lime.

topgeas

anyone else spreading. waitin for mine to arrive since wed. j a wood working 24/7 to keep up. 12000 ton gone out since last fri, sales told me.

awaywithyou

topgeas wrote: »

anyone else spreading. waitin for mine to arrive since wed. j a wood working 24/7 to keep up. 12000 ton gone out since last fri, sales told me.

We spread a bit there wed and thurs.... Might do another bit next week. Great weather for it.....

I see jack k's sidekick.. paaawwwdeee Kelly mentioned in the journal this wk not to spread slurry for 3 mths after application of lime...

How long of a gap Do ye guys leave before spreading slurry???

rancher

topgeas wrote: »

anyone else spreading. waitin for mine to arrive since wed. j a wood working 24/7 to keep up. 12000 ton gone out since last fri, sales told me.

Got it spread on Wednesday , unreal weather, 8 wheeler trucks turning in a field that I could only use a quad in this time last year

Hugh 2

Heard they ran out of lime from J A Wood Cappagh Co Waterford lime being delivered as they crush it.
Lime is being brought from a Tipperary quarry.
Being quotes 23 euro/ton spread 21 Euro a ton spread for larger jobs.(lime is going up as is everything from J A Wood in new year)
Neighbour was supposed to have been spreading yesterday but Lime did not turn up.
Did not see any going out today either.

Injuryprone

My uncle is a rep for them and he said they've never been as busy. Some of the quarries are actually out of lime.

topgeas

Hugh 2 wrote: »

Heard they ran out of lime from J A Wood Cappagh Co Waterford lime being delivered as they crush it.
Lime is being brought from a Tipperary quarry.
Being quotes 23 euro/ton spread 21 Euro a ton spread for larger jobs.(lime is going up as is everything from J A Wood in new year)
Neighbour was supposed to have been spreading yesterday but Lime did not turn up.
Did not see any going out today either.

yep heard that too. mine comes from there but comming from mallow now. hopefully tomorrow. you from around there hugh?

Zoo4m8

Spread Weds, first truck , from Kilkenny , woke me at 6.45, (hate getting caught like that!) . Great weather, only need the wellies now and again..:D

bbam

Are ye spreading by helicopter ?
We have to keep off fields until about April on a good year

td5man

bbam wrote: »

Are ye spreading by helicopter ?
We have to keep off fields until about April on a good year

I was driving round the fields today with a cylindrical object behind the tractor and not leaving a mark.

whelan1

td5man wrote: »

I was driving round the fields today with a cylindrical object behind the tractor and not leaving a mark.

was driving back from youth club and neighbour i saw filling tank earlier today was obviously spreading in the dark

td5man

whelan1 wrote: »

was driving back from youth club and neighbour i saw filling tank earlier today was obviously spreading in the dark

Why sure you can spread washings anytime.
You might as well have a big sign if you're spreading at night.

TUBBY

td5man wrote: »

I was driving round the fields today with a cylindrical object behind the tractor and not leaving a mark.

bit late in the year for a roller:)

td5man

TUBBY wrote: »

bit late in the year for a roller:)

Its got an end tow transport kit, was letting the water out of it for the winter. ;-)

whelan1

td5man wrote: »

Why sure you can spread washings anytime.
You might as well have a big sign if you're spreading at night.

This guy doesn't milk

tabby aspreme

topgeas wrote: »

yep heard that too. mine comes from there but comming from mallow now. hopefully tomorrow. you from around there hugh?

Worked near Mallow years ago and ploughed where Woods has the quarry, less than a foot of clay in places over the limestone , no bother to set the plough

bob charles

what were people doing all year only to be spreading now? I have often applied lime and slurry very close. Makes no odds, yes it will lock up supposedly available N but your talking about a % of f all to begin with

Farrell

Lime makes wet land wetter &dry land dryer
Myth or fact?

bob charles

Farrell wrote: »

Lime makes wet land wetter &dry land dryer
Myth or fact?

myth

Conmaicne Mara

Farrell wrote: »

Lime makes wet land wetter &dry land dryer
Myth or fact?

Hope it's a myth, or I'll have to buy a canoe.

jomoloney

Farrell wrote: »

Lime makes wet land wetter &dry land dryer
Myth or fact?

myth

onyerbikepat

Farrell wrote: »

Lime makes wet land wetter &dry land dryer
Myth or fact?

Yes in the short term it can seem to. In peaty soil it kills of a lot of acidic type plants and roots which effects the integrity of the soil making it seem wetter. Long term though it helps the worm populations, (they dont like acidic soil) which in turn improves drainage. I stand to be corrected on all this, just read it all somewhere.:rolleyes:

Farrell

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Yes in the short term it can seem to. In peaty soil it kills of a lot of acidic type plants and roots which effects the integrity of the soil making it seem wetter. Long term though it helps the worm populations, (they dont like acidic soil) which in turn improves drainage. I stand to be corrected on all this, just read it all somewhere.:rolleyes:

Thanks all.
Was thinking that, mentioned to a lad, his ground looks acidic & he told me that.

crackcrack30

Do ye test soil samples or just apply on a yearly time schedule?

Are the bags any good? does it have any effect on rushes or the spread of them?

supersean1999

Would ye spread 2 bags of granulated lime NOW on fields that are Well skint. But wont be grazed till 1 st april.

knockmulliner

supersean1999 wrote: »

Would ye spread 2 bags of granulated lime NOW on fields that are Well skint. But wont be grazed till 1 st april.

I would spread a ton of ground limestone instead, at least the same immediate effect from the fine lime and continuous effect from the coarser lime for years and another ton next year if needed. Check whether you need calcium or magnesium lime

freedominacup

crackcrack30 wrote: »

Do ye test soil samples or just apply on a yearly time schedule?

Are the bags any good? does it have any effect on rushes or the spread of them?

We usually apply on a test up to now but we have gotten up to date over the past couple of years and I think we will apply on a schedule from now on. We sampled everything this time last year and covered any remaining low areas this year. We have around 25% earmarked for re-seeding next year between ground coming back from tillage and a few wetter areas that need a bit of reclaiming work done. The tillage ground will get at least 1 tonne as it is all ok but the wetter ground will get a minimum of 2 for two years. After this we will go to a schedule. As a rule of thumb 50kgs of CAN uses 50kgs of lime.

bob charles

Old school chemistry here:) I use a BDH kit for determining lime application, you get it done there and then and soil often tests different in the field under live conditions than in the lab.

onyerbikepat

bob charles wrote: »

Old school chemistry here:) I use a BDH kit for determining lime application, you get it done there and then and soil often tests different in the field under live conditions than in the lab.

Where did you buy that Bob?

Hugh 2

Farrell wrote: »

Lime makes wet land wetter &dry land dryer
Myth or fact?

I hear lads saying that it is a great time to spread "freshly ground limestone"
You are getting "dry lime" which has not been out in a heap gathering extra weight from the rain... Myth or Fact???

rancher

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Where did you buy that Bob?

Last place that I got a kit for testing PH in soil was in a garden centre,
Compared well with soil test results at the time too

bob charles

Hugh 2 wrote: »

I hear lads saying that it is a great time to spread "freshly ground limestone"
You are getting "dry lime" which has not been out in a heap gathering extra weight from the rain... Myth or Fact???

Myth, they could be digging out of a heap of 10k tons, anyway it has to be a certain moisture range to comply with dept of ag. You might get a wheelbarrow or two extra per load if on a dry day, but I think they often add water to deaden down the dust

bob charles

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Where did you buy that Bob?

Got it in the UK off lime contractor cost about €100

tabby aspreme

If the lime is dry the extra bit you'll get will end up blown around the parish as dust

Hugh 2

knockmulliner wrote: »

Check whether you need calcium or magnesium lime

Now you got me curious?
Tell me more?
How do you check that?
Is it to do with whether you are in a high or low molybdenum area

knockmulliner

Hugh 2 wrote: »

Now you got me curious?
Tell me more?
How do you check that?
Is it to do with whether you are in a high or low molybdenum area

don't know if is necessarily so but I have high molybdenum, high magnesium but low calcium. Had soil tested by glenside fertility.

freedominacup

Passed 3*8 wheelers on the way to school with the kids, mini convoy of lime lorries out of Bennettsbridge. Gas to think they had a lot of their trucks parked and propped when I was there a month ago and now they have trucks pulled in from everywhere.

rancher

freedominacup wrote: »

Passed 3*8 wheelers on the way to school with the kids, mini convoy of lime lorries out of Bennettsbridge. Gas to think they had a lot of their trucks parked and propped when I was there a month ago and now they have trucks pulled in from everywhere.

5 lorries came together to me and blocked up a little road at school time....chaos

massey woman

Is it my imagination or has the lime texture changed
Got a few loads form Roadstone Boyle in the last few weeks
Next day delivery great service from Sharon there

Hugh 2

Just spread the whole farm with 1.5 and 2 ton lime.
With panic spreading of some bagged lime and the droughts of 2012 I have ended up a bit of urea left over .
How long be right should I wait in 2014 before spreading this UREA.

onyerbikepat

Wait 3 to 6 months before spreading Urea after spreading Lime.

Hugh 2

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Wait 3 to 6 months before spreading Urea after spreading Lime.

Thanks for posting that interesting document.
I am starting to come to the conclusion that that buying Urea for a suposodly10% saving over CAN is false economics.

freedominacup

Hugh 2 wrote: »

Thanks for posting that interesting document.
I am starting to come to the conclusion that that buying Urea for a suposodly10% saving over CAN is false economics.

I wouldn't agree at all and we have very little land requiring any lime having put a good few quid into getting our lime requirement sorted over the past couple of years. I find a much better response to the urea.

Hugh 2

freedominacup wrote: »

I wouldn't agree at all and we have very little land requiring any lime having put a good few quid into getting our lime requirement sorted over the past couple of years. I find a much better response to the urea.

By the looks of it it will take me a few years to get to a point where the land won't require lime.
I bought a bust of UREA in 12 then found it was 2 dry to spread it and by the looks of it I wont be able to spread any for 6 months the cost of keeping the paid for UREA in shed is deteriorating the margin over the cost can (in my case)
and I am sure I wasted (spread) urea value last year by spreading in marginal conditions (there was plenty talk of rain in the forecasts last year(2013) that seemed to fall anywhere but here-it was just that kind of year)

Brown Podzol

I was a a farm walk during the summer, John Roche chief dairy scientist NZ, said that urea was the nitrogen of choice in most other countries wet or dry. The advice here needs to be revisited and further research undertaken.

mahoney_j

Brown Podzol wrote: »

I was a a farm walk during the summer, John Roche chief dairy scientist NZ, said that urea was the nitrogen of choice in most other countries wet or dry. The advice here needs to be revisited and further research undertaken.

I'd agree with that and most of what I spread n wise is urea.no way I'd of chanced spreading it during heat wave though.in normal Irish weather a good heavy dew would wash it in if spread after pm milking during sumner.

mahoney_j

Brown Podzol wrote: »

I was a a farm walk during the summer, John Roche chief dairy scientist NZ, said that urea was the nitrogen of choice in most other countries wet or dry. The advice here needs to be revisited and further research undertaken.

I'd agree with that and most of what I spread n wise is urea.no way I'd of chanced spreading it during heat wave though.in normal Irish weather a good heavy dew would wash it in if spread after pm milking during sumner.

Voodoo_rasher

speaking off? There's now granulated lime also - said to be of more benefit than the powdered lime.

Conmaicne Mara

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

speaking off? There's now granulated lime also - said to be of more benefit than the powdered lime.

It's five or six times more expensive (in 50kg bags), effects don't last as long as ground limestone.

Only benefit is it's in granules therefore easier for a lot of farmers to handle and spread.

Wouldn't go near it if I could handle ground limestone which is something I'm working on at the moment.

freedominacup

Hugh 2 wrote: »

By the looks of it it will take me a few years to get to a point where the land won't require lime.
I bought a bust of UREA in 12 then found it was 2 dry to spread it and by the looks of it I wont be able to spread any for 6 months the cost of keeping the paid for UREA in shed is deteriorating the margin over the cost can (in my case)
and I am sure I wasted (spread) urea value last year by spreading in marginal conditions (there was plenty talk of rain in the forecasts last year(2013) that seemed to fall anywhere but here-it was just that kind of year)

The land around here will never not require lime. 50kgs of CAN uses around 50kgs of lime. If you are intensively stocked you are looking at putting out 2tonnes per acre on half your farm every second year, or 1 tonne per acre on half the farm every year just to maintain your ph.