Thinking of buying my 1st cow

naughto

Thinking of buying my 1st cow more than likely be a pure breed.what would ye recommended it will be on my brothers farm

Kovu

naughto wrote: »

Thinking of buying my 1st cow more than likely be a pure breed.what would ye recommended it will be on my brothers farm

Your 1st cow, and there was me thinking you were an auld fella:eek:

Why a PB, may I ask? The market is becoming flooded with average ones these days.
If you're set on it, what's your preference, much easier to appreciate an animal for itself as a breed you like, rather than for profit. (although that's nice too)

naughto

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Your 1st cow, and there was me thinking you were an auld fella:eek:

Why a PB, may I ask? The market is becoming flooded with average ones these days.
If you're set on it, what's your preference, much easier to appreciate an animal for itself as a breed you like, rather than for profit. (although that's nice too)

Iam only 33an half.my brother owns the farm I am just the help,he would do all the buying,selling. I have a bit of money so was thinking of going down this line, I can't ever see my self owning my own place.
He has Pb limos,I am not that gone on them very little milk and a f!ucker to get some of them incalk.
I am looking at charolais,or a blonde

Kovu

naughto wrote: »

Iam only 33an half.my brother owns the farm I am just the help,he would do all the buying,selling. I have a bit of money so was thinking of going down this line, I can't ever see my self owning my own place.
He has Pb limos,I am not that gone on them very little milk and a f!ucker to get some of them incalk.
I am looking at charolais,or a blonde

I have a love for blondes so I will be getting a PB one of those sooner rather than later. Never had much trouble getting the pb LM incalf here and none of them are wicked (some of them are our quietest cows after calving)
Milk can be a problem but with the right breeding it's not an issue.
For that matter, some of those CH cows have less milk than a cat:D

on the river

Shorthorn cross cow is ideal for any sucker heard. They provide great milk for their offspring

TITANIUM.

Kovu Murr wrote: »

I have a love for blondes so I will be getting a PB one of those sooner rather than later. Never had much trouble getting the pb LM incalf here and none of them are wicked (some of them are our quietest cows after calving)
Milk can be a problem but with the right breeding it's not an issue.
For that matter, some of those CH cows have less milk than a cat:D

Ya I have pd charolais's here.
Great cattle but you have to keep a close eye on um breeding with regards to milk.
Kovu is right, Some r very poor.
If you have a gra for blonds go that way since twill only b a hobby for you from what I gather from your post's.
Best of luck with it sure twill b abit of craic anyway.

on the river

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Ya I have pd charolais's here.
Great cattle but you have to keep a close eye on um breeding with regards to milk.
Kovu is right, Some r very poor.
If you have a gra for blonds go that way since twill only b a hobby for you from what I gather from your post's.
Best of luck with it sure twill b abit of craic anyway.

Rubbish. Charolais have no milk whatsover unless you cross them with a dual purpose breed. Charolais are great finishers but average mothers.

TITANIUM.

on the river wrote: »

Rubbish. Charolais have no milk whatsover unless you cross them with a dual purpose breed. Charolais are great finishers but average mothers.

I beg to differ. Breed Maternal and their fine. You wont have surplus in fairness.
Have you pd charolais's yourself?

on the river

TITANIUM. wrote: »

I beg to differ. Breed Maternal and their fine. You wont have surplus in fairness.
Have you pd charolais's yourself?

All research into cattle breeds show charolais are milkless animals. Although i do admitt from personal experience they are quiet and well made animals.

I had two pd from Npp which did not have the milk for the calf. It is a pity they are quality animals all the same.:)

TITANIUM.

on the river wrote: »

All research into cattle breeds show charolais are milkless animals. Although i do admitt from personal experience they are quiet and well made animals.

I had two pd from Npp which did not have the milk for the calf. It is a pity they are quality animals all the same.:)

"Milkless" I wouldn't go that far myself I my own experience.
Npp only has 3 and half stars within the breed for milk ald youd hav to take into account their mothers ratings as well. He only has a maternal rating of €55, so there's your problem straight away.
Ive a cow here off Repair. Maternal index of €95, 5stars within breed a full 3stars accross all breeds for milk. All while maintaining a terminal index of €92, now thats very good IMHO. She has plenty of milk for her calves.
Your right tho tis a shame some r so poor.

on the river

TITANIUM. wrote: »

"Milkless" I wouldn't go that far myself I my own experience.
Npp only has 3 and half stars within the breed for milk ald youd hav to take into account their mothers ratings as well. He only has a maternal rating of €55, so there's your problem straight away.
Ive a cow here off Repair. Maternal index of €95, 5stars within breed a full 3stars accross all breeds for milk. All while maintaining a terminal index of €92, now thats very good IMHO. She has plenty of milk for her calves.
Your right tho tis a shame some r so poor.

Fair point you made. Do you have exclusaivly charolais or do you keep any other breeds ?

TITANIUM.

on the river wrote: »

Fair point you made. Do you have exclusaivly charolais or do you keep any other breeds ?

Ah we only have a small Pd Herd.
The suckler herd has bits of everything in it.

reality19

naughto wrote: »

Thinking of buying my 1st cow more than likely be a pure breed.what would ye recommended it will be on my brothers farm

Is it allowed by Dept of Ag to keep an animal you own yourself on your brother's farm ?

Kovu

reality19 wrote: »

Is it allowed by Dept of Ag to keep an animal you own yourself on your brother's farm ?

If it's in his herd number yes. I have 3 animals in my fathers herd no.

naughto

i would have it in his herd number but it would be mine.i also better tell him that iam thinking of doing this,so if your reading this brother......
i think the key is to try and get a cow with plenty if milk for the calf to make a right job of them,that is the problem with the limos that he has they have no milk,no point having a smasher of a calf only for it not to thrive do to lack of milk.

bogman_bass

The way I see it, every man and his dog has PB limos or charolais so go for the blonde and have a better chance of getting near the top

Bizzum

bogman_bass wrote: »

The way I see it, every man and his dog has PB limos or charolais so go for the blonde and have a better chance of getting near the top

Sounds like as good a plan as any to me.

Of course the really astute go for Parthenaise :-)

No matter what ya go for, buy the very best one ya can.

Conor556

reality19 wrote: »

Is it allowed by Dept of Ag to keep an animal you own yourself on your brother's farm ?

Yes you can he can just put it into his brothers herd number, ive 7 cows in my fathers name and the weanlings upto a few weeks back, also you cold get your name put on the herd number aswell I think,, it is something that im looking into.

naughto

would that have the tax/social welfare man asking questions?

bob charles

beef shorthorn I would try, just to be a little different. I bought PB shorthorns bulls last year for feeding and the performance they done and graded out would give most breeds a run for their money

Conor556

naughto wrote: »

would that have the tax/social welfare man asking questions?

Id say so but I havnt got an ating yet over them looking for tax money off me from the stock I sell,,, but to be fair when I sell stock id say I give him quarter of the money from them and I also pay for some of the silage fert and meal, and also put a few pound towards the shed we put up lst year.

naughto

What are your thoughts on bb pure breeds?

Bodacious

naughto wrote: »

What are your thoughts on bb pure breeds?

I wouldnt for your first cow and if you not there all the time as she most probably when given a BB straw will require C sections

hugo29

i would try a simmental, I know lads complain about them, but they bring a lot to the table

on the river

hugo29 wrote: »

i would try a simmental, I know lads complain about them, but they bring a lot to the table

Please expand on that statement.

hugo29

on the river wrote: »

Please expand on that statement.

people say that they can be big framed and hard fed, i have always found that if you can get the right size simmental cow, and cross her to a good terminal sire ( ch or bb) she will never let you down on calf quality or milk

im sure plenty of fellas disagree,

on the river

hugo29 wrote: »

people say that they can be big framed and hard fed, i have always found that if you can get the right size simmental cow, and cross her to a good terminal sire ( ch or bb) she will never let you down on calf quality or milk

im sure plenty of fellas disagree,

What ch and si sires do you use ?

Bizzum

Upon reflection, looking at the figures the lads posted in the chit chat thread, the only cow to buy is a milker! :-)

Bizzum

on the river wrote: »

What ch and si sires do you use ?

Here's a decent Sim heifer out of a Ch cow.

hugo29

Bizzum wrote: »

Here's a decent Sim heifer out of a Ch cow.

sweet, breeding or selling bizz

hugo29

on the river wrote: »

What ch and si sires do you use ?

have a few young sim cows out of BARNATTIN TIGER,
look up the sim breeder website, there is a lad in rosses point in sligo who breeds great cows, see what bulls he recommends
as for CH sire there is so many, my stock bull breeds out of ADA, cf52 was a super bull. so was CF85 but both are gone i think, if you can get a lad breeding out of these then you wont go to far wrong but you really need to look up the ratings for each bull

on the river

hugo29 wrote: »

have a few young sim cows out of BARNATTIN TIGER,
look up the sim breeder website, there is a lad in rosses point in sligo who breeds great cows, see what bulls he recommends
as for CH sire there is so many, my stock bull breeds out of ADA, cf52 was a super bull. so was CF85 but both are gone i think, if you can get a lad breeding out of these then you wont go to far wrong but you really need to look up the ratings for each bull

Does progressive gentics still supply cf85 straws ?

on the river

Bizzum wrote: »

Here's a decent Sim heifer out of a Ch cow.

Great animals.

How old are they and what sire is it ?

hugo29

on the river wrote: »

Does progressive gentics still supply cf85 straws ?

not really sure, been a few years since i used AI to be honest
look up their web site

Bizzum

hugo29 wrote: »

sweet, breeding or selling bizz

Breeding all going well with her. She's by Kilbride Farm Newry (KFY) out of a Sylvain Charolais cow. That pic is from a few months back, she's a powerful heifer now.

Bizzum

on the river wrote: »

Great animals.

How old are they and what sire is it ?

By KFY (gone now I'm told) and she's a Feb calf. She's still running on the cow.