reports of Passenger jet crash in Kazan Russia

http://rt.com/

44 people feared dead.

The passenger aircraft Boing 737 exploded while it was landing in the airport of Kazan at 15:25 GMT, according to Interfax. The flight was heading from Moscow.

N7777G

It's reported to be B737-53A VQ-BBN which visited Dublin in 2011

photo:- http://flic.kr/p/anM4rL

Kenny2012

A couple more shots of VQ-BBN arriving in Dublin.

http://flic.kr/p/anGEdp
http://flic.kr/p/anL2t7

Ken

ProfessorPlum

http://avherald.com/h?article=46b9ecbc&opt=0

Suasdaguna1

Appears it crashed on its 3rd attempt. Many airlines have a policy that after 2 missed approaches it's a mandatory divert unless the weather improves by 100%. Maybe fuel was an issue, who knows until the accident report comes out.

sully2010

Heres a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koUV3xRIraU

How does an aborted landing end up like this? Horrendous for the people on board RIP

ProfessorPlum

That looks like it was falling out of the sky as opposed to making an attempt at an approach. Will be interesting to see what comes out in the investigation. RIP

shedweller

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

That looks like it was falling out of the sky as opposed to making an attempt at an approach. Will be interesting to see what comes out in the investigation. RIP

And fell hard. That video was slowed down!

kona

Microburst?

Blue Punto

kona wrote: »

Microburst?

Whilst a Microburst can have and has in the past had this effect on an aircraft the angle at which it seems to have hit the ground(Vertical/nose first -straight down)would suggest the answer lies elsewhere

But you never know

Horrific for anyone to go through RIP

weisses

Well according to that Video lack of fuel can be almost ruled out

Simon Gruber Says

My best guess would be that somehow the aircraft entered into a stall and since it was attempting to land, would have been too low to recover.

Regardless of cause, it's still an awful tragedy.

homerjay2005

weisses wrote: »

Well according to that Video lack of fuel can be almost ruled out

why?

gordongekko

homerjay2005 wrote: »

why?

im guessing the big explosion and fire.

Simon Gruber Says

Fuel vapour is extremely flammable, so even if the fuel was low an explosion can still occur.

martinsvi

normally at an altitude that low, you cant stall an airliner so that you end up with a nose-down crash. There are some rumours that plane on the previous leg was shaking violently during landing. I'd put my money on hydraulics issue - something forced those elevators to bend.. if it's not faulty hydraulics, perhaps an unauthorized person entered the cockpit and forced the plane to crash.

what we saw on the video is unbelievable, if it's real

knucklehead6

total speculation here, but could it have been that rudder hard over problem that hit the earlier models of 737?

those a/c hit the ground in a nose down attitude too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues

drumswan

N7777G wrote: »

It's reported to be B737-53A VQ-BBN which visited Dublin in 2011

photo:- http://flic.kr/p/anM4rL

How do you know it visited Dublin out of Interest? Shamrock Rovers chartered a flight Dublin to Kazan that year.

Simon Gruber Says

knucklehead6 wrote: »

total speculation here, but could it have been that rudder hard over problem that hit the earlier models of 737?

those a/c hit the ground in a nose down attitude too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues

Possible, if I remember correctly that was a problem with the hydraulic actuator for the rudder failing. I would have assumed an airworthiness directive was issued after the cause was found though.

Blue Punto

drumswan wrote: »

How do you know it visited Dublin out of Interest? Shamrock Rovers chartered a flight Dublin to Kazan that year.

Because the link provided shows a picture of the said aircraft taken by the poster at Dublin airport.

It is the aircraft used by the Ruben Kazan football team that played Rovers that year

gordongekko

Blue Punto wrote: »

Because the link provided shows a picture of the said aircraft taken by the poster at Dublin airport.

It is the aircraft used by the Ruben Kazan football team that played Rovers that year

wow that's mad. I was going to ask what would it be doing in Dublin so thanks for answering.

knucklehead6

Simon Gruber Says wrote: »

Possible, if I remember correctly that was a problem with the hydraulic actuator for the rudder failing. I would have assumed an airworthiness directive was issued after the cause was found though.

There was. Like i said, it's pure unadulterated speculation.

The only reason i even said it is because of the video showing the steep nose down angle

murphaph

Poor feckers on board. Had a long time to ponder their fates.

keith16

Absolutely horrific. RIP.

N7777G

drumswan wrote: »

How do you know it visited Dublin out of Interest? Shamrock Rovers chartered a flight Dublin to Kazan that year.

Because I took the picture of it at Dublin when it came in to collect the Kazan team who had played Shamrock Rovers the previous night.

lomb

murphaph wrote: »

Poor feckers on board. Had a long time to ponder their fates.

Id say the opposite and that it looked like it was over rather quickly mercifully. Rip to them.

murphaph

lomb wrote: »

Id say the opposite and that it looked like it was over rather quickly mercifully. Rip to them.

They were on their 3rd attempt at landing though. For a pilot/crew a go around might be something they occasionally experience, for the average passenger one go around is a very rare event (I consider myself a frequent enough flyer and I have never experienced one despite some hairy landings in very poor weather), let alone 2 failed attempts at landing. They would have been very anxious people for many minutes even before the eventual loss of total control and nose dive. AV Herald now reporting that initial readings from FDR indicate things were not handled properly by the flight crew and it seems they are already strongly suggesting that pilot error was the ultimate cause of the crash, Amazingly they are also suggesting that the CVR was missing from its housing and that they are looking for it (I imagine if it's missing it's because it wasn't present in the first place)

sully2010

Interesting article:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/crashed-737-pushed-into-dive-during-go-around-393302/

It says the pilots pushed the aircraft into a 75 degree dive but also:

"Investigators point out that the aircraft did not exceed its angle-of-attack limit, indicating that there was no stall."

Why would they have pushed it into such a dive with no stall warnings. They do mention this possibility:

"Somatogravic illusion occurs when the brain, in the absence of visual references, misinterprets the sensations caused by rapid acceleration, during a climb, as excessive pitch. This can cause pilots to react with sharp nose-down input, enough to push the aircraft into a dive at low altitude."

weisses

Makes me even more worried getting on a plane

Russian investigators said Friday that the pilot who sent a Boeing 737 into a near-vertical dive that killed all 50 people on board might have had a fake license.

Investigative Committee spokesman Vladimir Markin said that the investigators believe some pilots working for small regional Russian airlines aren't properly trained but have received fake licenses in centers certified by the aviation agency.

Markin said that the pilot who sent the Boeing 737 into a dive after an aborted first landing attempt had received his license in a small training center that has since been shut down. He said the investigators were conducting searches for documents related to the activities of such centers.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-fears-pilots-fake-licenses-21121244

keith16

weisses wrote: »

Makes me even more worried getting on a plane in Russia

FYP. Hard to believe stuff like this is still happening in Russia, wasn't it a similar story with the pilots who crashed the aircraft carrying the Yaroslavl ice-hockey team?