Roadworks for the new Luas - streets and bus routes affected?

WoollyRedHat

Didn't know this was happening so soon, anyone know which strreets and bus routes will be affected?

Frank Grimes

I keep an eye on the site for the project itself and the Dublin Bus site:

https://www.luascrosscity.ie/
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Luas-Cross-City/

The regulars on the Commuting and Transport forum may be able to give better information though.

Cathmandooo

It's been going on for months already with the works filling in the basements to reinforce the roads and changing the layout of Stephen's Green to take traffic off Dawson Street.

If you know the route of the new Luas line then expect regular closures and disruptions on those roads for the next few years. Once you get to the Broadstone stop the disruption should be minimal enough as they're using an old train line.

monument

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Didn't know this was happening so soon, anyone know which strreets and bus routes will be affected?

Very little to nothing is due to happen in way of traffic restrictions and bus diversions this side of the New Year.

The main difference is the new right turn from the north end of St Stephens Green east -- for now this will act as an added extra (later in the project next year it will be to allow for a diversion).

LXFlyer

Two changes have happened at St Stephen's Green:

1) Right turn from St Stephen's Green South onto St Stephen's Green West (for cars from Leeson Street to access Mercer Street car parks)

2) Right turn from St Stephen's Green East onto Merrion Row - means cars heading for Baggot Street and Merrion Square can avoid the Dawson Street/Molesworth Street/Kildare Street loop.

Neither of these have any bearing on bus routes.

Spanish Eyes

lxflyer wrote: »

Two changes have happened at St Stephen's Green:

1) Right turn from St Stephen's Green South onto St Stephen's Green West (for cars from Leeson Street to access Mercer Street car parks)

2) Right turn from St Stephen's Green East onto Merrion Row - means cars heading for Baggot Street and Merrion Square can avoid the Dawson Street/Molesworth Street/Kildare Street loop.

Neither of these have any bearing on bus routes.

Thanks for that.

What I say next means no criticism of your post...

But...Does everyone now go around with a compass in their pocket?

January

Moved to Commuting & Transport from Dublin City

cgcsb

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks for that.

What I say next means no criticism of your post...

But...Does everyone now go around with a compass in their pocket?

If you don't know your directions i.e. north, south, east and west, then there's little point asking questions about directions on an online forum. You don't need a compass to know these things. If you know how a city looks on a map then you know which direction is which. Sun rises in the east and sets in the west, if you face east, the north is on your left and the south is on your right, primary school stuff.

dfx-

Are buses going to do that loop to get from Kildare St onto St Stephen's Green East permanently?

LXFlyer

No the bus lane is being reinstated.

It will be widened to two lanes as it approaches Leeson Street.

LXFlyer

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks for that.

What I say next means no criticism of your post...

But...Does everyone now go around with a compass in their pocket?

With respect if you cannot tell which side of St Stephen's Green is which, then you have problems.

That is as basic as it comes.

Riskymove

dfx- wrote: »

Are buses going to do that loop to get from Kildare St onto St Stephen's Green East permanently?

nevermind

Riskymove

lxflyer wrote: »

No the bus lane is being reinstated.

It will be widened to two lanes as it approaches Leeson Street.

hard to visualise this?

the bus lane would have to cross the traffic wanting to turn on to Merrion row?

unless traffic lights are put in?

EDIT
Yes I see there are traffic lights so then it makes sense

dfx-

lxflyer wrote: »

No the bus lane is being reinstated.

It will be widened to two lanes as it approaches Leeson Street.

That will help with the Rathmines/Rathgar routes trying to get across and blocking up the ridiculously short green light..

AlekSmart

dfx- wrote: »

That will help with the Rathmines/Rathgar routes trying to get across and blocking up the ridiculously short green light..

Not just ridiculously short,but downright dangerous if not possibly non-compliant with the Law,as the Left Turn into Leeson Street filter changes from Green directly to Red with NO amber signal in place.

I may be mistook,but afaiaa,the Green-Amber-Red sequence is laid down in the RTA or the Traffic Signs Manual ?

Irrespective of any such inclusion,the long running saga of this junction has escaped the attention of the entire Health & Safety Police !!

ballooba

Stephen's Green East is very congested these mornings since the new lights for Merrion Row went in. I expect that will ease once people get used to the new traffic flows but we're almost in silly season too.

dowlingm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks for that.

What I say next means no criticism of your post...

But...Does everyone now go around with a compass in their pocket?

Think about it as preparation for emigration. Most North American cities have a grid layout and streets named accordingly

ballooba

Relevant:
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/11/29/stuck-in-this/
Although, I suspect they have named the wrong side of Stephen's Green.

AlekSmart

ballooba wrote: »

Relevant:
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/11/29/stuck-in-this/
Although, I suspect they have named the wrong side of Stephen's Green.

Always interesting to note how we approach these major construction projects.

This particular site has been lying fallow for most of the Contractors possession.

Several September/October weekends passed with long bright and dry days,yet only in the past month,since the onset of WinterTime,have we seen a resurgence of actual Work,with labourers attempting to do their stuff in Damp,Dark Miserable conditions often under floodlighting (Hired in,no doubt).

This principle is also very obvious at the Liffey Luas Bridge site for the past few weeks,yet again under Floodlighting and in poor weather conditions.

One wonders as to what quality of finish can be achieved under such conditions and whether or not the Civil Engineers have access to any form of Calandar (and/or experience of being out and about in Dublin city of a November evening).

Bizzarre stuff really,but by now it represents what passes for "Normality" in our National interpretation of reality :rolleyes:

ballooba

AlekSmart wrote: »

This principle is also very obvious at the Liffey Luas Bridge site for the past few weeks,yet again under Floodlighting and in poor weather conditions.

I've long been working off the assumption that what is going on there is complicated construction/engineering issues beyond my understanding. It's been like a resident art installation at the centre of our city for what seems like forever.

strassenwo!f

I understand, from a discussion over on the infrastructure forum, that there are some "obvious" major problems with building infrastructure through College Green.

Although I haven't yet been able to ascertain what these problems actually are, they are apparently very obvious and major.

Expect trouble ahead , if infrastructure is planned through that location.

ballooba

Wie so strassen wulf?

NuMarvel

lxflyer wrote: »

With respect if you cannot tell which side of St Stephen's Green is which, then you have problems.

That is as basic as it comes.

As a blow in from the country it took me a while to learn which side was which, but this was how I figured it out:

North faces the Shelbourne Hotel, Kildare Street, and Dawson Street,
West has the LUAS running alongside it.

After that, it's easy peasy to figure out the other two.

AlekSmart

strassenwo!f wrote: »

I understand, from a discussion over on the infrastructure forum, that there are some "obvious" major problems with building infrastructure through College Green.

Although I haven't yet been able to ascertain what these problems actually are, they are apparently very obvious and major.

Expect trouble ahead , if infrastructure is planned through that location.

Meanwhile......back at the ranch.

The new "interim" situation back at the Shelbourne junction staggers from bad to worser....

After deciding to kinda-sorta half partially open the "NEW !" "IMPROVED!" layout,the :P"Authorities":P decided to facilitate the Shelbourne Hotel's owners and patrons by seizing a traffic lane atop Kildare St and declaring it a Set-Down Area.....

Fair enough so far Ted ..?.....

However it seems the new Interim arrangement is not.....how shall I put it ?.....Impressive enough to allow a Grand Entrance to be made through the Saddle Room (;))...so the Taxi Fraternity have decided (En Masse) to totally ignore this "facility" in favour of remaining with the traditional scenario outside the Front Door,which is,of course totally unsustainable,as any Taxi now stopping here to engage in a bit of witty Dubberlin banter with a Shelbourner will IMMEDIATELY halt all following Traffic attempting to turn left from Kildare Street into Merrion Row.

And also........:rolleyes:....None of the hugely qualified ("Topped-Up" Salaried ?) DCC/RPA/GARDA Professionals have even glanced in the direction of the supposed Taxi-Rank along Merrion Row,which now also acts as one BIG Log-Jam when coupled with the other aspects of general traffic attempting to get through this narrow (and now heavily overstretched) artery.

(By "general traffic" I mean,Private Motorists,Cyclists,Refuse Collection vehicles,Crusing Taxis,Hackneys,Delivery Vans...and the odd Bus )

The nub of the issue is prehaps two-fold.

1.Dublins Traffic Control Authorities remain firmly in thrall to the Taxi fraternity,with,as yet no credible explanation for this (non) policy (I am now of the opinion that there is a pressing need for The City Management Team/The NTA/and Garda DMR Management to be called before a suitable committee of enquiry to establish why a small sectionalized interest group seem to have been given a bye on observing the laws and regulations applied to the remainder of the motoring public)

2.The level of Professionalism displayed by the same City Administration group is now consistently falling below what could be reasonable expected of a group of people who are put forward as professionally competent in their field.

The Kildare St/Stephens Green/Merrion Row axis has not had ANY attempt to monitor or control the,by now totally mercenary situation which has been allowed to develop.

If this location is in any way representative of how this gang intend to continue their operations,then I can indeed see what the term "Obvious Major Problems" refers to in relation to the College Green works...It has nothing to do with the physical infrastructural aspects of the project and EVERYTHING to do with the lack of Competence of the Civic Authorities !

I would recommend any interested parties,if they have a few hours to spare this evening after 1830 hrs,to head for the Shelbourne Junction with good camera/video equipment. I will be most surprised if it was ,in any way,a wasted journey !!

ballooba

Having an accountable city mayor might help, of course that will be implemented in a hap hazard way if it is.