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BVD Re-Test of Heifer previously tested

  • 28-11-2013 12:12pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭


    ok will try to keep this simple

    1. purchasing 2 no 20 month old maiden heifers
    2. Heifer A, has been BVD tested as a weanling, Heifer B has not
    3. am getting Heifer B tested before collecting
    4. Should I also get Heifer A re tested as she has been in contact with non tested stock


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    I would get them both ear notch tested just for my own peace of mind. It is only a few euros, money well spent imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    tanko wrote: »
    I would get them both ear notch tested just for my own peace of mind. It is only a few euros, money well spent imo.

    was thinking same, have tags ordered


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    There's no need to get one tested that has already been tested - it's not scientifically possible for her to catch BVD. An animal can only become infected with bvd as a foetus in the cow's womb.

    She may become transiently infected for a couple of weeks if she is in contact with a bvd positive animal. In this case, I don't think the ear notch test will show that she has a transient infection but it is still safe to buy here, but ensure that you operate an isolation policy for all animals brought onto the farm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    reilig wrote: »
    There's no need to get one tested that has already been tested - it's not scientifically possible for her to catch BVD. An animal can only become infected with bvd as a foetus in the cow's womb.

    She may become transiently infected for a couple of weeks if she is in contact with a bvd positive animal. In this case, I don't think the ear notch test will show that she has a transient infection but it is still safe to buy here, but ensure that you operate an isolation policy for all animals brought onto the farm.

    I always assumed that the ear notch test will give a positive result if the animal has a transient infection at the time of testing. This is why a second test needs to be carried out a month later to confirm whether the animal is a Ti or a Pi.

    Am i wrong about this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭onyerbikepat


    tanko wrote: »
    I always assumed that the ear notch test will give a positive result if the animal has a transient infection at the time of testing. This is why a second test needs to be carried out a month later to confirm whether the animal is a Ti or a Pi.

    Am i wrong about this?
    That's correct.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    hugo29 wrote: »
    ok will try to keep this simple

    1. purchasing 2 no 20 month old maiden heifers
    2. Heifer A, has been BVD tested as a weanling, Heifer B has not
    3. am getting Heifer B tested before collecting
    4. Should I also get Heifer A re tested as she has been in contact with non tested stock

    If the BVD test that was done on A was an ear notch test and it was negative then there is no point repeating it as regards checking to see if she's a PI.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Just for clarification:

    reilig wrote: »
    There's no need to get one tested that has already been tested - it's not scientifically possible for her to catch BVD become a PI post-natally. An animal can only become persistently infected with bvd as a foetus in the cow's womb.

    She may become transiently infected for a couple of weeks if she is in contact with a bvd positive animal. In this case, I don't think the ear notch test will show that she has a transient infection but it is still safe to buy here, but ensure that you operate an isolation policy for all animals brought onto the farm.

    The ear notch test would show up positive, but it would be a 'false positive' from the point of showing up a PI.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    greysides wrote: »
    Just for clarification:




    The ear notch test would show up positive, but it would be a 'false positive' from the point of showing up a PI.

    So the test on A would only be positive for TI , if that was the case then if she was isolated will it pass in a few weeks and could she after say 2 weeks isolation be introduced into a shed full of in calf cows without infecting any of them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    hugo29 wrote: »
    So the test on A would only be positive for TI , if that was the case then if she was isolated will it pass in a few weeks and could she after say 2 weeks isolation be introduced into a shed full of in calf cows without infecting any of them



    That is correct. As somebody said a good isolation policy will save testing her with the added bonus of protection from other infections. PI is all you need to be worried about. These animals are infected in the womb (during the 2nd trimester I think) and never eliminate the virus from the system. TI will carry it kinda like a stomach bug that can be passed on but animals recover.
    Depending on the sensitivity of the test method it might not pick up a recent TI.
    I have some idea of what I'm talking about as I'm a microbiologist.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    hugo29 wrote: »
    So the test on A would only be positive for TI , if that was the case then if she was isolated will it pass in a few weeks and could she after say 2 weeks isolation be introduced into a shed full of in calf cows without infecting any of them

    Correct, on the assumption the BVD test mentioned was an ear notch test........ or a blood test for the presence of the virus.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭grassroot1


    Just out of a matter of interest how long is a TI contagious for?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    grassroot1 wrote: »
    Just out of a matter of interest how long is a TI contagious for?

    Without checking, probably about 2 weeks.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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