Black Supremacy in dept of homeland security

Gatling

And just when you think it can't get any worse in the states ,
Black supremacist yes I said black supremacist despite been under official investigation for several years gets to keep his $115,000 job with the department of homeland security ,despite in couraging violence and ethnic cleansing of uncle toms and white people ,and Gay people ,

http://rt.com/usa/ayo-kimathi-wald-dhs-982/

MadsL

He's on administrative leave. Not like they rehired him.

And RT? Lovely neutral source for your news...

donvito99

Yes, RT - like Fox, but Russian. Worse.

Gatling

MadsL wrote: »

He's on administrative leave. Not like they rehired him.

And RT? Lovely neutral source for your news...

I just post as I find it ,,

In saying that if he was a white supremacist would he have been fired already due to public outcry ,

Administered leave aka suspended most likely with pay

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

I just post as I find it ,,

In saying that if he was a white supremacist would he have been fired already due to public outcry ,

Administered leave aka suspended most likely with pay

You've an example so we can compare? Or is this just the de rigeur "if it was a white Christian" rant?

B.A._Baracus

"only white people can be racist"

... there are people who actually believe that in this world. The thread just reminds me of it. Plenty of videos on youtube, articles on the internet were people say it. Wonder what they'd say about this fella? ... That "it's all lies! he's getting framed!" ?

Pssh. People.

Festy

Racist ****

Femme_Fatale

I'm not sure I've ever heard/read "Only white people can be racist".

B.A._Baracus

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I'm not sure I've ever heard/read "Only white people can be racist".

Oh it's out there. Just google.

Killer Wench

Gatling wrote: »

I just post as I find it ,,

In saying that if he was a white supremacist would he have been fired already due to public outcry ,

Administered leave aka suspended most likely with pay

No.

A deputy sheriff from Georgia was suspended from his job after appearing at a Halloween party in blackface. When you work for the government, and have attained tenure, they have to follow certain protocols. They will suspend with pay until an investigation is complete. It's one sided to pretend that this protection does not extend to white people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/16/chad-palmer-blackface_n_4283978.html

Nodin

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Oh it's out there. Just google.

....would you not be better off taking it up with people who say it....?

Fr_Dougal

Gatling wrote: »

And just when you think it can't get any worse in the states

Actually, I never thought this.

Killer Wench

Truthfully, the classical definition of racism did exclude racism towards white people because true racism had more to do with having power and withholding it from other populations. Over time, racism and racialism blended into one word, and now we use racism to describe prejudice towards people of a different race.

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

And just when you think it can't get any worse in the states ,
Black supremacist yes I said black supremacist despite been under official investigation for several years gets to keep his $115,000 job with the department of homeland security ,despite in couraging violence and ethnic cleansing of uncle toms and white people ,and Gay people ,

http://rt.com/usa/ayo-kimathi-wald-dhs-982/

...yeah, they should just sack him out of hand without any procedure and end up being taken to court, losing, and forking out a wad of cash.

B.A._Baracus

Nodin wrote: »

....would you not be better off taking it up with people who say it....?

So I guess I should personally reply back to various youtube videos, articles, etc. I should concentrate 100% of my time to doing so... because you "told me so"

FFS. I mentioned it because of this thread - a black man being racist working in homeland security. It just reminded me. I watched a few videos of them were black american men (/african american men) went on about how only white people are racist in current america today and as I said in my first point ... i'd like to hear how they explain this so.

Nodin

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So I guess I should personally reply back to various youtube videos, articles, etc. I should concentrate 100% of my time to doing so... because you "told me so"

FFS. I mentioned it because of this thread - a black man being racist working in homeland security. It just reminded me. I watched a few videos of them were black american men (/african american men) went on about how only white people are racist in current america today and as I said in my first point ... i'd like to hear how they explain this so.

....well, unless one of them turns up here.....

Gatling

Nodin wrote: »

...yeah, they should just sack him out of hand without any procedure and end up being taken to court, losing, and forking out a wad of cash.

2 years under investigation tons of articles and videos and yet he's only recently put on leave ,

As another post linked to a cop getting suspended for dressing up at a Halloween party ,

B.A._Baracus

Nodin wrote: »

....well, unless one of them turns up here.....

(DOT DOT DOT) take your big wooden spoon out of the pot Point and randomly select another user on this thread and shit-stir with them (DOT DOT DOT)

Femme_Fatale

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Oh it's out there. Just google.

There's a perception that it's out there, but I'm not sure it's the reality.

The closest I've heard/read to "Only white people can be racist" (which is of course untrue) is that racism comes from different places - sometimes due to hatred of the "oppressor", sometimes due to hatred of people who are different, sometimes due to hatred of people who are deemed inferior... which is also true.

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

2 years under investigation tons of articles and videos and yet he's only recently put on leave ,

................... ,

"Kimathi’s former supervisor discovered Kimathi’s hateful Internet presence in mid-June. “When I saw the website, I was stunned,” she said. “To see the hate, to know that he is a federal employee, it bothered me”.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/08/21/dhs-employee-promotes-race-war-in-spare-time-advocates-mass-murder-of-whites/

Nodin

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

(DOT DOT DOT) take your big wooden spoon out of the pot Point and randomly select another user on this thread and shit-stir with them (DOT DOT DOT)

You've buried a point in there, I just know it.........

Killer Wench

This is the original definition of racism:

“a system of group privilege by those who have a disproportionate share of society’s power, prestige, property, and privilege..."

http://jimcrowmuseum.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html

Thus, if we were looking at Black and White people, because in the greater society whites held more power, prestige, property, and privilege, it was not possible for a black person to be racist towards a white person.

However, if we were talking about Blacks and Korean Americans in a predominately black neighborhood, then Blacks could be racist towards Korean Americans because they would hold more power, prestige, property, and privilege within that small context.

Back in the day, sociologists used "racism" to describe an unequal allocation of power and resources that is how the "black people can't be racist" began, but we now have a different common understanding of what racism is.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

that is not the original definition of racism that is one twats definition of racism, given straight after he gave two better ones

Gatling

He's not racist but a african american thug homopobe

RDM_83 again

Killer Wench wrote: »

This is the original definition of racism:



http://jimcrowmuseum.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html

Thus, if we were looking at Black and White people, because in the greater society whites held more power, prestige, property, and privilege, it was not possible for a black person to be racist towards a white person.

However, if we were talking about Blacks and Korean Americans in a predominately black neighborhood, then Blacks could be racist towards Korean Americans because they would hold more power, prestige, property, and privilege within that small context.

Back in the day, sociologists used "racism" to describe an unequal allocation of power and resources that is how the "black people can't be racist" began, but we now have a different common understanding of what racism is.

Thats not actually the true original definition of racism though is it ???

This paper published by the american social workers organisation puts the original meaning as

Racism
—
(original definition)the belief that allmembers of a purported race possess characteris-
tics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race,especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or supe-rior to another race or other races. Racism is a
particular form of prejudice defined by precon-
ceived erroneous beliefs about race and members
of racial groups.

http://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/8-PedOfRacismSWJournal.pdf

Killer Wench

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Thats not actually the true original definition of racism though is it ???

This paper published by the american social workers organisation puts the original meaning as

Racism
—
(original definition)the belief that allmembers of a purported race possess characteris-
tics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race,especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or supe-rior to another race or other races. Racism is a
particular form of prejudice defined by precon-
ceived erroneous beliefs about race and members
of racial groups.

http://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/8-PedOfRacismSWJournal.pdf

Yeah, it is actually true. That old definition dates back to the 1930s or 1940s. "Reverse racism" was used to describe a context when blacks held more power, property, and resources than whites. It was, essentially, the reversal of power. This is why using "reverse racism" with today's common understanding of racism simply doesn't make sense.

Carlos Orange

Killer Wench wrote: »

Yeah, it is actually true. That old definition dates back to the 1930s or 1940s. "Reverse racism" was used to describe a context when blacks held more power, property, and resources than whites. It was, essentially, the reversal of power. This is why using "reverse racism" with today's common understanding of racism simply doesn't make sense.

Seems a little odd that the definition of racism has nothing to do with race.

The Dom

I thought Macy Grey got a new job.

mandrake04

Killer Wench wrote: »

This is the original definition of racism:



http://jimcrowmuseum.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html

Thus, if we were looking at Black and White people, because in the greater society whites held more power, prestige, property, and privilege, it was not possible for a black person to be racist towards a white person.

However, if we were talking about Blacks and Korean Americans in a predominately black neighborhood, then Blacks could be racist towards Korean Americans because they would hold more power, prestige, property, and privilege within that small context.

Back in the day, sociologists used "racism" to describe an unequal allocation of power and resources that is how the "black people can't be racist" began, but we now have a different common understanding of what racism is.

No it's not, I just looked it up on Dictionary.com

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
—Related forms
rac·ist, noun, adjective
an·ti·ra·cism, noun

Nodin

The Dom wrote: »

I thought Macy Grey got a new job.

?

camel jockey

Very disappointing story. Sends the wrong message.

RDM_83 again

Killer Wench wrote: »

Yeah, it is actually true. That old definition dates back to the 1930s or 1940s. "Reverse racism" was used to describe a context when blacks held more power, property, and resources than whites. It was, essentially, the reversal of power. This is why using "reverse racism" with today's common understanding of racism simply doesn't make sense.

Did you actually read the paper?
Or are you saying the definition I cite there isn't the "original" definition because it goes back to the 30's or 40's

Here's another example of why the definition your giving, which I am guessing is probably has its roots in the 60's to the 80's and was designed to fit a specific agenda in the USA, is incorrect for the 'original' meaning of the word.

Its clear that even in 1893 the phrase Black Racist could be used (not Reverse Racism!)

"What right do white racist, who believe their race is superior, have for complaining about black racists, who see something special in their own race? What right do black racists, who see a special character in their race, have for complaining about white racists? White men who think their race makes them superior to black men admit the idea of racial difference and authorize and initiate black racists. Black men who proclaim their race-when what they are really proclaiming is the spiritual identity that distinguishes one ethnic group from another-authorize and incite white racists. Peace demands of Nature the recognition of human rights; discrimination is contrary to Nature and to the enemy of peace. Whites who isolate themselves also isolate Negroes. Negroes who isolate themselves incite and isolate whites."

From My Race by Jose Marti published 1893
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/race/MyRace.htm
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/271406?uid=3738232&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102958277237

notnumber

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I'm not sure I've ever heard/read "Only white people can be racist".

oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die/

Killer Wench

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Did you actually read the paper?
Or are you saying the definition I cite there isn't the "original" definition because it goes back to the 30's or 40's

Here's another example of why the definition your giving, which I am guessing is probably has its roots in the 60's to the 80's and was designed to fit a specific agenda in the USA, is incorrect for the 'original' meaning of the word.

Its clear that even in 1893 the phrase Black Racist could be used (not Reverse Racism!)

"What right do white racist, who believe their race is superior, have for complaining about black racists, who see something special in their own race? What right do black racists, who see a special character in their race, have for complaining about white racists? White men who think their race makes them superior to black men admit the idea of racial difference and authorize and initiate black racists. Black men who proclaim their race-when what they are really proclaiming is the spiritual identity that distinguishes one ethnic group from another-authorize and incite white racists. Peace demands of Nature the recognition of human rights; discrimination is contrary to Nature and to the enemy of peace. Whites who isolate themselves also isolate Negroes. Negroes who isolate themselves incite and isolate whites."

From My Race by Jose Marti published 1893
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/race/MyRace.htm
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/271406?uid=3738232&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102958277237

ism (zm)
n. Informal
A distinctive doctrine, system, or theory

This discussion evolved because some were discussing how Black folk justify that they can't be racist towards White people. I stated that the original definition of racism was about power and resources that were hoarded by a specific race.

I specifically used the term "racism" to talk about a power structure. I specifically used "reverse racism" because the original definition traces back to the reversal of power between whites and blacks.

The concept of "race" has been around since the beginning of American slavery, so I don't dispute that race and racist were around in the 1890s. We casually refer to racism without really acknowledging that it is a structured system of belief.

chopper6

Gatling wrote: »

He's not racist but a african american thug homopobe

Here's a couple more...none of whom have been sent to jail for inciting hatred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYML_F1Nb0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGv8PQr8Uo4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9DcvRAHLVs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xQtryE1stw

RDM_83 again

Killer Wench wrote: »

This discussion evolved because some were discussing how Black folk justify that they can't be racist towards White people. I stated that the original definition of racism was about power and resources that were hoarded by a specific race.

I specifically used the term "racism" to talk about a power structure. I specifically used "reverse racism" because the original definition traces back to the reversal of power between whites and blacks.

The concept of "race" has been around since the beginning of American slavery, so I don't dispute that race and racist were around in the 1890s. We casually refer to racism without really acknowledging that it is a structured system of belief.

Bullsh*t

Here is your quote

Killer Wench wrote: »

Truthfully, the classical definition of racism did exclude racism towards white people because true racism had more to do with having power and withholding it from other populations. Over time, racism and racialism blended into one word, and now we use racism to describe prejudice towards people of a different race.

Basically what your saying is that there is "racism" and "racism" which are two different concepts?

The term and the concept of racism as applicable to all "races" was around long before it was defined in the manner you speak of but your definition of "racism" is the classic and original one even though I can show that it was used in the a more universal manner before it was redefined by certain theorists.

If you are correct show me an earlier usage of the word in the context you describe your meant to be the expert here or have we reached a point where later redefinitions have became the "original" and "classical" because they suit agendas.

Edit: I think its revealing the way you use the word "true racism"

Nodin

notnumber wrote: »

oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die/

Quote mining is a bad, bad thing. Very bad.

Jonny7

Racism doesn't have some monopoly on a particular colour, it's an equal rights employer

However it's power/effect/connotations can vary hugely and are generally rooted in history - and hence sensitivity to it

e.g. Germans against Jews, Whites against Blacks (worldwide), English against Irish and so on

Xeyn

notnumber wrote: »

oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/oprah-racism-will-end-when-all-the-old-white-people-die/

Please show where she states that only white people can be racist or even where she says the sensationalist headline that 'racism will end when all the old white people die'

What she actually said that there is a generation of older people who were entrenched in racism because of the time and environment they grew up in and that attitudes have moved on so it's likely racism will improve when that generation dies out.

I don't agree with her at all but she certainly did not say that only whites can be racists.

clairefontaine

Jonny7 wrote: »

Racism doesn't have some monopoly on a particular colour, it's an equal rights employer

However it's power/effect/connotations can vary hugely and are generally rooted in history - and hence sensitivity to it

e.g. Germans against Jews, Whites against Blacks (worldwide), English against Irish and so on

What no one really wants to talk about are the revenge streaks in "oppressed groups." I was in NYC when Dinkins was mayor. We had Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley and the "central park jogger."

And then of course the famous Lorena Bobbit feminist hero.

Then back when my mother had moved as a child from England to Ireland, she had stones thrown at her by Irish students because she was considered English.

Femme_Fatale

Movie on RTE One now with Samuel L. Jackson playing a really anti-white asshole. And the WASP guy in it gets hassle from other black guys too. It isn't shying from the reality of such a dynamic either. I agree it is less highlighted, but it's simply not true that racism by non whites against whites isn't acknowledged.