Club Member Figures??

Bugsy2000

I remember about two years ago I came across the list of the Top Ten clubs in the country in terms of registered members. Does anyone know where I can get a similar list for nowadays? I'm putting together a small (club) report on the DCM & I'm looking to find out the registered members in each club.

I though there may be something on the AAI website where they list the clubs by name & have the numbers in each club beside it but no joy?

Cheers.

ecoli

Bugsy2000 wrote: »

I remember about two years ago I came across the list of the Top Ten clubs in the country in terms of registered members. Does anyone know where I can get a similar list for nowadays? I'm putting together a small (club) report on the DCM & I'm looking to find out the registered members in each club.

I though there may be something on the AAI website where they list the clubs by name & have the numbers in each club beside it but no joy?

Cheers.

Most recent figures

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/month-end-registration-report-30th-2013-club.pdf

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/month-end-registration-report-september-2013-county.pdf

RayCun

there are more recent figures here
club
county

Here are the biggest clubs in each county, and all the clubs with over 300 members:

Galway City Harriers 1048
Kilkenny City Harriers 995
Dundrum South Dublin 793
Dunboyne (Meath) 785
Craughwell (Galway) 735
Crusaders (Dublin) 637
Leevale (Cork) 578
Clonmel AC (Tipperary) 561
Raheny Shamrock (Dublin) 542
Bandon (Cork) 528
Ratoath (Meath) 512
Sligo 478
Waterford 473
Clonliffe Harries (Dublin) 462
Drogheda & District (Louth) 422
Tullamore Harriers (Offaly) 391
St. Ronans (Roscommon) 378
Tallaght (Dublin) 372
Ferrybank (Waterford) 367
Brothers Pearse (Dublin) 361
Donore Harriers (Dublin) 357
Athenry (Galway) 352
Greystones & District (Wicklow) 348
Kilcoole (Wicklow) 345
Shercock (Cavan) 342
Ballina (Mayo) 341
Finn Valley (Donegal) 340
Nenagh Olympic (Tipp) 337
Blackrock (Dublin) 333
Glenmore (Louth) 327
Le Cheile (Kildare) 322
Templemore (Tipp) 315
Letterkenny (Donegal) 313
St Laurence O'Toole (Carlow) 313
Dunleer (Louth) 308
Naas (Kildare) 306
Boyne (Louth) 306
Gneeveguilla (Kerry) 285
Ennis Track (Clare) 272
Portlaoise (Laois) 269
Carrick-on-Shannon (Leitrim) 253
Clones (Monaghan) 242
Mullingar Harriers (W/meath) 226
Ballymena & Antrim (Antrim) 216
Menapians (wexford) 202
Longford 141
Strabane Track Club (Tyrone) 16

Bugsy2000

Thanks lads, that's perfect.

AK333

RayCun wrote: »

there are more recent figures here
club
county

Here are the biggest clubs in each county, and all the clubs with over 300 members:

Galway City Harriers 1048
Kilkenny City Harriers 995
Dundrum South Dublin 793
Dunboyne (Meath) 785
Craughwell (Galway) 735
Crusaders (Dublin) 637
Leevale (Cork) 578
Clonmel AC (Tipperary) 561
Raheny Shamrock (Dublin) 542
Bandon (Cork) 528
Ratoath (Meath) 512
Sligo 478
Waterford 473

etc etc

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Chivito550

ecoli wrote: »

Most recent figures

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/month-end-registration-report-30th-2013-club.pdf

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/month-end-registration-report-september-2013-county.pdf

Nice stats there. Would be interesting to see a further breakdown. How many of those 4888 senior athletes run track races? How many of those run sprints? Jumps? That sort of thing.

average_runner

Amazing some clubs with big membership can't get facilities.
You wonder does the council look at the numbers and also are clubs willing to take debt on?

Very surprised by the amount of clubs around rathfarham.
Do any of these have tracks?

Letyourselfgo

Tallaght would be the nearest track which sportsworld, Bros P and Rathfarnham all use from time to time.

spurscormac

I really couldn't resist.

RayCun wrote: »

Galway City Harriers 1048
Kilkenny City Harriers 995
Dundrum South Dublin 793
Dunboyne (Meath) 785
Craughwell (Galway) 735
Crusaders (Dublin) 637
Leevale (Cork) 578
Raheny Shamrock (Dublin) 542
Bandon (Cork) 528
Ratoath (Meath) 512
Sligo 478
Waterford 473
Clonliffe Harries (Dublin) 462
Drogheda & District (Louth) 422
Tullamore Harriers (Offaly) 391
St. Ronans (Roscommon) 378
Tallaght (Dublin) 372
Ferrybank (Waterford) 367
Brothers Pearse (Dublin) 361
Donore Harriers (Dublin) 357
Athenry (Galway) 352
Greystones & District (Wicklow) 348
Kilcoole (Wicklow) 345
Shercock (Cavan) 342
Ballina (Mayo) 341
Finn Valley (Donegal) 340
Nenagh Olympic (Tipp) 337
Blackrock (Dublin) 333
Glenmore (Louth) 327
Le Cheile (Kildare) 322
Templemore (Tipp) 315
Letterkenny (Donegal) 313
St Laurence O'Toole (Carlow) 313
Dunleer (Louth) 308
Naas (Kildare) 306
Boyne (Louth) 306
Gneeveguilla (Kerry) 285
Ennis Track (Clare) 272
Portlaoise (Laois) 269
Carrick-on-Shannon (Leitrim) 253
Clones (Monaghan) 242
Mullingar Harriers (W/meath) 226
Ballymena & Antrim (Antrim) 216
Menapians (wexford) 202
Longford 141
Strabane Track Club (Tyrone) 16

RayCun

It would be interesting to see all the clubs as circles on a map, the size of the circles determined by their membership. Somebody get on that now please

Timmaay

RayCun wrote: »

It would be interesting to see all the clubs as circles on a map, the size of the circles determined by their membership. Somebody get on that now please

If anyone has a spreadsheet with the lat/longitudinal of all the clubs, just fire in the data above into excel and plot as an x/y bubble graph, and then just overlay the whole lot onto an image of Ireland. 2min job, but I need all the coordinate points ha!

Stupid_Private

Timmaay wrote: »

If anyone has a spreadsheet with the lat/longitudinal of all the clubs, just fire in the data above into excel and plot as an x/y bubble graph, and then just overlay the whole lot onto an image of Ireland. 2min job, but I need all the coordinate points ha!

Excel of coordinates as requested...

Leinster Clubs Lat / Longs

Connaught Clubs Lat / Long

Munster Clubs Lat / Long

Ulster Clubs Lat / Long

Timmaay

http://inbheardee.com/alternative/20131202082241-04048-map.html

Hmm bit trickier than I thought, 1st minor problem SP, those lat/long arent up to date ha. Out of interest did you rob them off AAI or Runireland? Then my next problem is the bubblecharts, I though GPSVisualizer allows them, it can only display info by colour, which I've done in the map above, for just Leinster yet. Green has a big membership, Red is small!

Anyways Ray, not what you demanded, but let me look into it further, I've afew other tricks up my sleeve, I haven't properly looked into an excel graph overlaid on a map yet!

Stupid_Private

Two minutes eh?!

They're from the AAI's website - I just took the Google map KML they have for the find a club section and converted to csv. I take no responsibility for the accuracy!

Timmaay

Stupid_Private wrote: »

Two minutes eh?!

They're from the AAI's website - I just took the Google map KML they have for the find a club section and converted to csv. I take no responsibility for the accuracy!

Hmm yeh they are well outa date ha, I've emailed AAI afew times trying to get new info submitted on afew of the wicklow clubs and I never got a reply. But nay, good work still on your behalf.

Cabaal

I cant understand how kilkenny is so high, i very very rarely see a kilkenny singlet at any event I'm at, Waterford on the other hand shows up now and then

I guess most kilkenny club members must not wear any club gear,

RacoonQueen

Ours looks quite low. Our subs year is August - July and would still be low on people who've renewed even though they're still training/racing with us.

average_runner

Crazy amount of clubs in rathfarham. They should work together and get a track?
Same for the clubs around phoenix park.

Two clubs in celbridge and leixlip is crazy.

Timmaay

average_runner wrote: »

Crazy amount of clubs in rathfarham. They should work together and get a track?
Same for the clubs around phoenix park.

Two clubs in celbridge and leixlip is crazy.

Celbridge and leixlip use to be the one didn't they till there was a fallout? Or was that na fianna?

Track coming to marley soon, and a fine one just down the road in Tallaght also!

RayCun

average_runner wrote: »

Crazy amount of clubs in rathfarham. They should work together and get a track?
Same for the clubs around phoenix park.

Sportsworld, Rathfarnham, and Bros Pearse?
Sportsworld is adults only, they use Tallaght track on the weekends, and train in Bushy Park.
Rathfarnham have less than 70 juveniles so easy to find space.
BP are working on it

Donore have a track, 300m behind the clubhouse, which is grand for training. And these clubs are beside Phoenix Park for a reason...

average_runner

RayCun wrote: »

Sportsworld, Rathfarnham, and Bros Pearse?
Sportsworld is adults only, they use Tallaght track on the weekends, and train in Bushy Park.
Rathfarnham have less than 70 juveniles so easy to find space.
BP are working on it

Donore have a track, 300m behind the clubhouse, which is grand for training. And these clubs are beside Phoenix Park for a reason...

I know they are beside park for a reason but that's no good in the winter.

Donore has a great setup. Just thinking of ways to improve athletics

Timmaay

While we are on this topic again, my old coach explained it very well one day when she said that every single town and village should have a juvenile athletics club, this way any kid who is thinking of entering the sport is not at all limited by travel, the vast amount of the population would be able to walk to a club, or short drive at most! When the kid hits say 15/16, and wants to progress further you have bigger feederclubs as such, or in many counties, the county board should have facilitates in place for more expert coaching etc. What instead happens is usually because of politics, some clubs do much better than others, and end up poaching all the athletes from the smaller club, eventually the smaller club folds and that town/village is left with nowhere for kids to train. Thankfully the recent running boom has seen the return of many clubs that were long dead and buried, but there certainly is more work to be done to aid talent spotting at a young age, and try to keep that person within the sport.

drquirky

average_runner wrote: »

I know they are beside park for a reason but that's no good in the winter.

? Unless you are a complete wuss, the PP is fine in winter

Letyourselfgo

Timmaay wrote: »

While we are on this topic again, my old coach explained it very well one day when she said that every single town and village should have a juvenile athletics club, this way any kid who is thinking of entering the sport is not at all limited by travel, the vast amount of the population would be able to walk to a club, or short drive at most! When the kid hits say 15/16, and wants to progress further you have bigger feederclubs as such, or in many counties, the county board should have facilitates in place for more expert coaching etc. What instead happens is usually because of politics, some clubs do much better than others, and end up poaching all the athletes from the smaller club, eventually the smaller club folds and that town/village is left with nowhere for kids to train. Thankfully the recent running boom has seen the return of many clubs that were long dead and buried, but there certainly is more work to be done to aid talent spotting at a young age, and try to keep that person within the sport.

We've seen an increase in numbers for sure in our club. Yesterday at the Dublin Uneven ages we had 15 girls line up in the U11s but sadly 0 in the U17 and 0 in the U19s. That's the problem we got to solve.

average_runner

drquirky wrote: »

? Unless you are a complete wuss, the PP is fine in winter

A few of those clubs go to alsaa in the winter so its a fair commute

RacoonQueen

Timmaay wrote: »

While we are on this topic again, my old coach explained it very well one day when she said that every single town and village should have a juvenile athletics club, this way any kid who is thinking of entering the sport is not at all limited by travel, the vast amount of the population would be able to walk to a club, or short drive at most! When the kid hits say 15/16, and wants to progress further you have bigger feederclubs as such, or in many counties, the county board should have facilitates in place for more expert coaching etc. What instead happens is usually because of politics, some clubs do much better than others, and end up poaching all the athletes from the smaller club, eventually the smaller club folds and that town/village is left with nowhere for kids to train. Thankfully the recent running boom has seen the return of many clubs that were long dead and buried, but there certainly is more work to be done to aid talent spotting at a young age, and try to keep that person within the sport.

Was talking to a guy in work about his kid joining up with a club and his local clubs are full up. Obviously a parent is always going to talk up their child but this kid is beating kids a couple of years older than him over 400m...but they want a local club rather than having to travel with him, he's more likely to stick with it then and to get him home for bed etc.

I know we're close to capacity ourselve and had to stop taking new juveniles in last year.

RayCun

Under 10s we're full, which is a pain in the arse because we have at least a dozen kids waiting to get in. The older groups are still taking kids, but its getting a bit Tokyo tube station.
I agree about the value of having a local club for younger kids. For the older kids, maybe rather than feeder clubs (and poaching clubs!) we could have joint training sessions? I know there are regular squad days out in Santry, but I'm not sure how well attended they are...

RayCun

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Ours looks quite low. Our subs year is August - July and would still be low on people who've renewed even though they're still training/racing with us.

Ours is artificially high, tbh. The juvenile membership year is September to September, so some people who signed up in 2012 but haven't been around in months are still in the AAI numbers. Adult membership is January to January, and it will be March before most of those tightwads get around to paying their subs :pac:, so numbers will be unrealistically low for a few months.
Over 400 this time next year though :cool:

average_runner

RayCun wrote: »

Ours is artificially high, tbh. The juvenile membership year is September to September, so some people who signed up in 2012 but haven't been around in months are still in the AAI numbers. Adult membership is January to January, and it will be March before most of those tightwads get around to paying their subs :pac:, so numbers will be unrealistically low for a few months.
Over 400 this time next year though :cool:

AAi really needs to look at things, cant be turning kids away from the sport. Its not the club fault either.

Letyourselfgo

RayCun wrote: »

we could have joint training sessions? .

I've often thought about this, take our own two clubs as an example Tallaght and Bros P, have a combined training session which I think gives a great opportunity for coaches to learn from each other. Keep it small maybe concentrate on a couple of agegroups at a time example 11/12s? Couldn't see all our coachesgoing for it but I like it.

RacoonQueen

average_runner wrote: »

AAi really needs to look at things, cant be turning kids away from the sport. Its not the club fault either.

Yep, winter I suppose is harder because there are less places to train. During the summer maybe easier as groups can be brought across to the park. At the same time it's down to who can help out, if there are not enough adults/coaches then you can't take in any more kids.

Timmaay

Same with most of the clubs here, turning away u10s, which is crazy 2bh! But they just can't get the support from the parents, who just want to ditch little jimmy at the gate and pick him up an hr or so later ha.

But good point Ray about how much of it is artificially high, I know if a new kid shows up for afew weeks, payup, then disappears for say a solid 2months, they are removed from the list and another kids gets a chance to join the club. You do get the odd few turning back up then afterwards, but we can handle them.

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Was talking to a guy in work about his kid joining up with a club and his local clubs are full up. Obviously a parent is always going to talk up their child but this kid is beating kids a couple of years older than him over 400m...but they want a local club rather than having to travel with him, he's more likely to stick with it then and to get him home for bed etc.

Hmm yeh thats a tough one, if say the club coach/committee person knows there is a very talented kids, do they say screw it, lets have double standards and let just that kid in, at the risk of annoying other parents who are waiting, or do they say no, and risk losing the kid to another sport!

RayCun

Letyourselfgo wrote: »

I've often thought about this, take our own two clubs as an example Tallaght and Bros P, have a combined training session which I think gives a great opportunity for coaches to learn from each other. Keep it small maybe concentrate on a couple of agegroups at a time example 11/12s? Couldn't see all our coachesgoing for it but I like it.

I was thinking more the older groups and more technical events. Like, we've a specialist long jump coach but only a few older teenagers working at a high level in that event, so maybe a couple of your guys could join in a session. And maybe you have a good javelin coach, so we send some people to work with her...

We should do a race day or something for the younger kids. Maybe in the gap between indoors and T&F league? We had a cross country race for all the kids (and another for the adults) in August this year, we could invite you guys over next time?

Letyourselfgo

RayCun wrote: »

I was thinking more the older groups and more technical events. Like, we've a specialist long jump coach but only a few older teenagers working at a high level in that event, so maybe a couple of your guys could join in a session. And maybe you have a good javelin coach, so we send some people to work with her...

We should do a race day or something for the younger kids. Maybe in the gap between indoors and T&F league? We had a cross country race for all the kids (and another for the adults) in August this year, we could invite you guys over next time?

All above sounds good. I was chatting with a top long jump coach recently who said she'd be up for doing a work shop and to give her a shout. Could be sth to follow up on. Regarding the younger ones as well it was just a polite way of us passing on some secrets and help yee get a few more medals :P

Jnealon

Timmaay wrote: »

Same with most of the clubs here, turning away u10s, which is crazy 2bh! But they just can't get the support from the parents, who just want to ditch little jimmy at the gate and pick him up an hr or so later ha.

Same here, it ridiculous. We'll be placing a cap on numbers for 2014 if more parents don't volunteer. Our subs are due this month and we'll also have an option to join at a reduced fee after schools start back in September.

Looking at the numbers some of the clubs have it's hard not to be impressed ,but and its a big one, are they still able to maintain the 12 or 15 to 1 ratio

Letyourselfgo

Jnealon wrote: »

are they still able to maintain the 12 or 15 to 1 ratio

At long last we can now answer yes. We got 2 more experienced guys in to help and that makes 4 for approx 60 kids (U9-U11) and as a result have been able to open our doors again but they'll shut fairly soon again. It's all well and good getting a big number of kids into your club but if the coaching quality is compromised then what's the point.

Factors to consider I suppose are
1. Health and Safety
2. Coaching quality (kids/coach ratio)
3. Space

average_runner

As i am a parent myself but my kids are too young for clubs yet. I think clubs need to help parents also, i mean how many parents are home from work by 6 (both of them) ?

I know my kids won't be at the same club as me, impossible to make the training time, almost impossible for me to make my training time. They be attending Tallaght as thats where their grand mother lives.

The coaching session time tables have to change, they are back in the dark days when there was one parent at home.


Parents need to help clubs also though, help with transport etc to races. A rota system should be enforced.

RayCun

Most clubs are Tuesday/Thursday 7-8, afaik
We do Little Athletics earlier for the younger kids.

average_runner

RayCun wrote: »

Most clubs are Tuesday/Thursday 7-8, afaik
We do Little Athletics earlier for the younger kids.

Clubs must of changed, because at start of the year most the training times for kids was 6pm according to their websites.

Letyourselfgo

http://tacjuveniles.blogspot.ie/

Tallaght training times on the top right. For beginners it's Tue/ thursday at 7pm. Tallaght good choice

Timmaay

average_runner wrote: »

As i am a parent myself but my kids are too young for clubs yet. I think clubs need to help parents also, i mean how many parents are home from work by 6 (both of them) ?

I know my kids won't be at the same club as me, impossible to make the training time, almost impossible for me to make my training time. They be attending Tallaght as thats where their grand mother lives.

The coaching session time tables have to change, they are back in the dark days when there was one parent at home.


Parents need to help clubs also though, help with transport etc to races. A rota system should be enforced.

In fairness, most juveniles sections of clubs is almost exclusively run by coaches who are/were parents and have come through the ranks, so they do know the score. The times are generally pitched towards whatever suits the majority. There will be a sacrifice no matter what. As you said, having a strict rota system is the only way it can work, and each kids parent will need to help out every so often, or the whole system will quickly come caving in on itself, in particular with larger clubs. Its probably something that should be emphasized moreso when the kid enters the club, part of the deal is the parent helps out every so often. Athletics costs very little in general, and at that age (u12), coaching is far from complicated. We try to get as many parents through the Athletics leader course as possible, but getting them even that far can be a challenge.

RayCun

RayCun wrote: »

there are more recent figures here
club
county

Hmm, just noticed something
Dublin has 3745 juvenile members, out of 29150 juveniles nationwide
but over 3000 senior and master members, out of 18k nationally
Nearly as many senior/master members as juveniles, in most counties the gap is much bigger

lots of culchies moving to Dublin as adults? (but then you'd expect to see the same in Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow)
More clubs in the country that don't have an adult section?

average_runner

RayCun wrote: »

Hmm, just noticed something
Dublin has 3745 juvenile members, out of 29150 juveniles nationwide
but over 3000 senior and master members, out of 18k nationally
Nearly as many senior/master members as juveniles, in most counties the gap is much bigger

lots of culchies moving to Dublin as adults? (but then you'd expect to see the same in Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow)
More clubs in the country that don't have an adult section?

Yeah us culchies coming up to make Dublin a better place:D

RayCun

average_runner wrote: »

Yeah us culchies coming up to make Dublin a better place:D

we are truly grateful

pconn062

RayCun wrote: »

Hmm, just noticed something
Dublin has 3745 juvenile members, out of 29150 juveniles nationwide
but over 3000 senior and master members, out of 18k nationally
Nearly as many senior/master members as juveniles, in most counties the gap is much bigger

lots of culchies moving to Dublin as adults? (but then you'd expect to see the same in Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow)
More clubs in the country that don't have an adult section?

I think it differs from club to club out here in the sticks. For example, my club Dunleer AC only has about 40 registered senior athletes, so the vast majority of our 300 athletes are juniors. Our neighbour clubs though North East Runners and Drogheda and District are senior only clubs and probably have close to 500 senior members between them.

Condo131

RayCun wrote: »

we are truly grateful

You forgot the :rolleyes: !! LOL

ChickenTikka

RayCun wrote: »

Hmm, just noticed something
Dublin has 3745 juvenile members, out of 29150 juveniles nationwide
but over 3000 senior and master members, out of 18k nationally
Nearly as many senior/master members as juveniles, in most counties the gap is much bigger

lots of culchies moving to Dublin as adults? (but then you'd expect to see the same in Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow)
More clubs in the country that don't have an adult section?

I guess you'd have to compare with population stats also.

CSO figures indicate that 25.1% of the 5-19 ages live in Dublin and 28.6% of 20/older live in Dublin.

So 3.5% of the population has moved to Dublin by the time they are 20.

AAI figures indicate that 12.9% of their juv/junior membership live in Dublin and 16.7% for older members, a 3.8% shift towards the capital ... not too far off the population trend.