weanling - Won't stand up

lakill Farm

have a 9 month old weanling and he wount get up. he is a friesan bull calf so bucket fed

He was ok yesterday but refuses to get up today. he is on a straw bedded shed. He is eating drinking and I about got to lift him and he will just slide back to the ground when you let go.

what could it be? ill call vet in the morning either way but want to know

Dont be daft

Could have split his back legs.

Had a lad do it here last night on the slats. Lovely sight to be greeted 1st thing on a Sat morning:rolleyes:

Sharpshooter82

seen something like that before, hardly blackleg

lakill Farm

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

seen something like that before, hardly blackleg

I never vaccinated. no idea

Sharpshooter82

lakill Farm wrote: »

I never vaccinated. no idea

seen a calf in england collapse in field at 12 noon and was dead at 9pm same day from black leg. feel around the joints and legs for scar tissue, its one of the signs

Wigster

Possibly blackleg, lost a fr 2 years ago. Wouldnt get up was first symptom

bbam

lakill Farm wrote: »

have a 9 month old weanling and he wount get up. he is a friesan bull calf so bucket fed

He was ok yesterday but refuses to get up today. he is on a straw bedded shed. He is eating drinking and I about got to lift him and he will just slide back to the ground when you let go.

what could it be? ill call vet in the morning either way but want to know

This sounds stupid but is he lying ok? If he got a hurt from another animal they'll often be odd looking when down, a leg hung out wrong or such like... look for swellings at joints too.

Sometimes a pain will make them lie down like that...

Has he any bloated look??

TUBBY

Sounds like a hurt i would say but one other thing. Was he circling or acting strangely before not getting up. Would it be listeriosis by any chance. Is the feed any way mouldy.

lakill Farm

TUBBY wrote: »

Sounds like a hurt i would say but one other thing. Was he circling or acting strangely before not getting up. Would it be listeriosis by any chance. Is the feed any way mouldy.

all fresh silage. herself said he looked about dizzy yesterday

could be the tiniest bit of mould on silage,

Sharpshooter82

is there heavy breathing or does it seem to be in pain.

lakill Farm

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

is there heavy breathing or does it seem to be in pain.

neither. and eating all he can and drinking water and all

Sharpshooter82

lakill Farm wrote: »

neither. and eating all he can and drinking water and all

could be a vet job

lakill Farm

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

could be a vet job

I have her on standby. she will call by in the morning

Sharpshooter82

lakill Farm wrote: »

I never vaccinated. no idea

we always dose for blackleg around here, might be no harm in future

cristeoir

I think it could possibly be white muscle disease , I remember having a couple of weanlings with this a few years back - spent weeks lifting and injecting them with vitamen E and selenium but in the end had to get them put down

lakill Farm

cristeoir wrote: »

I think it could possibly be white muscle disease , I remember having a couple of weanlings with this a few years back - spent weeks lifting and injecting them with vitamen E and selenium but in the end had to get them put down

ok. ill get the vet onto it straight away

mikeoh

lakill Farm wrote: »

neither. and eating all he can and drinking water and all

any temp if not and he is passing dung and water I wouldn't worry too much about him he will be up in the morning

td5man

lakill Farm wrote: »

all fresh silage. herself said he looked about dizzy yesterday

could be the tiniest bit of mould on silage,

Meningitis?

lakill Farm

td5man wrote: »

Meningitis?

wount think so. happy as larry sitting down eating. Vet said to throw an egg into him and she be around later

whelan1

lakill Farm wrote: »

wount think so. happy as larry sitting down eating. Vet said to throw an egg into him and she be around later

he probably needs energy, so the egg would help and maybe a couple of lectade and a kick up the butt:D

bbam

Maybe some coffee?

Kovu

bbam wrote: »

Maybe some coffee?

And boil that egg and cut him some soldiers while you're at it:D
Was the vet out yet?

simx

bbam wrote: »

Maybe some coffee?

Had a cow down before and vet told me to give her a bucket of coffee, she wasnt so impressed

bbam

simx wrote: »

Had a cow down before and vet told me to give her a bucket of coffee, she wasnt so impressed

We've given coffee a few times and it definitely gives them a lift.. Vet smiled but agreed it wasn't any harm and would indeed give them a tep boost which is often enough to get them up and about again..
She cautioned against giving it to any animal with scour though.. which is fairly self explanatory..

Farmer Pudsey

Could be anything from peunomia to old-nomia TBH we would only be guessing. I would take his temperature as a precaution. I would get the vet asap

Massey10

If it's not whitemuscle don't think the vet can do much for him.

whelan1

Massey10 wrote: »

If it's not whitemuscle don't think the vet can do much for him.

what is whitemuscle?

RobertKK

bbam wrote: »

Maybe some coffee?

I have been known to give some tea. Once they get the taste for it they are no different to us.

bbam

whelan1 wrote: »

what is whitemuscle?

http://www.thecattlesite.com/diseaseinfo/258/white-muscle-disease

White muscle disease is also known as nutritional myopathy of calves. It is normally is seen in young calves and is associated with deficiencies of selenium or vitamin E, or both

mikeoh

mikeoh wrote: »

any temp if not and he is passing dung and water I wouldn't worry too much about him he will be up in the morning

Is he up??

lakill Farm

mikeoh wrote: »

Is he up??

No gave him eggs and electroites. Vet coming in morning

J DEERE

RobertKK wrote: »

I have been known to give some tea. Once they get the taste for it they are no different to us.

I remember rearing a weak whitehead bull on tea before. I was only a young lad at the time but I remember mixing tea and milk together for him. In fairness it done the job on him. Don't know if there are any scientific explanations behind it

mikeoh

lakill Farm wrote: »

No gave him eggs and electroites. Vet coming in morning

Hope things work out

SKIPPY150

Had a couple of weanlings like that here, seemed ok one day and couldn't get up next. got vet to look at them and we treated them for rumen fluke. like yours they were eating well but still getting weaker, took nearly two weeks of handfeeding and tlc to bring them around, now there still way behind there comrades but there alive

lakill Farm

SKIPPY150 wrote: »

Had a couple of weanlings like that here, seemed ok one day and couldn't get up next. got vet to look at them and we treated them for rumen fluke. like yours they were eating well but still getting weaker, took nearly two weeks of handfeeding and tlc to bring them around, now there still way behind there comrades but there alive

recent?

bob charles

lakill Farm wrote: »

No gave him eggs and electroites. Vet coming in morning

how come you didnt get the vet to come yesterday or today? You will be looking at having spent 40hrs getting quack diagnosis on here since first noticing symptoms.

Bodacious

its probably a hurt he got.. its not blackleg anyaway Lakill as he'd be dead by now!! leg would be all swelled and hot as gas trapped beneath skin.. I saw that vet up in mayo on vets in practice at one .. he kept prodding the leg with needle to release gas as itll help I suppose until drug kicks in

lakill Farm

bob charles wrote: »

how come you didnt get the vet to come yesterday or today? You will be looking at having spent 40hrs getting quack diagnosis on here since first noticing symptoms.

she said try the egg and him electroiates in him and she would come out when passing. Well thats what her and my OH decided. I wasnt in the loop at all, im just a farm labourier

Sharpshooter82

lakill Farm wrote: »

she said try the egg and him electroiates in him and she would come out when passing. Well thats what her and my OH decided. I wasnt in the loop at all, im just a farm labourier

there was me thinking you were the man in charge

bob charles

lakill Farm wrote: »

she said try the egg and him electroiates in him and she would come out when passing. Well thats what her and my OH decided. I wasnt in the loop at all, im just a farm labourier

I think your place needs a new CEO

whelan1

how is he now?

SKIPPY150

lakill Farm wrote: »

recent?

Was last back end , had them dosed but not for rumen fluke . Appearently its still a problem this year too or at least that's what my vet tells me

lakill Farm

whelan1 wrote: »

how is he now?

getting there slowly but is on the way back

KatyMac

That's good, once they turn the corner you should work him.

Farmer Pudsey

lakill Farm wrote: »

getting there slowly but is on the way back

What did the vet put it down to

lakill Farm

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

What did the vet put it down to

I wasnt there. She IV him and gave him a shot.

Farmer Pudsey

lakill Farm wrote: »

I wasnt there. She IV him and gave him a shot.

This is one place you learn alot is when vet is doing anything finding out what is wrong. If she IV him it is more than likly a virus or peunomia. handy to know, I have the young fella wised up that if I am not there ask the vet what is wrong and what is he giving him.

Dont be daft

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

This is one place you learn alot is when vet is doing anything finding out what is wrong. If she IV him it is more than likly a virus or peunomia. handy to know, I have the young fella wised up that if I am not there ask the vet what is wrong and what is he giving him.

Couldn't agree more. Anytime the vet's around here we'll wreck his head with questions till we know what we're looking at.
Always learn something new from a callout.
Some vets are only delighted to chat away, some just want to get away:D

whelan1

lakill Farm wrote: »

I wasnt there. She IV him and gave him a shot.

what drug did it say on the prescription?

Farmer Pudsey

Dont be daft wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Anytime the vet's around here we'll wreck his head with questions till we know what we're looking at.
Always learn something new from a callout.
Some vets are only delighted to chat away, some just want to get away:D

He might as well earn his pay. And hopefully you will learn something every now and again that will save you having to call him.