Ladies Gaelic moving to main GAA movement

Tomjim

Anyone know anything about the ladies LGFA becoming part of the main GAA organisation, there was a headline on Hogan Stand about it a few weeks ago

rebel girl 15

Hogan stand piece came from the fact that Liam O Neill spoke at the ladies central council meeting on that night - afaik there is a motion going to clubs about it, but it won't be passed

skylady

Girls/women's football under GAA as soon as possible please.

rebel girl 15

skylady wrote: »

Girls/women's football under GAA as soon as possible please.

Why?

skylady

Become so farcical in our county where volunteers from clubs have to cart soup sandwiches etc 15/20 mile in their own cars to feed our county ladies after training - surely they deserve more respect - needless to say clubs don't have to do it for our men county players.
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My 11 year old daughter has to pay €33 to play GAA - my 16 year old son pays nothing to play GAA !!

Necro

skylady wrote: »

Become so farcical in our county where volunteers from clubs have to cart soup sandwiches etc 15/20 mile in their own cars to feed our county ladies after training - surely they deserve more respect - needless to say clubs don't have to do it for our men county players.
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My 11 year old daughter has to pay €33 to play GAA - my 16 year old son pays nothing to play GAA !!

Are you sure about that? Most clubs have membership fees for all players and I know anyone who hasn't paid up at our club (mens) would be left on the bench for insurance purposes!
But I do agree they should all be under the one umbrella - our men's and ladies clubs have no clue what each of them are doing currently!

RoyalCelt

skylady wrote: »

Become so farcical in our county where volunteers from clubs have to cart soup sandwiches etc 15/20 mile in their own cars to feed our county ladies after training - surely they deserve more respect - needless to say clubs don't have to do it for our men county players.
and
My 11 year old daughter has to pay €33 to play GAA - my 16 year old son pays nothing to play GAA !!

if the ladies GAA joined the GAA and become one organization things like that might happen less often. But yes men get prioritized in sport and that's due to it being more popular to spectators and playing numbers. It's unfortunate and not likely to change too soon.

nice_guy80

In a lot of clubs the ladies football and camogie actually want to stay separate.

skylady

My understanding is that the problem is with the Ladies Association who want to stay separate including my own county. My daughter ( and all females) who loves playing GAA deserves the same rights as her older brother but she has no choice next year (entering U14) but become part of the LGFA.
Such a waste/ duplication of resources - financial, 'man'power etc at club county and national level.
The GAA are willing (and could not if they wanted to ) exclude females but the LGFA won't go under the same umbrella. And all would be treated equally - parity of resources - the GAA would have ( and in my opinion would have no problem doing so) treat all equally.
Farcical situation of two siblings playing for county team - at county training the lad gets fed by the caterers whereas we in the clubs bring soup/sandwiches in the back of our cars to the girl equally working as hard to represent our county - unbelievable!!
Underage girls county squads using a mismash of old jerseys to make up a playable set - just imagine that happening to boys!!
Really looking forward to my 12 year old daughter becoming part of this set up next year !!
Get under one umbrella/ taking from one financial pot and no choice but all will be treated equally.
We women have to speak up and be treated equally and not accept second best.

Danno

skylady wrote: »

We women have to speak up and be treated equally and not accept second best.

Totally agree, but just be sure to point out that it is self inflicted inequality that is the crux of the problem!

dixiefly

skylady wrote: »

My understanding is that the problem is with the Ladies Association who want to stay separate including my own county. My daughter ( and all females) who loves playing GAA deserves the same rights as her older brother but she has no choice next year (entering U14) but become part of the LGFA.
Such a waste/ duplication of resources - financial, 'man'power etc at club county and national level.
The GAA are willing (and could not if they wanted to ) exclude females but the LGFA won't go under the same umbrella. And all would be treated equally - parity of resources - the GAA would have ( and in my opinion would have no problem doing so) treat all equally.
Farcical situation of two siblings playing for county team - at county training the lad gets fed by the caterers whereas we in the clubs bring soup/sandwiches in the back of our cars to the girl equally working as hard to represent our county - unbelievable!!
Underage girls county squads using a mismash of old jerseys to make up a playable set - just imagine that happening to boys!!
Really looking forward to my 12 year old daughter becoming part of this set up next year !!
Get under one umbrella/ taking from one financial pot and no choice but all will be treated equally.
We women have to speak up and be treated equally and not accept second best.

I agree with you. The situation regarding charges for girls is a blight on the GAA as a whole.
In Meath every girl that plays aged over 10 years has to pay 50 euro. This is made up of county board, leinster council and national association costs as well as insurance. Our club made a number of efforts to sort it but no real progress made. For instance, the girls could utilise the clubs insurance and should not be forced to participate in the Ladies GAA one. Also, the Leinster council & Central council of Ladies GAA should not be charging a levy on every girl playing to fund their activities.

Afaik, in Meath a boys team as a whole is registered and the costs are less so the cost per boy is way less. In our club boys cost 30 euro and girls 50euro to register and, ironically, the boys memberships help fund the girls side as the full 50 from the girls goes on co board registration!

My daughter was a relatively weak player and we paid 50 euro 3 years in a row and she hardly played a game!! Needless to say she is no longer involved.

The fault is probably a combination of theoverall GAA and the Ladies GAA for not sorting out this blatant discrimination. The main GAA are getting more sponsorship, gate receipts on the mens side and keep it on their side, the Ladies GAA need to work on all aspects of their cost structure.

Lets hope the day comes soon when some clever barrister has a girl playing foolball and they take the main GAA and Ladies GAA to the cleaners on this.

nice_guy80

dixiefly wrote: »

I agree with you. The situation regarding charges for girls is a blight on the GAA as a whole.
In Meath every girl that plays aged over 10 years has to pay 50 euro. This is made up of county board, leinster council and national association costs as well as insurance. Our club made a number of efforts to sort it but no real progress made. For instance, the girls could utilise the clubs insurance and should not be forced to participate in the Ladies GAA one. Also, the Leinster council & Central council of Ladies GAA should not be charging a levy on every girl playing to fund their activities.

Afaik, in Meath a boys team as a whole is registered and the costs are less so the cost per boy is way less. In our club boys cost 30 euro and girls 50euro to register and, ironically, the boys memberships help fund the girls side as the full 50 from the girls goes on co board registration!

My daughter was a relatively weak player and we paid 50 euro 3 years in a row and she hardly played a game!! Needless to say she is no longer involved.

The fault is probably a combination of theoverall GAA and the Ladies GAA for not sorting out this blatant discrimination. The main GAA are getting more sponsorship, gate receipts on the mens side and keep it on their side, the Ladies GAA need to work on all aspects of their cost structure.

Lets hope the day comes soon when some clever barrister has a girl playing foolball and they take the main GAA and Ladies GAA to the cleaners on this.

Let her take up golf.
See how much that costs...

dixiefly

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Let her take up golf.
See how much that costs...

She can decide what to take up herself and I know well how much golf costs thank you very much.

The issue relates to inconsistencies between boys and girls registration fees.

Maybe you have a girl playing and dont care about the cost. The costs as such werent a major issue to me as I could afford it but the inconsistencies were an issue and more so for some families.

Necro

dixiefly wrote: »

She can decide what to take up herself and I know well how much golf costs thank you very much.

The issue relates to inconsistencies between boys and girls registration fees.

Maybe you have a girl playing and dont care about the cost. The costs as such werent a major issue to me as I could afford it but the inconsistencies were an issue and more so for some families.

Honestly though, that is something the ladies clubs need to come together and rally against. The similar Players injury scheme for men is covered out of membership and fundraising. AFAIK it costs upwards of €200 per underage team plus €1000 per adult team on the men's side per year. This covers a whole host of things that the club's insurance simply wouldn't.
For example, our (mens) club paid €2200 for this scheme this year. Public liability is covered under our county board fees so no need for the club to cover themselves.
Every club charges membership, our underage lads pay €30 up to u-18 and are charged €80 thereafter. I do think that charging €50 for underage girls is far too much but you need to attend your ladies club AGM and tackle them over fees as we set them every year at that point.

premierstone

dixiefly wrote: »

I agree with you. The situation regarding charges for girls is a blight on the GAA as a whole.
In Meath every girl that plays aged over 10 years has to pay 50 euro. This is made up of county board, leinster council and national association costs as well as insurance. Our club made a number of efforts to sort it but no real progress made. For instance, the girls could utilise the clubs insurance and should not be forced to participate in the Ladies GAA one. Also, the Leinster council & Central council of Ladies GAA should not be charging a levy on every girl playing to fund their activities.

Afaik, in Meath a boys team as a whole is registered and the costs are less so the cost per boy is way less. In our club boys cost 30 euro and girls 50euro to register and, ironically, the boys memberships help fund the girls side as the full 50 from the girls goes on co board registration!

My daughter was a relatively weak player and we paid 50 euro 3 years in a row and she hardly played a game!! Needless to say she is no longer involved.

The fault is probably a combination of theoverall GAA and the Ladies GAA for not sorting out this blatant discrimination. The main GAA are getting more sponsorship, gate receipts on the mens side and keep it on their side, the Ladies GAA need to work on all aspects of their cost structure.

Lets hope the day comes soon when some clever barrister has a girl playing foolball and they take the main GAA and Ladies GAA to the cleaners on this.

Your grievances are perfectly valid and I understand your frustration and anger, but from reading your last two paragraphs I can tell you that your target is misplaced, this is no doing of the GAA at all, it is the ladies body who are dragging their feet and a few self preserving elitists don't want a merger. They are convinced that if a merger takes place they will simply be swallowed up and fade into irrelevance, the GAA have never put any obstacle in the way of a merger.

nice_guy80

Plus the Ladies don't want to lose their separate government grants and funding for encouraging 'ladies sports'

skylady

From LGFA Congress

Recommendations

Management
1. That Cumann Peil Gael na mBan commences negotiations with the GAA and Cumann Camogaíochta with the view to the establishment of structures that will facilitate the promotion and management of all Gaelic Games within the one organisation. Passed

nice_guy80

skylady wrote: »

From LGFA Congress

Recommendations

Management
1. That Cumann Peil Gael na mBan commences negotiations with the GAA and Cumann Camogaíochta with the view to the establishment of structures that will facilitate the promotion and management of all Gaelic Games within the one organisation. Passed

Of course it was passed.
But its only at negotiation stage.

Boom__Boom

premierstone wrote: »

Your grievances are perfectly valid and I understand your frustration and anger, but from reading your last two paragraphs I can tell you that your target is misplaced, this is no doing of the GAA at all, it is the ladies body who are dragging their feet and a few self preserving elitists don't want a merger. They are convinced that if a merger takes place they will simply be swallowed up and fade into irrelevance, the GAA have never put any obstacle in the way of a merger.

Yeah - I've never heard even a whisper of the GAA being opposed to the deal ; everything I've ever heard suggests that it is/was the ladies body who are reluctant on coming under the auspices of the GAA.

It makes far too much sense not to happen - maybe 20-30 years back there might have been a cultural issue and a fear that the "ladies" wouldn't get a fair shake, but I really can't see that happening nowadays.

skylady

Well done Ulster LGFA and Ulster GAA for hosting both the Ladies Ulster Final and mens semi final in Clones this afternoon.

RoyalCelt

skylady wrote: »

Well done Ulster LGFA and Ulster GAA for hosting both the Ladies Ulster Final and mens semi final in Clones this afternoon.

who played in the ladies match and what sort of crows was in to watch it?

rebel girl 15

RoyalCelt wrote: »

who played in the ladies match and what sort of crows was in to watch it?

Armagh and Monaghan, Armagh causing an upset in defeating last years All Ireland finalists Monaghan who were looking to defend their Ulster crown

RoyalCelt

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Armagh and Monaghan, Armagh causing an upset in defeating last years All Ireland finalists Monaghan who were looking to defend their Ulster crown

much of a crowd head in early to watch them? great initiative and needs to be done more.

skylady

Yes good crowd in early. However Monaghan didn't perform to their usual high standards which was a pity when they had such a big audience but well done to Armagh - a team for the future I think.

Prop Joe

skylady wrote: »

Well done Ulster LGFA and Ulster GAA for hosting both the Ladies Ulster Final and mens semi final in Clones this afternoon.

This is why they all need to come under the one umbrella.There is an issue with gate receipts which make this types of double headers rare.

Ladies Football & Camogie should where possible be played as double headers with Minor,U 21,Senior games..Exposure is key

RoyalCelt

Prop Joe wrote: »

This is why they all need to come under the one umbrella.There is an issue with gate receipts which make this types of double headers rare.

Ladies Football & Camogie should where possible be played as double headers with Minor,U 21,Senior games..Exposure is key

Exactly. You will get plenty of girls going to mens senior matches that will never see the woman unless they do double headers. Best way to get the woman gaa fans supporting the ladies and maybe even taking up the sport.

AugustusMinimus

Women's Gaelic sports have a crazy setup.

Why is it that there is seperate associations for both Ladies Gaelic Football and Camoige ? That only complicates things even further than they should be.

rebel girl 15

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Exactly. You will get plenty of girls going to mens senior matches that will never see the woman unless they do double headers. Best way to get the woman gaa fans supporting the ladies and maybe even taking up the sport.

Won't happen - its different in Ulster, given the prominence of Armagh and Monaghan as teams, who have superb followings anyway and will travel to finals. Last years AI final, despite Cork playing in the hurling final the night before, Cork supporters were outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 by the Monaghan support - cost of AI final ticket was €25 I think, off the top of my head.

Cork v Dublin U21 semi final was played before the Cork v Waterford hurling game and it was a shambles. Lot of people missed the first 15/20 minutes of the game due to the gates not being open. Very poor crowd at it as well. Ulster is different, where the ladies and men's board are working much closely together because of the funding that they are getting from SportNI

Double headers aren't going to be the key to it either - its women getting out and supporting their own. I wouldn't get to many of the ladies games since I'm based abroad, but I will fly in for the finals every year no problem. When I'm at home I'll get to all the games I can, especially involving Cork. Problem is there isn't that many of us!

TG4 have done wonders at helping raise the profile level of ladies football, covering so many games

rebel girl 15

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Women's Gaelic sports have a crazy setup.

Why is it that there is seperate associations for both Ladies Gaelic Football and Camoige ? That only complicates things even further than they should be.

Simple reason - Camogie 110 year old, ladies football 41 years old

skylady

I'm in Ulster - in the '3 counties' - the two county boards are definitely not working together !