Weber carb for Vauxhall Nova .

dooroy

A friend's son has a 1992 Vauxhall Nova with the 1.4NV engine .
At present it has a 2E3 Pieberg carburetor but as some of you may know the Pieberg can be very unpredictable - runs fine for a while and then hesitates etc at random .
He would like to replace the Pieberg with a suitable Weber ( 32/34 DMTL ?) but a new one is very expensive . As the owner is a student he is trying to locate a second hand carb but no luck so far .
Any ideas/suggestions/places to try would be very much appreciated .

ARGINITE

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MercMad

I swapped a 2E3 to a Weber on a 14NV years back and I used a K&N filter but the carb was VERY prone to icing at high RPM's low temperature. Perhaps it would be easier to repair the Pierburg ??

dooroy

Thanks for replies .
Have been trying ebay but nothing coming up -except one in Greece.
He was hoping to find a second hand one, hopefully in Ireland .
As regards the icing I read about that somewhere - and came across it years ago on other cars when pipe from exhaust manifold to carry warm air to carb was often broken or missing . Nice to hear from someone with first hand experience.
He has a K&N filter fitted on the Pieberg - and there is no connection on that for a connection from the exhaust . So I presume the Pieberg could also suffer once temps drop . I suggested the original 'pancake' type be fitted but appearances are important.
May be worth trying a recon kit for the Pieberg - I just don't like the Pieberg having suffered trying to keep them 'tuned' in various VW's in the past .

CJhaughey

Those Pierburgs are crap, a halfway house between F.I. and Carbs IMHO.
I had a 1986 Mk2 1.6 Golf that came with a Pierburg 2E2 and had no end of trouble with carb icing, car would run fine for 10 miles then start to stutter and eventually stop.
After leaving it for 5 minutes you could drive on no problems.
I got a secondhand Weber and fitted that and never had any problems.
I only scrapped the car a few years back unfortunately.
Try looking for one from a Golf, they may have been more popular on them?

dooroy

The Pieberg it seems got more complicated as time went on and the makers tried to meet the demands for lower emissions by adding on various 'enhancements' .
As I said I had only trouble from them ( on Golfs mostly) - you could get it running perfectly but a few days later it would be back to its old tricks .
I had a 1600E Cortina many moons ago with a twin choke Weber - sold it with over 200K mls and it was still running fine ; the Webers were built to last and were very reliable .
Didn't think of looking for one from a VW - thanks for that suggestion:) .

kasper

try in the classic car section of boards here , someone might have an old carb lying about

ianobrien

Webcon have a conversion kit for £239 plus VAT.

http://www.webcon.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=577&cat=Nova

If that's too much, try looking at Ford CVH's as they were fitted with the same carb (jetting may be different mind), '83 to '92(ish) 1.3 and 1.6 Ford Escort, Orion and Fiesta XR2, if you can't find one bolted to a VW.

shamwari

ianobrien wrote: »

Webcon have a conversion kit for £239 plus VAT.

http://www.webcon.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=577&cat=Nova

If that's too much, try looking at Ford CVH's as they were fitted with the same carb (jetting may be different mind), '83 to '92(ish) 1.3 and 1.6 Ford Escort, Orion and Fiesta XR2, if you can't find one bolted to a VW.

The Pierburg's used in the Ford's CVH's were utter crap too. I didn't realise its the same one as the Nova / Corsa. Biggest problem we had with them were the jets wearing prematurely, diaphragm's failing, and (if I'm recalling the right carb) a horrid automatic choke thingy (run from coolant pumped through it) that frequently acted the maggot. We replaced some with a Webber carb that had a manual choke.

ianobrien

shamwari wrote: »

The Pierburg's used in the Ford's CVH's were utter crap too. I didn't realise its the same one as the Nova / Corsa. Biggest problem we had with them were the jets wearing prematurely, diaphragm's failing, and (if I'm recalling the right carb) a horrid automatic choke thingy (run from coolant pumped through it) that frequently acted the maggot. We replaced some with a Webber carb that had a manual choke.

Ford's generally didn't use Pierburg's, unless you go way back to the likes of the Prefect. They used their own VV's and they were equally crap or Webers for higher states of tune. Some CVH's had the correct Weber (XR2, XR3, some 1.3's) and it's them I was referring to.

shamwari

ianobrien wrote: »

Ford's generally didn't use Pierburg's, unless you go way back to the likes of the Prefect. They used their own VV's and they were equally crap or Webers for higher states of tune. Some CVH's had the correct Weber (XR2, XR3, some 1.3's) and it's them I was referring to.

Sorry, I though you had said they were Pierburg on the Ford - my bad! In fairness it's 20 years since I worked on one of those and I couldn't remember 100% what make they. But I do remember they weren't the best Carb about either and replacing them with an aftermarket modified one. In these cases they were all 1.4 and 1.6 CVH's on Escorts.

dooroy

I converted this Pieberg to manual choke because the auto choke was a source of many problems . But I still have no faith in it - having read some of the write-ups on tuning a Pieberg convinced me that it would be a waste of time : there are so many things to set/adjust/measure and it was also suggested that you need to use a gas analyser to get good results
I also remember the VV on some of the Fords and they were very poor also and many were converted .
Will try the classic section and see how it goes - there's a good chance that someone somewhere has a suitable Weber , just to find it. The finances are a bit tight with him at the moment so the webcon kit a bit out of reach . He did try McNamaras in Dublin and was quoted €430 for a conversion kit .
Thanks for all the ideas .

Slideways

I'll send you a PM of a guy in Sligo that may be able to help

dooroy

Thanks , will contact him