Another "slavery" case in UK

Riskymove

http://www.thejournal.ie/women-found-house-london-30-years-1185920-Nov2013/

An Irish women allegedly held for 30 years!! :eek:

Collie D

Similar reports on RTE website. Couldn;t agree more with the first comment n on the Journal

What a f*cked up world we live in

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1121/488229-slavery/

nelly17

Just read that article - shocking stuff, Having watched a documentary on domestic slavery in the UK a while ago I also find it frightening how many seriously wealthy families in London in particular seem to think this behaviour is acceptable.

Anything you'd like to add to this "discussion" OP?

Femme_Fatale

What can be said, really...

The fact one of the women is only 30 years old and this has been going on for 30 years, makes me wonder whether she is the daughter of one of the other women (who are in their 50s/60s)... :-/

131spanner

Denied 30 years of their lives.

The amount of things you can do and see in 30 years. Jesus...

Boombastic

wasn't there cases here of foreign diplomats here using slave labour? I read a short piece about it somewhere (sunday indo?) and have heard no more about it since

lukesmom

This is so unbelievably messed up! 30 years it's incredible. Poor women

Autonomous Cowherd

It's a bit strange the use of the word ''slavery'' as if it was some form of domestic arrangement that went wrong. It sounds to me more like those cases such as the kidnapped women in USA who were kept hostage and made do work as well as be sexually abused. And yes, it sounds like one may have been a child of one of the ''slaves''. Absolutely mind-boggling stuff. What kind of reign of terror could have kept three people hostage for so long?

Boombastic

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-probe-diplomats-over-people-trafficking-29676186.html

21 OCTOBER 2013
GARDAI are investigating at least seven foreign diplomats for alleged human trafficking and forced labour offences.




This is a link to what I was referring to above

irish_goat

We started in-depth to talks to them when they could, it had to be pre-arranged. They gave us set times when they were able to speak to us.

"It was planned that they would be able to walk out of the property. The police were on standby.

It sounds here like they weren't under constant surveillance/locked in and could have legged it before now.

dd972

The first thing that springs to my mind is ''why didn't they kick the f**k out of those c**ts and escape?'', maybe they're people with learning difficulties or something.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mans inhumanity to his fellow man (yes and women for the PC among us) never ceases to sadden and disgust me.

SEPT 23 1989

check out the story under it

‘Dead’ baby wakes at funeral parlour before cremation:eek:

ScumLord

Collie D wrote: »

Similar reports on RTE website. Couldn;t agree more with the first comment n on the Journal

What a f*cked up world we live in

It's not really. 200 years ago this probably wouldn't even have been considered a crime if it was happening to a lower class. Go back even further and it would have been completely legal for a man to hold these 3 women as slaves.

The very fact that he would have had to keep this secret and how appalled everyone is hearing about these kind of rare stories goes to show we live in a good world where bad things happen.

This act shouldn't outshine the fact that the majority of people are nice to each other, the majority of the time.

Riskymove

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything you'd like to add to this "discussion" OP?

well basically I was just pretty shocked by the story

the thoughts of being kept in servitude like this for thirty years is incredible

as others have said...how messed up are we?

Collie D

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not really. 200 years ago this probably wouldn't even have been considered a crime if it was happening to a lower class. Go back even further and it would have been completely legal for a man to hold these 3 women as slaves.

The very fact that he would have had to keep this secret and how appalled everyone is hearing about these kind of rare stories goes to show we live in a good world where bad things happen.

This act shouldn't outshine the fact that the majority of people are nice to each other, the majority of the time.

I take your point. Would usually agree but must be having a "glass half-empty" day

Mint Aero

Well done to the garda involved in the rescue!

ScumLord

Collie D wrote: »

I take your point. Would usually agree but must be having a "glass half-empty" day

I had one of those days on Tuesday, except my glass was completely empty and broken at the bottom of a bin.

Seems a lot of people are in that mood these days.

dd972

dd972 wrote: »

The first thing that springs to my mind is ''why didn't they kick the f**k out of those c**ts and escape?'', maybe they're people with learning difficulties or something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes “strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.” One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual’s response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be a threat.

wp_rathead

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not really. 200 years ago this probably wouldn't even have been considered a crime if it was happening to a lower class. Go back even further and it would have been completely legal for a man to hold these 3 women as slaves.

The very fact that he would have had to keep this secret and how appalled everyone is hearing about these kind of rare stories goes to show we live in a good world where bad things happen.

This act shouldn't outshine the fact that the majority of people are nice to each other, the majority of the time.

you're doing AH wrong :mad::mad::mad:

Why is slavery in quotation marks? Do you not think it is..?

MonsterCookie

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not really.

This act shouldn't outshine the fact that the majority of people are nice to each other, the majority of the time.

Well said...while the two captors may well be evil b@stards for what the have put the poor women through, I think the world is a better place now than ever before.

I'm sure sky news are in overdrive at this stage...

Menas

The police have said that sexual abuse did not happen and the women are not related so can we nip that one in the bud?

These women have been thru enough, I just can't imagine how anyone could do this to other humans.

April O Neill II

nelly17 wrote: »

Just read that article - shocking stuff, Having watched a documentary on domestic slavery in the UK a while ago I also find it frightening how many seriously wealthy families in London in particular seem to think this behaviour is acceptable.

I reckon there will always be a certain small minority of people who would have no problem with having slaves.

I always wonder how these people would react if the handcuffs were slapped on them.

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything you'd like to add to this "discussion" OP?

Why the inverted commas? Genuinely curious. The OP's post conveys shock, quite understandably, I think.

Femme_Fatale

irish_goat wrote: »

It sounds here like they weren't under constant surveillance/locked in and could have legged it before now.

Something was stopping them. It's easy to say what they could have done.

dd972 wrote: »

The first thing that springs to my mind is ''why didn't they kick the f**k out of those c**ts and escape?'', maybe they're people with learning difficulties or something.

You could say "Why didn't they just assault their captors?" about anything. Not everyone is able to do that. **** knows what kind of set-up the captors had to punish them for any transgressions. They wouldn't need to have learning difficulties to be ground down enough to be that much in fear.
Not understanding the direction of the above two posts at all...

Trigger Happy wrote: »

The police have said that... the women are not related so can we nip that one in the bud?

Wonder whose baby was doomed to this existence from when her life began. Christ, maybe the captors'... :-/

irish_goat

The direction I was going is that there's a lot more to this than we know currently and it's not like a Fritzl case were they were locked in a basement or something.

Femme_Fatale

irish_goat wrote: »

The direction I was going is that there's a lot more to this than we know currently and it's not like a Fritzl case were they were locked in a basement or something.

Fear of getting caught though. Where would they go? It's like any abusive domestic situation - not always easy to just up and leave. The Malayan woman might not even have been in Britain legally.

ronan45

Captive : Help were being held captive, Three of us:eek:
Police: Where
Captive: I dont know
Police: Can you meet us at your local Spar shop?;)
Captive: Yes Say tommorow 6pm ill slip out when my captors not looking and ill show you where im being held:cool:


:rolleyes:

Boombastic

The couple – described as the ‘heads of the family’ – were being questioned at a south London police station last night.

Both are understood to be non-British, but police would not comment on suggestions they were Irish

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511221/Slave-owner-couple-bailed-captive-women-freed-London-house-horrors-following-30-years-servitude-police-search-victims.html#ixzz2lMcOnMKV
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Meanwhile, the Migrants Rights Council Ireland welcomed the rescue of the women, with Director Siobhán O’Donoghue saying that “shocking cases like this highlight the need for vigilance and action”.

The Council said it has dealt with “200 separate cases of forced labour around [Ireland]“.

“This is happening right now in Ireland”, O’Donoghue said, “a fact the authorities here are often reluctant to believe, which means victims of slavery are often not identified as such

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-embassy-women-found-captive-slavery-london-1186884-Nov2013/

Femme_Fatale

ronan45 wrote: »

Captive : Help were being held captive, Three of us:eek:
Police: Where
Captive: I dont know
Police: Can you meet us at your local Spar shop?;)
Captive: Yes Say tommorow 6pm ill slip out when my captors not looking and ill show you where im being held:cool:


:rolleyes:

Huh?

Boombastic wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-probe-diplomats-over-people-trafficking-29676186.html

21 OCTOBER 2013
GARDAI are investigating at least seven foreign diplomats for alleged human trafficking and forced labour offences.




This is a link to what I was referring to above

Yeh, seen some reports on that. It's a phenomenon in major European cities.

Boombastic

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Huh?

Yeh, seen some reports on that. It's a phenomenon in major European cities.

does their diplomatic immunity protect them against prosecution? is there any common trend?


today they were reporting over 200 cases of slavery in ireland, i've never heard 1 reported in the news .

Guy:Incognito

Boombastic wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-probe-diplomats-over-people-trafficking-29676186.html

21 OCTOBER 2013
GARDAI are investigating at least seven foreign diplomats for alleged human trafficking and forced labour offences.




This is a link to what I was referring to above

Boombastic

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

computer says no

JupiterKid

Sadly I'm not surprised by this story. Anyone who has read the book Simisola by Ruth Rendell would be familiar of the sad and sorry tale of domestic slavery in the UK.

Femme_Fatale

Boombastic wrote: »

does their diplomatic immunity protect them against prosecution? is there any common trend?

Not sure. It was a Dispatches or Panorama type show on this topic that I watched relatively recently, but I was tuning in and out as some of it was too horrific for me to stomach.
Basically the story was that a lot of people from countries like Sri Lanka are forced into slavery or borderline slavery in Arab countries. Most of us know about the horrific construction conditions in Dubai and Abu Dhabi etc. And then there's the appalling treatment of female migrant workers in domestic servitude.
They work for very powerful diplomats, who have other residences in places like London and Paris, and the servants travel with them to these other homes. The point was, that this horror was going on in Britain, not just far afield.

There have been cases of them being beaten to death/paralysis, tortured via plugged in irons and kettles of boiling water, and raped. There was footage of one of the survivors of such a regime taking the stand at the trial of one of these bastards, and she had to be helped up there as she couldn't walk properly, and her face was all smashed in and completely bruised, and any other exposed skin was completely wine-coloured from bruising. It was chilling... :-/

anncoates

Pedantic question: Why is slavery in inverted commas?

Da Shins Kelly

A possible cult situation? Heard something about them meeting the two women through "shared political ideologies". Sounds a bit cultish to me.

Nodin

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

A possible cult situation? Heard something about them meeting the two women through "shared political ideologies". Sounds a bit cultish to me.

"Two of three women who were allegedly held as slaves in London for at least 30 years met a man who has been arrested via a collective, police say.

Officers said they met "through a shared political ideology" before living together.

Three women were rescued last month from a house in London after one of them called a charity asking for help.

A couple, arrested on Thursday, migrated from India and Tanzania in the 1960s, said police. "

"In a statement, Cdr Steve Rodhouse of the Metropolitan Police, said: "We believe that two of the victims met the male suspect in London through a shared political ideology, and that they lived together at an address that you could effectively call a 'collective'.

"Somehow that collective came to an end and the women ended up continuing to live with the suspects. "

"How this resulted in the women living in this way for over 30 years is what are seeking to establish, but we believe emotional and physical abuse has been a feature of all the victims' lives."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25068525

Da Shins Kelly

Wow, weird.

Nodin

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Wow, weird.

Indeed. All clear as mud at this stage.