feeding soya bean meal? ?

Livestockmad

Im thinking of mixing it in with a 14% cp ration for weanlings.. what ratio would want to be fed at and what other benefits is there to feeding it.. would it be better to feed it to 1 1/2 year old bullocks aswel? I usually just feed the bullocks the 14% ration.Thanks for any replies!

freedominacup

Livestockmad wrote: »

Im thinking of mixing it in with a 14% cp ration for weanlings.. what ratio would want to be fed at and what other benefits is there to feeding it.. would it be better to feed it to 1 1/2 year old bullocks aswel? I usually just feed the bullocks the 14% ration.Thanks for any replies!

How did your silage analyse?

Livestockmad

freedominacup wrote: »

How did your silage analyse?

71 DMD
11.1 CP roughly

DMAXMAN

Livestockmad wrote: »

Im thinking of mixing it in with a 14% cp ration for weanlings.. what ratio would want to be fed at and what other benefits is there to feeding it.. would it be better to feed it to 1 1/2 year old bullocks aswel? I usually just feed the bullocks the 14% ration.Thanks for any replies!

I would reckon on 16 or maybe 17% protein forweanlings. to achieve this you would need to add 60 to 65 grams of soya perkilo of ration. as regards bigger cattle 14% should be sufficient.

Livestockmad

DMAXMAN wrote: »

I would reckon on 16 or maybe 17% protein forweanlings. to achieve this you would need to add 60 to 65 grams of soya perkilo of ration. as regards bigger cattle 14% should be sufficient.

Iv heard 10:1 to raise it by 2% ?..can I ask how did u work it out??

Livestockmad

DMAXMAN wrote: »

I would reckon on 16 or maybe 17% protein forweanlings. to achieve this you would need to add 60 to 65 grams of soya perkilo of ration. as regards bigger cattle 14% should be sufficient.

Iv heard 10:1 to raise it by 2% ?..can I ask how did u work it out??

Good loser

Livestockmad wrote: »

Iv heard 10:1 to raise it by 2% ?..can I ask how did u work it out??

Ration :10 x 14 = 140

Soya : 1 x 46 = 46

Adding = 186 for 11 cwt. Divide by 11 gives 17% crude protein.

Livestockmad

Good loser wrote: »

Ration :10 x 14 = 140

Soya : 1 x 46 = 46

Adding = 186 for 11 cwt. Divide by 11 gives 17% crude protein.

Whats dividing for.. ? Sorry for all the questions

Good loser

Livestockmad wrote: »

Whats dividing for.. ? Sorry for all the questions

The example adds to 11 cwt (10 + 1). Dividing by 11 gives the % protein per cwt.

Livestockmad

Good loser wrote: »

The example adds to 11 cwt (10 + 1). Dividing by 11 gives the % protein per cwt.

Silly me...thanks!! Ha

Timmaay

I'm feeding soya straight to the cows in the parlour, as I only really want to feed it to the higher yielding winter cows. They were slow enough to take to it last night, this was just 1/2kg ontop of theirown 4kg of nuts. I thought they would be going made for it? Will they get use of it?

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

I'm feeding soya straight to the cows in the parlour, as I only really want to feed it to the higher yielding winter cows. They were slow enough to take to it last night, this was just 1/2kg ontop of theirown 4kg of nuts. I thought they would be going made for it? Will they get use of it?

are you putting meal down befoee you vring them in?

Timmaay

jersey101 wrote: »

are you putting meal down befoee you vring them in?

Nay afterwards, low walls in the parlour so i can just throw in the soya to just the higher yeilding cows.

mf240

Timmaay wrote: »

Nay afterwards, low walls in the parlour so i can just throw in the soya to just the higher yeilding cows.

Tim would it be possible to house these cows seperate? Maybe by gating off a pen or two in the shed. This would allow you to feed them extra on top of silage at midday and make milking more straight forward.

Timmaay

mf240 wrote: »

Tim would it be possible to house these cows seperate? Maybe by gating off a pen or two in the shed. This would allow you to feed them extra on top of silage at midday and make milking more straight forward.

Bit messy, sheds not really setup. I backed off with the soya this evening, only gave them a small amount and most ate it, maybe they just need time to get use of it. Feeding them the soya during milking isn't a problem, 6unit parlour so I ain't exactly stuck for time, I'd be reading the newspaper or something otherwise ha!

freedominacup

Timmaay wrote: »

Bit messy, sheds not really setup. I backed off with the soya this evening, only gave them a small amount and most ate it, maybe they just need time to get use of it. Feeding them the soya during milking isn't a problem, 6unit parlour so I ain't exactly stuck for time, I'd be reading the newspaper or something otherwise ha!

Soya is not that palatable, I've never found cattle enthusiastic about it. Needs to be well mixed which would be hard to do with a nut. Any chance you could change to a blend which would be easier to mix the soya into?

Farrell

I'm having that problem, once finished the Nuts there's still traces of Soya left behind. Even trying to add Rolled Barley to the Mix isn't working.
Would you shake on top of Silage, like you would Seaweed, or reduce & increase slowly?

bbam

Farrell wrote: »

I'm having that problem, once finished the Nuts there's still traces of Soya left behind. Even trying to add Rolled Barley to the Mix isn't working.
Would you shake on top of Silage, like you would Seaweed, or reduce & increase slowly?

We're feeding 2kg beef nut..
Feed the nut on top of silage, soy onto the nut and then powdered mineral onto that... All eaten up quickly and no waste..

Timmaay

bbam wrote: »

We're feeding 2kg beef nut..
Feed the nut on top of silage, soy onto the nut and then powdered mineral onto that... All eaten up quickly and no waste..

Hmm good idea, I'll try mix it through with some minerals, the cows usually go mad for minerals here so that should make it more appealing.

Farrell

bbam wrote: »

We're feeding 2kg beef nut..
Feed the nut on top of silage, soy onto the nut and then powdered mineral onto that... All eaten up quickly and no waste..

Might give that a try, just afraid of Silage getting pushed out when they're foraging for the Nuts

Milked out

Timmaay wrote: »

I'm feeding soya straight to the cows in the parlour, as I only really want to feed it to the higher yielding winter cows. They were slow enough to take to it last night, this was just 1/2kg ontop of theirown 4kg of nuts. I thought they would be going made for it? Will they get use of it?

Tim just wondering would you be better off using the soya to balance the silage to the whole milking herd and use the dairy nut to top up the high yielders without effecting the overall protein content of the diet as you could risk making the protein content of the high yielders diet too high otherwise using soya as their top up and they could lose condition

Timmaay

Well the Silage tested quite low for CP at 11%, this is the only reason I'm feeding them the soya. Those higher yielding cows are getting about 7kg of an 18%P nut, they are probably eating 11kg+ of silage, at the 11%p, and I'm only giving them 1/2kg of soya. The main reason I'd prefer to stick to mostly feeding concentrates in the parlour is because its way more controlled, if I throw the soya ontop of the silage, I'll probably get some cows eating well over the kg, and others eating none. The feeding barrier only holds 45 cows and we have 60milking at the second, its always the same few heifers and cows lower down the social order at the back not getting in at the silage/minerals etc for the 1st hour or so after feeding also!

I'm keeping a good eye on condition anyways, one or 2 fresh calvers with low BSC aren't getting any soya.

Milked out

I'm in a similar positon with regard to feed space so I know what you mean. Using the diet feeder so theoretically once I keep the feed pushed in they should all be on the same diet. I have no feeders in parlour tho, hope to fix that by year end or jan, when I do I would prob use soya to balance the protein in the wagon and feed a 16 - 18% nut in the parlour. As it is now everything is at the feed face with some cows getting too much, tried keeping them separate before but have only one entrance to the sheds and I'm on my own now so twas torture locking one crowd back and running em past each other while feeding one lot extra as well, either a cow or myself would end up hurt so the parlour feeders will be going up at some stage in the next two months

Timmaay

Agreed on the parlour feeders, loads for sale on DD at the second from lads who are throwing out old 10/12 unit parlours so its a decent time to pickup a set.

Long term my solution is to sort out the bloody CP of the silage ha, I wouldn't be going near soya now if I didn't have to, an 18%P nut should be plenty enough!