CO2 Emisisons - Definitive Database?

traco

Looking at importing a car and I've been using cartell to check the CO2 to calculate tax rates.

My question is that I'm see the odd car advertised on UK/NI with VRT quoted and rad tax a rate and yet when I check the reg the CO2 that comes up has it in a higher bracket. Alsosome of teh figures on autotrader vary when compared to cartell

Apart from the certificate with the car is their any other way to verify? Are you fairly safe with the cartell results or is there any other compehensive database out there for models etc?

bazz26

Revenue use the figure that is listed on the car's V5 registration document. Ask the seller what figure is on the V5 document.

pa990

There is no definitive list.

Co2 levels for a car can change depending on what spec the initial buyer decides upon, whee size, etc
also, manufactures can make slight changes to models through out the year resulting in the same car of the same year with the same spec having a different Co2 rating

No way to know without seeing what it says on the V5

or you could put the reg into www.cartell.ie and see if it gives the Co2 details

listermint

It would be interesting if they switched to a system of CO2 test prior to VRTing a car to see what its actually putting out. rather than some vacant factory figure from years ago.

traco

I've been using cartell - it gives the CO2 figures for UK and NI reg but funnily enough not for irish ones.

This add says €280 per year but the reg in cartell gives a CO2 figure that makes it €390

Registration WJ09TXW
Make SKODA
Model SUPERB
Description SE TDI
Fuel Type Diesel
CO2 (g/km)* 155
VRT % Rate ** 23

I haven't checked the VRT calculator to see if that figure is correct and inline with the cartell VRT rate.

It would appear so that cartell is teh only option apart from seeing the V5. It just seems like there can be a lot of movement in 08/09 from engine to engine and make to make even with them all being 2.0

CiniO

listermint wrote: »

It would be interesting if they switched to a system of CO2 test prior to VRTing a car to see what its actually putting out. rather than some vacant factory figure from years ago.

How would you imagine doing that?
CO2 in g/km (grams per km) is a measure that can't just be checked on the spot same way as poisonous gases are being checked at NCT by just putting a sensor to exhaust pipe. Those (CO, HC, etc) are measured as percentage of exhaust gasses - f.e. if CO is more than 0.5% of exhaust gasses then it's a fail.
That can be measured on the spot.

How would you check how much weight of CO2 is emitted per kilometre driven?

listermint

CiniO wrote: »

How would you imagine doing that?
CO2 in g/km (grams per km) is a measure that can't just be checked on the spot same way as poisonous gases are being checked at NCT by just putting a sensor to exhaust pipe. Those (CO, HC, etc) are measured as percentage of exhaust gasses - f.e. if CO is more than 0.5% of exhaust gasses then it's a fail.
That can be measured on the spot.

How would you check how much weight of CO2 is emitted per kilometre driven?

Well i suppose if it was truly for the environment that all this CO2 nonsense was for then some unit fitted to vehicles to test and then it gets IRL certification.

Id imagine most cars are no where near the CO2 emmisions that are on their tax bill.

Marcusm

listermint wrote: »

Well i suppose if it was truly for the environment that all this CO2 nonsense was for then some unit fitted to vehicles to test and then it gets IRL certification.

Id imagine most cars are no where near the CO2 emmisions that are on their tax bill.

Of course they're not and some cars are specifically tuned to perform well on the test which, to my knowledge, is undertaken on a rolling road which can synthesise a specified test to EU homologated standards.

The point is that they specified CO2 numbers are representative not that they are actual.

CiniO

listermint wrote: »

Well i suppose if it was truly for the environment that all this CO2 nonsense was for then some unit fitted to vehicles to test and then it gets IRL certification.

Id imagine most cars are no where near the CO2 emmisions that are on their tax bill.

CO2 emissions in g/km are directly related to fuel consumption.
As general rule, the more fuel efficient car is, the lower CO2 emissions.

So those CO2 emissions also greatly depend where and how you drive your car. You might emit very little if you are cruising at stable speed of 80km/h on empty road, and you can probably emit 3x that or more, if you floor your between each set of traffic lights in city driving, and then take it for motorway spin at 200km/h.

bazz26

traco wrote: »

I've been using cartell - it gives the CO2 figures for UK and NI reg but funnily enough not for irish ones.

This add says €280 per year but the reg in cartell gives a CO2 figure that makes it €390

Registration WJ09TXW
Make SKODA
Model SUPERB
Description SE TDI
Fuel Type Diesel
CO2 (g/km)* 155
VRT % Rate ** 23

I haven't checked the VRT calculator to see if that figure is correct and inline with the cartell VRT rate.

It would appear so that cartell is teh only option apart from seeing the V5. It just seems like there can be a lot of movement in 08/09 from engine to engine and make to make even with them all being 2.0

Is the seller a dealer?

traco

Don't think he is an official dealer but has 3 cars listed on donedeal and a caravan?!?!? All cars are UK and none VRT'd or NCT'd. Don't know anything about him but guess he's dealing from his house but have't a clue to be honest.

I only stumbled accross it as I was searching to see what was available locally without traveling to UK myself, the tax triggered my interest as most 2.0 I saw are 390 and some 570 in tax

bazz26

Well if he is not registered as a dealer then legally he should not be selling you a car on foreign plates. I'd also be scrutinising the type of cars with a big microscope these type of guys are bringing in to sell on here. €10k including VRT seems cheap to me for a sub 100k mile 2009 Superb.

pa990

CiniO wrote: »

..... then take it for motorway spin at 200km/h.

+1

Only to clean the DPF of course