircut, yet your answer would be to turf him outdoors!!
If people don't want boundaries that's fair enough. There's little point though, in opening a thread to ask for advice in addressing the consequences of a lack of boundaries. OP doesn't have to put the dog outdoors of course. The kitchen would do the trick. Even the hall/landing. Maybe the spare room? Let the OH back into his bed? 0 -
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borderlinemeath wrote: »OP, mine love the bed. They come in for an evening and a morning cuddle. To get them onto their own beds the get offered a treat to go to bed. Only when they're on the bed do they get it, and they settle for the night. It took practice and perseverance but now they run to their beds at the mere mention of 'beddybyes and nitenites', because they know what's coming.
This is EXACTLY our routine too - so pleased to see that there are other nutters doing the same thing (cept Id NEVER say "beddybyes") 0 -
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Behaviour is more my thang, but yes... Absolutely 100% committed to ethical training. For the record, there is no such thing as a purely positive trainer. Everyone needs to be able to provide consequences for a dog when he persists in misbehaving... It's the type of consequence that separates ethical trainers from *ahem* "traditional" trainers. Withholding desired rewards until the desired behaviour happens, and properly executed Time Outs are the two groups of "punishments" that are considered ethical. These are the only types of punishment a "positive" trainer will use.
God, I do go on, don't I? :-D
It should be noted that negative reinforcement isn't punishment. It's actually a highly effective way to teach. In simple terms, positive reinforcement is addition of something (like a treat), and negative reinforcement is taking away something (I dunno what about in dogs but I know in horses it's things like dropping rein contact). Punishment is something completely different to negative reinforcement. Not saying you don't know this DBB, but it is a common mistake made
OP, maybe teach the dog a command to get him to move? I know with our dog (quite by accident) we taught him "move". It was mainly because, as a youngster, he used to follow me about the place and always got in the way so me telling him to "move" turned into a command. Now when you ask, he always takes three steps backwards :P
Maybe do something similar with your dog, only for the bed?0 -
As per my post, yes I would say it can be a risk:
However, it's really important to put some context on this. Personally, I have no issue with people having their dogs on the furniture or in the bed... Each to their own! But only if sharing the furniture doesn't cause a problem. Most dogs don't cause a problem, but some do (further evidence that dominance as a motivator doesn't happen... If it was a motivator, it'd mean pretty much all dogs would be unliveable-withable).
Dogs who protect their sleeping spot, or food, or toys, or chews, or their owners etc are resource guarding, protecting something they value... Just like you or I do, although I feel it's easier to understand if you picture two young kids vying for something both of them want! There is definitely a disposition in some breeds to be resource guarders, although lack of really early training by the breeder, then owner, to learn to like sharing, plays a very big part too.
For the record, breeds that are in my experience predisposed to resource guarding are terriers, Shih Tsus (and Lhasas!), Retrievers, and.... Cockers :-o
Behaviour is more my thang, but yes... Absolutely 100% committed to ethical training. For the record, there is no such thing as a purely positive trainer. Everyone needs to be able to provide consequences for a dog when he persists in misbehaving... It's the type of consequence that separates ethical trainers from *ahem* "traditional" trainers. Withholding desired rewards until the desired behaviour happens, and properly executed Time Outs are the two groups of "punishments" that are considered ethical. These are the only types of punishment a "positive" trainer will use.
God, I do go on, don't I? :-D
No I could listen and ask questions all day! Please do go on 0 -
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It should be noted that negative reinforcement isn't punishment. It's actually a highly effective way to teach. In simple terms, positive reinforcement is addition of something (like a treat), and negative reinforcement is taking away something (I dunno what about in dogs but I know in horses it's things like dropping rein contact). Punishment is something completely different to negative reinforcement. Not saying you don't know this DBB, but it is a common mistake made
You're quite right! Getting mixed up on the definition of what negative reinforcement is, is a common mistake, and with respect, you've just made it!
Here's a brief synopsis of learning theory, specifically operant conditioning:
"Negative" refers to taking a reward or aversive away.
"Positive" refers to adding a reward or an aversive.
"Reinforcement" refers to making a behaviour more likely to happen.
"Punishment" refers to making a behaviour less likely to happen.
Withholding an expected reward is called "negative punishment", not negative reinforcement as you have said.
Going back to the definitions above, "Negative" refers to taking a reward away. "Punishment" refers to providing a consequence to reduce a behaviour. So, if we do not to give a dog attention (reward) when he jumps up, we are negatively punishing jumping up: removing the reward to make jumping up less likely to happen in future.
When the dog sits instead, the sit is positively reinforced by giving the reward, in order to make sitting more likely to happen in future.
Where you're getting mixed up here, as many do, is that negative reinforcement is used to increase (not reduce) a behaviour... That is why it's called a reinforcer.
Again, referring back to the above definitions, Negative reinforcement works by taking away an aversive in order to increase a desired behaviour: it is the relief from the aversive being removed that acts as the reward. This can be hard to get your head around, so some examples might help:
Take choke chains: the dog learns that the sound of the chain tightening is a prelude to a chuck in the neck (aversive), and so he stops pulling (avoidance). In this case, not-pulling has been negatively reinforced. Similarly, dogs are negatively reinforced not to leave their garden in order to avoid a painful shock to the throat from the radio fence.
Because by definition it involves having to apply an aversive, positive trainers will tend not to use negative reinforcement, although there are some scenarios in which it can work well, when used with judgment to keep the degree of aversion very low.
Negative reinforcement is very over-used in horseydom, a huge amount of things a horse does whilst being ridden, it learned to do by avoiding or gaining relief from things that are a little (sometimes a lot) unpleasant for it. Effective it can be, but because it requires the use of aversives, there is way too much potential for unwanted side-effects... Health issues aside, it is why so many horses develop vices like bucking, rearing, leaning on the bit, crossing the jaws, putting their tongue over the bit etc.0 -
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My lurcher sleeps in my bed. He starts off on top of the duvet, then gets in. He takes up most of the bed as he likes to stretch out or sleep on his back, legs in the air!
I don't think he would ever sleep anywhere else now even if I wanted him to.
He's never snapped if I need to move him - he'd have to move to snap, and he's far too lazy to move 0 -
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I share my single bed with 3 (2 dogs and a cat) I wouldn't have it any other way, our cat is 18 and has slept on the end of bed since he was just a kitten.
Lilly (springer) cuddles right up to me and rests her head on my neck (I gave her that habit the first night she came home)
and the JRT who was a rescue last year took to his new sleeping quarters straight away although he prefers to sleep right down the bet often on my knees
With all that said Im only 21 and live at home so I don't have children or oh's to think of
It may sound strange but whenever I stay at someone else house, Its stranger not having one of my furry buddies cuddled up to me
One thing which is great though, is that neither of the 3 (bar the cat some mornings) moves from their spot until I get up the next morning 0
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