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Draft Civil Summons

  • 02-12-2013 10:25pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20


    I have an on going issue with a mobile phone company who are chasing me for 115 euro which I believe I do not owe. Today I received a Draft Civil Summons from a firm of solicitors acting on their behalf. Is there such a thing - I would have thought that you either get a summons or not.
    Can anyone advise me? thanks


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 onthebrink


    Fred,
    It has no court office stamp and the court date is to be confirmed which is why I had my doubts whether it was legal or not.
    I don't owe any money as I terminated the contract which is why I have been ignoring the correspondence from the solicitors.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭Bepolite


    Demands for payment of debt causing alarm, etc.

    11.—(1) A person who makes any demand for payment of a debt shall be guilty of an offence if—

    (a) the demands by reason of their frequency are calculated to subject the debtor or a member of the family of the debtor to alarm, distress or humiliation, or

    (b) the person falsely represents that criminal proceedings lie for non-payment of the debt, or

    (c) the person falsely represents that he or she is authorised in some official capacity to enforce payment, or

    (d) the person utters a document falsely represented to have an official character.

    (2) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,500.

    Does that not fall foul of the above? I'm not asserting it does, I'm just curious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    return to sender with your own processing charge.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Bepolite wrote: »
    Does that not fall foul of the above? I'm not asserting it does, I'm just curious.

    I wouldn't think so, especially since they are calling it a draft Civil Summons.

    If they sent a fake court decree, they'll be in trouble though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    No it certainly doesnt fall into the offence above. It says right there on it, "draft civil summons". They are just saying if you dont pay up, we have this drafted and ready to stamp and send to you. Simple as that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    I think what was sent was cod.

    However the enquirer should set out his position in a letter to the claimant before a proper summons arrives. That may help credibility in court and with costs.

    However it the claim arises from a transaction over six years ago, don't correspond


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Sala


    It's a draft because they don't want to pay the stamp duty. No point if you only owe them 115


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 amulet


    sʞuɐɥʇ ¿uo ʇoƃ noʎ ʍoɥ ƃuıɹəpuoʍ ʇsnɾ ¡¡ʎuɐdɯoɔ əuoɟ əƃɹɐl ɐ ɯoɹɟ ƃuıpuɐʇsʇno llıq ɐ oʇ ənp ʎɐpoʇ əuo ɹɐlıɯıs ɐ ʇoƃ ı 'ɐʎʍoɥ


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,774 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    amulet wrote: »
    sʞuɐɥʇ ¿uo ʇoƃ noʎ ʍoɥ ƃuıɹəpuoʍ ʇsnɾ ¡¡ʎuɐdɯoɔ əuoɟ əƃɹɐl ɐ ɯoɹɟ ƃuıpuɐʇsʇno llıq ɐ oʇ ənp ʎɐpoʇ əuo ɹɐlıɯıs ɐ ʇoƃ ı 'ɐʎʍoɥ
    Moderator: please do not use all CAPS. It is considered to be SHOUTING and it is not appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 amulet


    apolgies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    I never saw this the first time around.

    Is this a common practice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


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    That smells quite fishy to me in a way; you can put anything ina draft with no consequences.

    I'm surprised the Law Society allows the practice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    There isn't anything dishonest about this practise.

    The only reason that it doesn't happen more often is that sometimes it achieves nothing. It is probably better to get proceedings issued, served, and moving towards a hearing date.

    Many insurers request draft proceedings from the plaintiff's solicitors before nominating their own solicitors to accept service of proceedings.


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