Any recommendations on where to do a flying lesson

TheBoss11

Anyone know of any good places I can do an airplane flying lesson around the dublin area? Iv been to flight wise in Weston recently but it was very poor service and I'm looking for something a but more professional or serious. NFC looks good but it's a bit expensive.

yaeger

Care to share why you found them poor... Tell us what type of service you require and no doubt people can best offer suggestions. If you have any issues with any establishment why not pose the concern to them once and then move on elsewhere, I would suggest maybe they just didn't offer exactly what you have in mind of a training establishment...

I gather cost is primary for you... Clubs can be cheaper but there is differences in that choice which you can search for here in the history. Do you plan to go on for ppl or further or just sample a few hours... I would be surprised if they did not seem professional but Then again many people just want a relaxed place to rent from once they have their license and it also becomes abit of a social experience also. Flying is fun, all flying is.

TheBoss11

There not the worse flight training organisation I'm Surebut small things which seemed very basic. After spending €185 for a one hour lesson My flight was 30 mins delayed. I recived no flight brefing which was advertised on the website. Everything seemed like they wore in a hurry to get me out. They gave me a certificate for completion before I even got in the plane. I know it's nothing major but if I was to spend €185 on a lesson I would expect a good service. Then again maybe I'm just not being realistic?

yaeger

Fair enough... You should have had a brief, formal or otherwise so you could chat to them about that prior to next lesson and before handing over cash.
The 30 min delay is something you will just have to get use to, earlier flights may have been delayed due weather or tech or even another student getting lost :-) .

If your going to go for a license then have a good chat with nfc, flightwise, east coast training and then get on the phone and speak to the clubs and go visit them on the weekends and then you will get a good feel for the place the people and you can then make an informed decision.
If you just gonna spend a few hours tootling around expect people to never really get to know your name... Thats just the way it is.

TheBoss11

yaeger wrote: »

Fair enough... You should have had a brief, formal or otherwise so you could chat to them about that prior to next lesson and before handing over cash.
The 30 min delay is something you will just have to get use to, earlier flights may have been delayed due weather or tech or even another student getting lost :-) .

If your going to go for a license then have a good chat with nfc, flightwise, east coast training and then get on the phone and speak to the clubs and go visit them on the weekends and then you will get a good feel for the place the people and you can then make an informed decision.
If you just gonna spend a few hours tootling around expect people to never really get to know your name... Thats just the way it is.

A pilot is the dream, hoping to do it after my leaving cert next year. Sure il look into them. Thanks for the heads up :-)

mackjark

Flying is expensive, get used to it. One of the rules the NFC uses is that if someone comes back after a flight then the Instructor who flew with them gets first dibs on being their Instructor. That encourages them to be nice. Can't comment about Flightwise. But it's a good thing to make it clear for any flight school should be encouraging to potential students even if they get a lot of joyriders.

On the other hand, I have a less than tolerant attitude to potential pilots who are put off by less than tender handling by flight schools. Seriously haven't you got the news? Pilots are arrogant p***cks. It's part of the test that that you get messed around. You want to fly don't you? So go for it. If the flight school messes with you then tell them. If they don't take that onboard then move on to their rival.

I hate whinging wannabee pilots. Do you want to fly or not? If you do then you'll find a way. If not you can join the ranks of the might of beens.

If you want someone to hold your hand then flying is not for you. Eff off and take knitting lessons.

TheBoss11

mackjark wrote: »

Flying is expensive, get used to it. One of the rules the NFC uses is that if someone comes back after a flight then the Instructor who flew with them gets first dibs on being their Instructor. That encourages them to be nice. Can't comment about Flightwise. But it's a good thing to make it clear for any flight school should be encouraging to potential students even if they get a lot of joyriders.

On the other hand, I have a less than tolerant attitude to potential pilots who are put off by less than tender handling by flight schools. Seriously haven't you got the news? Pilots are arrogant p***cks. It's part of the test that that you get messed around. You want to fly don't you? So go for it. If the flight school messes with you then tell them. If they don't take that onboard then move on to their rival.

I hate whinging wannabee pilots. Do you want to fly or not? If you do then you'll find a way. If not you can join the ranks of the might of beens.

If you want someone to hold your hand then flying is not for you. Eff off and take knitting lessons.

Yes NFC looks like my next destination. It comes across as a good flight school. I totally agree with you flying schools should be a bit more encouraging. In all fairness despite all the little things the flight itself was an amazing experience, probably one of the best days of my young life.

Yes becoming an Airline pilot is the dream always has been, il take that into account next time maybe I was a but naive but il certainly let my concerns be knows in the future.

I'm not looking for someone to hold my hand just a bit of guidance or advice from the professionals would be appreciated.

Xpro

mackjark wrote: »

I hate whinging wannabee pilots. Do you want to fly or not? If you do then you'll find a way. If not you can join the ranks of the might of beens.

If you want someone to hold your hand then flying is not for you. Eff off and take knitting lessons.

So to fly you need to keep your mouth shut, bring a tube a vaseline, pay the ridiculous prices, and just go with the flow.

If that was me paying that price, you'd want a top service and some encouragement.

mackjark

Xpro wrote: »

So to fly you need to keep your mouth shut, bring a tube a vaseline, pay the ridiculous prices, and just go with the flow.

If that was me paying that price, you'd want a top service and some encouragement.

That's quite the opposite of what I said. Instructors are paid by the flight. Therefore you are literally paying their wages so you should expect top service. If not you ask why and or change to another Instructor or school. I've done it. Meekness won't get you anywhere.

Flying is, was and always will be expensive. Even in flying clubs with no profit motive.

As for the Vaseline, not sure what that's for!

Growler!!!

Vaseline is great for covering battery terminals. Stops corrosion. I assume that's what he means.

andy_g

mackjark wrote: »

Flying is expensive, get used to it. One of the rules the NFC uses is that if someone comes back after a flight then the Instructor who flew with them gets first dibs on being their Instructor. That encourages them to be nice. Can't comment about Flightwise. But it's a good thing to make it clear for any flight school should be encouraging to potential students even if they get a lot of joyriders.

On the other hand, I have a less than tolerant attitude to potential pilots who are put off by less than tender handling by flight schools. Seriously haven't you got the news? Pilots are arrogant p***cks. It's part of the test that that you get messed around. You want to fly don't you? So go for it. If the flight school messes with you then tell them. If they don't take that onboard then move on to their rival.

I hate whinging wannabee pilots. Do you want to fly or not? If you do then you'll find a way. If not you can join the ranks of the might of beens.

If you want someone to hold your hand then flying is not for you. Eff off and take knitting lessons.

Xpro wrote: »

So to fly you need to keep your mouth shut, bring a tube a vaseline, pay the ridiculous prices, and just go with the flow.

If that was me paying that price, you'd want a top service and some encouragement.

Right where to start, talk like that again lads your heading for a ban this forum will not accept that kind of ignorance to new users/pilots.

Play nice or the ban hammer comes out.

Th1nker

andy_g wrote: »

Right where to start, talk like that again lads your heading for a ban this forum will not accept that kind of ignorance to new users/pilots.

Play nice or the ban hammer comes out.

Not questioning your decision or anything but one of those posts was seriously out of order, one however, was not. IMO.

As to the OP, I had a few bad experiences with Flightwise to do with vouchers. They are very unprofessional outfit. Type their name into the boards search box and take a look. The new school in Weston is quite good and well maintained planes, think it is called skyways aviation. As for NFC, they are the biggest players up in weston but are ridiculously over priced and €50 more per hour than their closest competitors. Their planes aren't in the best condition either and I can't count the amount of times I've went, pre-checked and fuelled up an aircraft only to find something wrong with it when we go to start! I actually started my PPL with NFC and have a handful of hours, but I'm in the process of changing to Skyways aviation.

Good luck with whichever school u decide.

andy_g

Th1nker wrote: »

Not questioning your decision or anything but one of those posts was seriously out of order, one however, was not. IMO.

If you have a problem you may pm me about it this is standard policy on boards.

Or you can use the DRP forum

TheBoss11

Th1nker wrote: »

Not questioning your decision or anything but one of those posts was seriously out of order, one however, was not. IMO.

As to the OP, I had a few bad experiences with Flightwise to do with vouchers. They are very unprofessional outfit. Type their name into the boards search box and take a look. The new school in Weston is quite good and well maintained planes, think it is called skyways aviation. As for NFC, they are the biggest players up in weston but are ridiculously over priced and €50 more per hour than their closest competitors. Their planes aren't in the best condition either and I can't count the amount of times I've went, pre-checked and fuelled up an aircraft only to find something wrong with it when we go to start! I actually started my PPL with NFC and have a handful of hours, but I'm in the process of changing to Skyways aviation.

Good luck with whichever school u decide.

Yes iv seen post about Flightwise and there voucher scam just shows how unprofessional that the establishment is. Iv noticed that NFC prices are really high compared to most other flight school but I thought that maybe they would of been
A bit better, thought there planes would of been in good condition regarding the price if a lesson. Haven't even Heard of skyways, il look them up. Thank you very much

Th1nker

TheBoss11 wrote: »

Yes iv seen post about Flightwise and there voucher scam just shows how unprofessional that the establishment is. Iv noticed that NFC prices are really high compared to most other flight school but I thought that maybe they would of been
A bit better, thought there planes would of been in good condition regarding the price if a lesson. Haven't even Heard of skyways, il look them up. Thank you very much

Don't get me wrong, NFC aircraft are probably very well maintained mechanically wise, but they are very ragged internally, some of the radio equipment displays are gone so u have to scroll through and find a station u know the frequency of and then count how many knotches to turn the knob. For the price you pay them I don't think its good value, some of the staff there are so up their own hula hoop it's unreal, treat u like a piece of **** and u have the pleasure of paying €225 an hour for it!! In saying that, the younger guys are sound and what they may lack in experience they definitely make up for in friendliness and helpfulness.

I haven't actually flown with Skyways yet but I checked out their prices and facilities and aircraft and in my opinion seem like the best value school in Weston. Best thing to do would be to go down and talk to both NFC and Skyways and make up your own mind. But I can safely say stay the hell away from that other crowd and that clown Brian that promises the sun moon and stars but never holds through!

Have fun and prepare to get addicted

Xpro

One more thing to add, you can check out some of the clubs in the area. Prices are excellent and the instructors are voluntary so no extra fees.
But one thing with a club, it will take you quite a while before you get your PPL, as you train only when instructors are available.
If you're not in a major rush its well worth a try as the costs of flying can litteraly be halfed.
Thanks

TheBoss11

Xpro wrote: »

One more thing to add, you can check out some of the clubs in the area. Prices are excellent and the instructors are voluntary so no extra fees.
But one thing with a club, it will take you quite a while before you get your PPL, as you train only when instructors are available.
If you're not in a major rush its well worth a try as the costs of flying can litteraly be halfed.
Thanks

Sounds great, my dream is to become a pilot but unfortunately 70 thousand euro is way to much do go into straight from school, so I plan on doing a degree and get a well paying job to fund it so iv plenty of time. Are there any of these clubs in dublin? Preferably north dublin but on not fussy.
Thank you very much for this information

McNulty737

mackjark wrote: »

Flying is expensive, get used to it. One of the rules the NFC uses is that if someone comes back after a flight then the Instructor who flew with them gets first dibs on being their Instructor. That encourages them to be nice. Can't comment about Flightwise. But it's a good thing to make it clear for any flight school should be encouraging to potential students even if they get a lot of joyriders.

On the other hand, I have a less than tolerant attitude to potential pilots who are put off by less than tender handling by flight schools. Seriously haven't you got the news? Pilots are arrogant p***cks. It's part of the test that that you get messed around. You want to fly don't you? So go for it. If the flight school messes with you then tell them. If they don't take that onboard then move on to their rival.

I hate whinging wannabee pilots. Do you want to fly or not? If you do then you'll find a way. If not you can join the ranks of the might of beens.

If you want someone to hold your hand then flying is not for you. Eff off and take knitting lessons.

What is your experience/qualifications? I am a 737ng Captain and what you have written here is a load of bollox. If someone pays 185 euro for a one hour flight they are entitled to expect a professional and thorough service. To not receive a pre flight brief is a disgrace, you should have walked out of there with your money at that point OP imo.

TheBoss11

McNulty737 wrote: »

What is your experience/qualifications? I am a 737ng Captain and what you have written here is a load of bollox. If someone pays 185 euro for a one hour flight they are entitled to expect a professional and thorough service. To not receive a pre flight brief is a disgrace, you should have walked out of there with your money at that point OP imo.

They just brought me into a room
And I sit down and had to wait for my instructor. I was very niave and didn't know what to expect

Stovepipe

The level of proper customer service than one takes for granted in even half-decent flying schools in the USA and UK is not that common here. In fact, in some schools, it is regarded as an alien concept, as if the actual legalities of customer service, such as refunds/functioning equipment/sale of goods and supply of services acts and so on, do not apply to them. Anyone who is prepared to shell out hard earned cash for shabby treatment in any flying school in Ireland should make it their business to complain,loudly, to the CFI. Unfortunately, the IAA will not be of any help as they regard customer service as not being their remit. Always be prepared to vote with your feet, if you are being dicked around.

regards
Stovepipe

McNulty737

Yes and its this mentality that allowed the likes of PTC to get as big as they did....all expenses paid golfing weekends for IAA officials doesn't hurt a flying school either.

mackjark

McNulty737 wrote: »

What is your experience/qualifications? I am a 737ng Captain and what you have written here is a load of bollox. If someone pays 185 euro for a one hour flight they are entitled to expect a professional and thorough service. To not receive a pre flight brief is a disgrace, you should have walked out of there with your money at that point OP imo.

Well Captain McNulty. I didn't know it was compulsory to parade your qualifications on this forum but if you are a 737 Captain I suspect I'm closer to the scene than you are. But you're right you are entitled to be treated like a valued customer but as stovepipe also says that doesn't always happen.

I wasn't having a go at the OP but merely pointing out that if you want good training and service you need to demand it. I'm fortunate to be in a position sometimes where I can give pilots a start in their career. My experience so far is that the best pilots stand out in their personalities, shy retiring and deferential they're not. Self assurance is a prerequisite. As a Captain yourself you should know exactly what I mean.

So I say to the OP and others. Don't let them mess you about. You're doing them a favour not the other way round.

Zyox

mackjark wrote: »

Well Captain McNulty. I didn't know it was compulsory to parade your qualifications on this forum but if you are a 737 Captain I suspect I'm closer to the scene than you are.

For gods sake.

As chief pilot for Virgin Galactic I find this is getting quite silly.

Th1nker

mackjark wrote: »

Well Captain McNulty. I didn't know it was compulsory to parade your qualifications on this forum but if you are a 737 Captain I suspect
I'm closer to the scene than you are. But you're right you are entitled to be treated like a valued customer but as stovepipe also says that doesn't always happen.
I wasn't having a go at the OP but merely pointing out that if you want good training and service you need to demand it.
I'm fortunate to be in a position sometimes where I can give pilots a start in their career. My experience so far is that the best pilots stand out in their personalities, shy retiring and deferential they're not. Self assurance is a prerequisite. As a Captain yourself you should know exactly what I mean.

So I say to the OP and others. Don't let them mess you about. You're doing them a favour not the other way round.

Your just an all round pr1ck aren't you?

mackjark

Zyox wrote: »

For gods sake.

As chief pilot for Virgin Galactic I find this is getting quite silly.

Yes it is. Not sure why one's job title is relevant when posting.

As for you Th1nker, thanks for your coherent reply. Duly reported.

Zyox

mackjark wrote: »

Yes it is. Not sure why one's job title is relevant when posting.

As for you Th1nker, thanks for your coherent reply. Duly reported.

I quoted you not him

Th1nker

mackjark wrote: »

Yes it is. Not sure why one's job title is relevant when posting.

As for you Th1nker, thanks for your coherent reply. Duly reported.

No problemo captain d1ck. It's not nice when you get a taste of your own medicine in replies is it?

mackjark

Zyox wrote: »

I quoted you not him

So what was your was your point? I'm not the one invoking my rank to dismiss another person's experience. I don't feel the need to parade my job title and am not impressed by people who do.

Zyox

mackjark wrote: »

So what was your was your point? I'm not the one invoking my rank to dismiss another person's experience. I don't feel the need to parade my job title and am not impressed by people who do.

:rolleyes:

yaeger

Nice one girls way to help OP and set an example.

andy_g

Th1nker wrote: »

Your just an all round pr1ck aren't you?

Th1nker wrote: »

No problemo captain d1ck. It's not nice when you get a taste of your own medicine in replies is it?

Banned for being dick, play by the rules when you get back failure to do so will result in a further ban or infraction.

McNulty737

The reason I stated my qualifications is to show that after years of training/being checked (PPL, CPL, IR, MCC, Type rating, Line training, recurrent sim training, recurrent line checks, command upgrade sim/line training), I have a pretty good idea of the level of service that a student pilot deserves to expect whether its day one ppl or day one command upgrade.

A thorough pre flight brief and post flight de brief should be standard practice. I'm not advocating that anyone should have their hand held during training, in fact at times the opposite is appropriate and im sure we've all been on the receiving end of 'tough love/a good boot up the arse' from an instructor from time to time. But that kind of training in my experience comes closer to checking time as opposed to day one ppl, and still includes pre and post flight briefs.....it's just a bit of professionalism.

OP....go find yourself a school that values your custom, if they cant be arsed to give you a proper briefing on day one, I can't imagine they'll be too concerned with helping you get a job later on when the time comes.

Alaba320

mackjark wrote: »

I hate whinging wannabee pilots. Do you want to fly or not? If you do then you'll find a way. If not you can join the ranks of the might of beens.

If you want someone to hold your hand then flying is not for you. Eff off and take knitting lessons.

The abuse and backfire you're getting is well warranted after what you wrote in your first post.

Are you saying students should just bend over and take it from a crappy flight school?

Also pipe down with your qualification bragging - no need for it and it makes you look like a cocky fcuk. Probably not even true and if it is, there are more qualified people than you on here so get back in the corner.

OP, the best thing to do is visit a few schools and make up your own my, people will have had good and bad experiences with all schools mentioned in this thread so to get a good overview you have to see it with your own eyes and make your decision from that.

mackjark

Alaba320 wrote: »

The abuse and backfire you're getting is well warranted after what you wrote in your first post.

I didn't abuse anyone. I made a general comment about whinging not directed at the OP or individual and I stand by it. If you want to be a pilot you have work at it. As for the abuse well it was rather pathetic. I laughed!

Are you saying students should just bend over and take it from a crappy flight school?

Sigh! If you've read anything I've said you'll see I've said exactly the opposite. You need to stand up for yourself in this game that's my point.

Also pipe down with your qualification bragging - no need for it and it makes you look like a cocky fcuk. Probably not even true and if it is, there are more qualified people than you on here so get back in the corner.

Do people even read what was said before replying. No I guess not. Bragging about what? I didn't mention my qualifications at all? Quote me? The only person to even mention his rank is Captain McNulty (PPL, CPL, IR, MCC, Type rating, Line training, recurrent sim training, recurrent line checks, command upgrade sim/line training). Not that I'm doubting him at all. Maybe you should call him names?

I agree with him completely though that a student deserves to expect the best. But in the real world away from the rarefied atmosphere of the flight deck at FL330 that doesn't happen as the OP found out. My essential point is that if you're not getting it you also deserve to stand up and say so to your Instructor and school. In this country the flight schools are very careless with their customers. In the end they will pay for it by going out of business.

This is not a job for shrinking violets. One day you might be in command of a stricken aircraft with hundreds on board and everyone one of them will be looking at you for answers.

If you don't want to hear that, that's fine. Most of the pilots I know who went on to successful careers had one thing in common. They knew what they wanted and worked to get it. Many of them were even cocky fcuks! In a nice way of course.

My own final suggestion to the OP is to not be in any hurry. If you're going to college, consider joining a club to get your PPL and enjoy the fun side of flying for a while. Get to know other pilots. Many club members are often serving or retired pilots always willing to give of their experience. You'll make contacts too and friends who may be more than useful in the future. You could also go to the states on your summer break get your private certificate and build some hours. After a couple of years you'll have a handle on what's required and what the opportunities are.

I meet pilots all the time who say they can't get jobs yet others I meet seem to have no trouble. It's often easy to spot the difference. You don't even have to see them fly sometimes. When everyone has the same qualifications what counts is confidence and personality.

McNulty737

I asked what your qualifications are because it concerns me that someone with this kind of attitude:

On the other hand, I have a less than tolerant attitude to potential pilots who are put off by less than tender handling by flight schools. Seriously haven't you got the news? Pilots are arrogant p***cks.

is involved with flight training in any capacity.

Not the kind of person I'd recommend someone interested in flight training to seek advice from.

EI-DOR

TheBoss11,

Go to Rotary and get away from that Fixed Wing game :P

All joking aside, have you considered traveling North up to Newtownards or Slieve Croob Airfield?

mackjark

McNulty737 wrote: »

I asked what your qualifications are because it concerns me that someone with this kind of attitude: is involved with flight training in any capacity.

Not the kind of person I'd recommend someone interested in flight training to seek advice from.

And it's stuff like that make me wonder about you Captain. You seem a bit naïve for all your titles. The OP made it clear he wasn't treated that way, Stovepipe, who knows his stuff highlighted the attitude of Irish flight schools. I pointed it out in my own way.

Yeah sure I was bit strident but what's wrong with pointing out that a wannabee pilots need to have some balls and stand up for themselves if they want to succeed in this business. If you are who you claim to be then you know the difference between those who make it all the way and those who fall by the wayside.

I actually find it all a bit amusing, I've been accused of abuse yet I've called no one a D1ck or a Pr1ck. I never told anyone they were a cocky fcuk or told them to go back into their corner.

I've been accused of bragging about my qualifications. But I haven't mentioned them at all! They're not my licences and ratings strung across the page like a choo choo train. Neither have I mentioned my job title. The only thing you can imply is that I have some experience and that a certain opinion about the standard of certain pilots I encounter.

Nor have I dismissed anyone else's comments as bollox or tell what should happen in an ideal world rather than the reality.

If there's one thing I'll about my job I'll mention and this isn't bragging. It's that I have to disappoint people. That's no fun. But what can you do with a pilot who can't fly properly and has the personality of a nerd? What is fun is seeing someone do well and succeed. So I'll tell like it is if you don't mind.

TheBoss11

Hi guys sorry I haven't being replying much I have been busy with schoolwork. In terms of the flight clubs I don't seem
To conpletly understand them But iv a good idea of how they work, they seem to be ALOT cheaper and as you said I'm in no rush so its defenitly something I will consider. Going to the USA looks good it's cheap and it also would be a good experience in my life.
I have a question for you guys, when I finally complete my PPL is there and sort of finance I can get to go on and do my ATPL that does not involve paying 100 thousand in a big lump sum? And I know about the modular route but it's not something I'm keen on doing as iv heard it's much harder to get a FO job. Although I really would do anything to become a pilot.

I really appreciate the feedback most of you have giving me, iv learned a lot from
Reading your replys thank you very much.

andy_g

Alaba320 wrote: »

The abuse and backfire you're getting is well warranted after what you wrote in your first post.

Are you saying students should just bend over and take it from a crappy flight school?

Also pipe down with your qualification bragging - no need for it and it makes you look like a cocky fcuk. Probably not even true and if it is, there are more qualified people than you on here so get back in the corner.

OP, the best thing to do is visit a few schools and make up your own my, people will have had good and bad experiences with all schools mentioned in this thread so to get a good overview you have to see it with your own eyes and make your decision from that.

You were asked to play nice next time you will be on a week holiday.
Warning issued.

McNulty737

mackjark wrote: »

And it's stuff like that make me wonder about you Captain. You seem a bit naïve for all your titles. The OP made it clear he wasn't treated that way, Stovepipe, who knows his stuff highlighted the attitude of Irish flight schools. I pointed it out in my own way.

Yeah sure I was bit strident but what's wrong with pointing out that a wannabee pilots need to have some balls and stand up for themselves if they want to succeed in this business. If you are who you claim to be then you know the difference between those who make it all the way and those who fall by the wayside.

I actually find it all a bit amusing, I've been accused of abuse yet I've called no one a D1ck or a Pr1ck. I never told anyone they were a cocky fcuk or told them to go back into their corner.

I've been accused of bragging about my qualifications. But I haven't mentioned them at all! They're not my licences and ratings strung across the page like a choo choo train. Neither have I mentioned my job title. The only thing you can imply is that I have some experience and that a certain opinion about the standard of certain pilots I encounter.

Nor have I dismissed anyone else's comments as bollox or tell what should happen in an ideal world rather than the reality.

If there's one thing I'll about my job I'll mention and this isn't bragging. It's that I have to disappoint people. That's no fun. But what can you do with a pilot who can't fly properly and has the personality of a nerd? What is fun is seeing someone do well and succeed. So I'll tell like it is if you don't mind.

Well you said pilots are arrogant pricks....that's not a good mentality for someone to be involved with training or checking pilots. What's the big secret about your qualifications? So you have to disappoint people, what's that mean, you're an examiner? I don't know and I really don't care....but one thing I do know for sure is that the pilot training industry is full of extremely poor instructors, examiners and flying schools - just look at what went down at PTC recently if you don't believe me.

I'm not accusing you of being any of the above because nobody knows what it is you do exactly, but one thing is for sure is that anyone who thinks all pilots are arrogant pricks shouldn't be involved in any training or checking capacity in my opinion.

Roblestone

mackjark wrote: »

I hate whinging wannabee pilots. Do you want to fly or not?

Eff off and take knitting lessons.

I think it all went wrong with your first post. The OP was asking a genuine question, yes he is a "wannabe" but weren't you a wannabe at one stage?

The reply you gave him was not only not helpful to him, but you also managed to insult a number of groups of people.

They may seem like whinging wannabe's to you but have patience... We were all there at one stage.

Also, I don't think anyone accused you of abuse to anybody.

basill

Go read his posts under the helo accident and it appears we have a bitter flying instructor not getting into the air much looking on as the integrated CTC types walk into jet jobs.

My advice to wannabes is to ignore his advice. There are many schools across the world that will provide you with a decent product much cheaper than anything you will get locally from this guy.

mackjark

I'm not a flying Instructor or an Examiner Basill. I'm not even bitter. I love what I do giving pilots their first step on the career ladder. I'm the guy who has to sort out the wheat from the chaff and there is a lot of chaff in pilot terms.

The type of pilot who comes out of flying schools these days is pretty variable. Some can't fly properly, yes shockingly they can't fly. Basic stuff, height headings, it's a mystery to them. Others can fly OK but you lack confidence in the ability to cope with an emergency. Then there's others who you just know have what it takes. Some indeed are arrogant p****ks so you have to impress them with their mortality. They often work out well as long as they recognise they are not immortal.

I was out the other night with a friend a 737ng Captain, a real one PPL, CPL ATPL.......etc too much drink I'm afraid. Told him about this thread. How we laughed. But to be fair he did say I was a Pr1ck and a D1ck. So I have to agree. He said other things about me but that would be bragging.

Suffice to say kiddies, ignore me at your peril. One day your career could depend on my mood. But that's arrogant!

Weirdly enough I thought there were be more real pilots on this forum. My mistake, goodbye kids. Stick with your fantasies, your simulators and Captain McNulty if you are what you say you are then you need to get back in touch with the local scene. 737NG implies a base far, far away from the this green isle.

Actually my buddy thinks he knows you, so I give you that. You may be real. Goodbye

McNulty737

OP: moral of the story is find yourself a professional flying school and be very careful about taking advice from the likes of the above idiot. If you're serious about pilot training your best bet could be to look for schools abroad....check out www.pprune.org

good luck!

Roblestone

mackjark wrote: »

I'm not a flying Instructor or an Examiner Basill. I'm not even bitter. I love what I do giving pilots their first step on the career ladder. I'm the guy who has to sort out the wheat from the chaff and there is a lot of chaff in pilot terms.

The type of pilot who comes out of flying schools these days is pretty variable. Some can't fly properly, yes shockingly they can't fly. Basic stuff, height headings, it's a mystery to them. Others can fly OK but you lack confidence in the ability to cope with an emergency. Then there's others who you just know have what it takes. Some indeed are arrogant p****ks so you have to impress them with their mortality. They often work out well as long as they recognise they are not immortal.

I was out the other night with a friend a 737ng Captain, a real one PPL, CPL ATPL.......etc too much drink I'm afraid. Told him about this thread. How we laughed. But to be fair he did say I was a Pr1ck and a D1ck. So I have to agree. He said other things about me but that would be bragging.

Suffice to say kiddies, ignore me at your peril. One day your career could depend on my mood. But that's arrogant!

Weirdly enough I thought there were be more real pilots on this forum. My mistake, goodbye kids. Stick with your fantasies, your simulators and Captain McNulty if you are what you say you are then you need to get back in touch with the local scene. 737NG implies a base far, far away from the this green isle.

Actually my buddy thinks he knows you, so I give you that. You may be real. Goodbye

Wow! Nice guy, I'd love to be stuck on a flight deck with you for a couple of hours. Say it'd be great craic

Roblestone

Also you obviously not very good at your job if you let "what sort of mood you are in" dictate whether someone gets a job or not. Emotions and moods should be left outside.