best martial arts for basic street defence

teddyteddy

jujitsu judo etc. and if anyone out there training .. where in dublin are you training . im south side currently . ...

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teddyteddy wrote: »

jujitsu judo etc. and if anyone out there training .. where in dublin are you training . im south side currently . ...

MMA. Boxing or Muay Thai.

Niall Keane

Michael O Leary

teddyteddy wrote: »

jujitsu judo etc. and if anyone out there training .. where in dublin are you training . im south side currently . ...

Hi,

I won't give an opinion on the "best" but a good starting point is to ask which martial arts identify the risks involved in a self defence situation. how they prioritize these risks based upon the likelihood and impact of them occurring before addressing them through training. This is the basic idea in Risk Management and is used in almost all areas of business, medicine, sport but not really martial arts.

As you asked, we are in Blanchardstown, have classes three times per week and the first month is free.

Regards,

Michael
www.wingtsun-blanchardstown.ie

Stillweak

Are you near foxrock?
Gypsy jiu jitsu pink belt teaching in the village.

pablohoney87

Just watch and listen before you decide on a certain "style"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le3IUKp0I_o

Stillweak

Good video. Really enjoyed listening to Matt.
Plenty of delusional bjj and mma people too though. When I think of the posts on here about average irish blue belts would have been able to win UFC 1. Or the 150 pound guy who can beat up Paul O Connell. Or Katie Taylor beating nearly any man.
I sub guys in bjj all the time who would kick the crap out of me in a fight.

truebluesac

Every art has its upper tier of shinny excellence , and every MA has its dungeons and dragon participants .

The 2 main points of all self defence classes iv ever taught are

1) if it can be avoided , walk away or run
2) what works for one wont always work for another

Some MA fit a indivudal better than others , but it doesnt make it the "best" , it just makes it the best fit for the person

Peetrik

truebluesac wrote: »

2) what works for one wont always work for another

What works on a fully resisting trained fighter in peak physical condition will work on a drunk gob****e

What works in choreography with a compliant opponent will probably only work in choreography

RoboRat

What works on a fully resisting trained fighter in peak physical condition will work on a drunk gob****e

What works in choreography with a compliant opponent will probably only work in choreography

Yup, bang on there mate.

I have done Kenpo (blue belt), Bushido (green belt), Boxing, Judo (1 year, never graded though), MMA and BJJ (do this now as I am old with bad knees) I have also done a bit of MT too. I personally think that MT/MMA is the most effective followed by Judo/Boxing.

I think the Karate forms I done involved a lot of punching a certain way and blocking said punches which is not realistic but I understand that a lot of the curriculum for Karate styles have changed to be more functional. I also dislike the disarming an attacker with a knife/gun etc... if someone pulls a knife, get the fcuk out of dodge and don't think you're Steven Segal.

My experience has proven to me that the best forms are the ones that allow you to spar in a non choreographed manner, where sparring is close to real life fighting and where you have to be able to deal with anything. I only want to deal with hand to hand combat as once a weapon is produced I am out of there. That IMO is the best form of MA you can do for street defence.

truebluesac

Peetrik wrote: »

What works on a fully resisting trained fighter in peak physical condition will work on a drunk gob****e

What works in choreography with a compliant opponent will probably only work in choreography

Id agree with the choregraphy but would disagree an agresser is an agresser . Iv seen a hugh guy 30+ stone guy bearly able to stand just run at a doorman as described being in peak physical condition etc and was flattened by his charge . Took the wind clean out of his sail .

Your technique for him would be different than that of a drunk boxer or a skinny small fella !!!! Each Different opponant requires taught and an amount of respect that he could hurt you . You have to be able to adapt your own fighting style . My back grounds are kenpo + shika do black belts and MMA to a decent level . I started my training in 84 and have been humbeled on my road by under estimating people .

What i could do you prob wouldnt ?- physically im 6'1" 17 stone fit and strong
What you could do i prob wouldnt ? Im not that flexable anymore

RoboRat

but would disagree an agresser is an agresser

There are always going to be situations that are out of left field such as a 30 stone Rhino running at you but in most cases Peetrik is right. There is no 100% solution (the bouncer should have been aware though, bad judgement on his part).

I seen a skinny lad knock a good fighter out with a lucky punch. 999 times out of 1,000 the other guy would have knocked the **** out of the skinny guy, but the moons were all aligned for the skinny bloke that time.

I think most seasoned fighters don't underestimate people as we have all been caught at some stage - I remember doing jits and taking it easy with a 15 year old African kid, I was going light and just doing positional work to try and help him learn and he caught me with an elbow to the eye that nearly left me blind in that eye.

Problem with a lot of bouncers is that they do weights and they think that muscle and strength makes them great fighters (I am an ex bouncer so I know what I am talking about here).

Peetrik

truebluesac wrote: »

Your technique for him would be different than that of a drunk boxer or a skinny small fella !!!! Each Different opponant requires taught and an amount of respect that he could hurt you . You have to be able to adapt your own fighting style .

My tactics might change, my techniques would be the same boring bread and butter techniques I've thrown thousands and thousands of times, day in day out, year in year out against people of various shapes and sizes all of which are doing their very best to punch me in the head.

Niall Keane

Ah, Lads, you are both correct.

In a striking art you will use the same techniques e.g. jab, cross, hook etc. and vary tactics e.g. move and evade and pick off (box) a big fooker and try to corner a smaller faster opponent (fight)? normally - though there are exceptions. Fighting a bigger opponent but bringing him down through feints draws choice of combos etc. think of Tyson?

In wrestling your choice of technique is related to the tactics employed more so, no point in trying to jump up and headlock a giant, or suplex a 30 stone ball of fat? IN stand-up wrestling, Trying to shoot from standing (as opposed kneeling) against a much shorter opponent puts you at risk of over leaning / losing balance. etc. etc. Basically specific techniques carry with them "general" strengths and weaknesses against different opponent types.

you know this lads!

Either way, all has to be practiced against resistance thousands of times of course.

It has impressed me that the forum seems to have matured based some of the earlier posts, the bandwaggon false logic is finally being challenged a bit more frequently and earlier.
When people have the cop on to state that there are as many dreamers in MMA as anywhere we are starting to arrive at reality. If a lad does an hour a week at MMA or Kung Fu he will be equally useless, likewise a pro MMA fighter or a pro Sanda fighter will both go through a pissed asshole (as they have been called ;-) ) like a knife through butter.

And the bullsh1t about training methods is just that, they differ in every gym, but are remarkable similar in intensity. Comparing Tai Chi taught to elderly citizens with professional MT / MMA etc. is as ridiculous as comparing boxcercise with professional sanshou / sanda programmes.(though this can be convenient for marketing purposes) Also any purported studies on training methods are lies, I have never had reports of any study being carried out in any kung fu gym that produce sanshou / sanda athletes, and I have more than a handful of international connections. Not one!!! The real question then is why do people need to tell such lies? what do they hope to achieve? There is nothing lower than the man who can only feel tall by tearing others down!

So buyer beware! Forget style! like any art form In Martial Arts Picasso's are rare! check the gym out! (Even Picasso's produce sh1t from time to time to cover the bills!)

And if its going to work, chances are it will be demanding on time and physically even mentally, you will hate the conditioning at first! You will probably be amazed at the world of understanding it opens up, and the positive personal impact his will generate. It's kinda like driving a car, now you can go anywhere as you like, but you have to maintain the bast@rd!

Dyr

the front page on this website has some of the most concise advice on what to look for in self defence training. It's geared more towards American audience but most of it is still relevant


http://shivworks.com/

truebluesac

Without getting into this in to much depth throughout the years iv done door work , close protection and a few other bits . Each situation demands a fresh perspective . The same techniques dont always work for different reasons . Enviorments , multipel attackers , armed attacker , type of attack weather it being somone trying to kill you , a drunkard just in your face or a fan getting to an artist ,

What would work on a boxer may not work on a jujitsu / judo or Mma practisioner and likewise what may work on a bad ass street fighter / gangster

Never get stagnat in your taught process

Peetrik

truebluesac wrote: »

What would work on a boxer may not work on a jujitsu / judo or Mma practisioner and likewise what may work on a bad ass street fighter / gangster

This is my point. Punches that are thrown properly (punches from boxing, thai, mma etc) "work" on everyone regardless of background or lack of background.

If a punch works on a boxer who competes then you can be sure it'll work on everyone else too.

Doug Cartel

truebluesac wrote: »

What would work on a boxer may not work on a jujitsu / judo or Mma practisioner

I don't entirely disagree with you, but you need to be careful about treating martial arts like pokemon.

truebluesac

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I don't entirely disagree with you, but you need to be careful about treating martial arts like pokemon.

What ya mean by that

MRnotlob606

hapkido

truebluesac

Punchs may not work on big guys (rugby likes ) or drug fuled lunatics . A well placed kick to a knee would halt an advancing attacker

Again if an attacker had a knife id have a different approach .

Gumbi

F*cking fantastic video by Matt there.