A near miss

jeffk

Driving to the zoo today and for most of my journey i was behind a builder provider truck , he had four pallets of cavity blocks in the back

Got to the lights just at Nevin road at the guarda station , as he goes to drive off the brace on one of the pallet breaks and off fly two blocks , lucky i wasn't behind him enough to damage my car

Queue me beeping at him as he drives off and trying to tell the driver behind me to let me reverse to go around them
He pulled in just up the road and i beeped and pointed at the blocks

Crazy how careless or lazy they loaded it considering what damage it could have done
I wish i got a picture or just his reg and reported him

dnme

jeffk wrote: »

Driving to the zoo today and for most of my journey i was behind a builder provider truck , he had four pallets of cavity blocks in the back

Got to the lights just at Nevin road at the guarda station , as he goes to drive off the brace on one of the pallet breaks and off fly two blocks , lucky i wasn't behind him enough to damage my car

Queue me beeping at him as he drives off and trying to tell the driver behind me to let me reverse to go around them
He pulled in just up the road and i beeped and pointed at the blocks

Crazy how careless or lazy they loaded it considering what damage it could have done
I wish i got a picture or just his reg and reported him

or you could get over it and move on. Stuff happens, we're all human.

Donnelly117

dnme wrote: »

or you could get over it and move on. Stuff happens, we're all human.

You wouldn't be saying that of you got a cavity block I'm through your windscreen at 50-60 mph...

dnme

Donnelly117 wrote: »

You wouldn't be saying that of you got a cavity block I'm through your windscreen at 50-60 mph...

Nobody got a block through their windscreen at 50-60 mph..

So like I say - get over it and move on. Stuff happens, we're all human.

jeffk

dnme wrote: »

or you could get over it and move on. Stuff happens, we're all human.

So if you drove behind him and it fell onto your car, you'd be ok? Or if he was near the path or a cyclist and hit someone, sure that be ok as well?

He wasn't going around the corner, it was a main road and he had them more or less lose on the bed an then had no straps or nets over them. All the way down he was about twenty feet from the car in front and kept tipping the brakes, obviously nervous they would slide.

Toyotafanboi

jeffk wrote: »

So if you drove behind him and it fell onto your car, you'd be ok? Or if he was near the path or a cyclist and hit someone, sure that be ok as well?

of course in those situations it wouldn't be ok.

but those situations didn't happen. luckily, nothing really happened. non event, move on and count yourselves lucky.

i wonder what they are building with cavity blocks

dnme

Nothing bad happened anyone. A couple of blocks broke away from a lorry. Such is life. We can't remove risk completely and who'd want to. Things happen. In your case nothing or no one was hurt or damaged.

Get over it fella.

evolving_doors

Did it nearly hit you or nearly miss you?

jeffk

Sorry I started a thread now , people more worried about the brick type and my wording, then the serious matter of building material unsafely being transported on a main road.

Toyotafanboi

jeffk wrote: »

Sorry I started a thread now , people more worried about the brick type and my wording, then the serious matter of building material unsafely being transported on a main road.

big difference between a brick and a cavity block if you're dropping them on your toe :pac:

he might have followed procedure to the final degree in terms of carrying loads. had all the correct covers and straps etc but in reality problems do happen, the world is not perfect.

but in this instance no people or property were damaged so there's no real need to feel so aggrieved. it's unfortunate you got a fright but that's just life.

evolving_doors

If you had a video, then ya, defo great story.....otherwise its a thinly veiled 'I did something good and people need to know about it ' thread

Sheldons Brain

You gotta love this forum. In one thread you have people driving along minding their own business and its all "get the fúck out of the way". Then you have people driving along pegging out blocks on the road and it is a case of "**** happens, get over it".

RandomAccess

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

You gotta love this forum. In one thread you have people driving along minding their own business and its all "get the fúck out of the way". Then you have people driving along pegging out blocks on the road and it is a case of "**** happens, get over it".

This thread is getting a slightly odd response alright.

SV

Why do you wish you reported him?
Nothing actually happened in the end did it? To err is human. To be a dick is..unfortunately also human.

Cycling Dumbasses

The driver of the builders providers truck never did his risk assessment,
Risk- carrying blocks, hazards - they grow wings, control - stop carrying red bull in truck.

SV

anyway the driver didn't actually do anything wrong, the brace broke..you should complain to the company that manufactures the braces.

jeffk

To help clear it up , when i said brace i meant the plastic stuff you put around say a box and crimp a metal clip around and cut it off
We all know the stuff , its just hard to explain it

i take it nothing happened etc , but as its a forum and you can discuss issues
i wanted to talk about a driver on a main busy road who didnt bother fixing down his load properly

Cycling Dumbasses

jeffk wrote: »

To help clear it up , when i said brace i meant the plastic stuff you put around say a box and crimp a metal clip around and cut it off
We all know the stuff , its just hard to explain it

i take it nothing happened etc , but as its a forum and you can discuss issues
i wanted to talk about a driver on a main busy road who didnt bother fixing down his load properly

Did you do your risk assessment before leaving home this morning? e.g your going to the zoo, potentially lions could escape, were you prepared for that?

Big Nasty

jeffk wrote: »

Or if he was near the path or a cyclist and hit someone, sure that be ok as well?

Don't you get extra points for that?

jeffk

jeffk wrote: »

To help clear it up , when i said brace i meant the plastic stuff you put around say a box and crimp a metal clip around and cut it off
We all know the stuff , its just hard to explain it

In fairness that's the standard way for blocks to be secured, you won't see them any better supported than that.

It's actually quite strong and is well able to hold blocks together, it may have been damaged on loading etc which caused it to break.

Mellor

jeffk wrote: »

Crazy how careless or lazy they loaded it considering what damage it could have done
I wish i got a picture or just his reg and reported him

In what was was it lazy?
Report him for what? The strap broke, that's hardly the drivers fault.

Leprechaun77

The OP is getting a bit of a hammering here....totally unwarranted IMO.

If a vehicle is carrying a load, it is the drivers responsibility to ensure it is secured. Granted, sh1t happens, but in most cases I've seen with regard to these loads, it is totally avoidable if proper precautions are taken.

I don't agree that just because nobody was injured or the brick did not hit his car that he should just jog on. If everybody did this, nobody would give a fook what way loads were carried. I was driving a few months ago and an unsecured load of road barriers fell off a service truck and smashed into the side of my car. A few grands worth of damage, but if it was a few hundred yards up the road it most likely would have taken out a pedestrian. The barriers were held on with some strap, but it seemed they were overloaded on the truck.

It is unclear in the OP's situation what was exactly at fault, but genuine accidents of this nature are few and far between. IMO it is almost always poor loading or insufficient restraints....not good enough if you are driving on public roads.

Mc1981

That plastic strapping is used to secure plenty of heavy loads. If he hadn't bothered to stop you could report him but he did and as you said the strap broke. Just be glad there was no damage and forget about it.

djimi

I actually cant believe the "get over it, nothing actually happened" response in this thread. Have people no grasp on how serious this could have been had the block hit the car?

These things dont just happen; its why we have safety measures in place when securing loads on trucks etc. If a block falls off the back of a truck then its somebodies fault; its not an act of God.

Supergurrier

Strong pong of Irish attitude here.

The load was obviously too high.

Tyrical Irish but if someone died or got badly injured everyone would be up in arms with the "shurre isn't it fierce shock in" attitude.

We are all responsible for road safety, personally I would have reported it.

Cee-Jay-Cee

How was it a near miss? If something nearly missed you then that suggests it almost missed you but didn't.

In this case the blocks didn't hit your car and so it was not a near miss. It was a full miss.

jeffk

How near do the bricks need to be for a near miss ? They fell off a high truck , broke and landed near enough i had to reverse to go around them

Back to spilting hairs and ignoring the main issue of a diver with a dangerous load on a busy main road

Also it was a good twenty feet before he pulled in , he should have put the hazards on and got out and picked his bricks up , he had a high load , was driving away and the car behind him was stopped and beeping him

funny all this happened as good as outside a police station

Toyotafanboi

jeffk wrote: »

How near do the bricks need to be for a near miss ? They fell off a high truck , broke and landed near enough i had to reverse to go around them

Back to spilting hairs and ignoring the main issue of a diver with a dangerous load on a busy main road

Also it was a good twenty feet before he pulled in , he should have put the hazards on and got out and picked his bricks up , he had a high load , was driving away and the car behind him was stopped and beeping him

funny all this happened as good as outside a police station

would you like to see the driver get jail time? lose his license? his job?

what do you see as an appropriate disciplining?

jeffk

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

would you like to see the driver get jail time? lose his license? his job?

what do you see as an appropriate disciplining?

he should do his job properly , break the pallets down so they are level or below the sides

its up to his boss , but the nature of the job means unless its reported it didnt happen

Supergurrier

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

would you like to see the driver get jail time? lose his license? his job?

what do you see as an appropriate disciplining?

Points and or fine.

When you drive a work vehicle its all on the driver and he should ensure everything is correct.

If a pallet of blocks is being held with the strapping designed just to keep them in shape on the pallet and not actual straps designed to hold them down then that's points and a fine.

Any truck driver who has come across an RSA checkpoint knows how easy it is to get reamed on doe/faults/unsecure loads/social welfare check etc

Different standards are expected of commercial vehicles and rightly so.

Donnelly117

jeffk wrote: »

he should do his job properly , break the pallets down so they are level or below the sides

its up to his boss , but the nature of the job means unless its reported it didnt happen

I had a plank of wood come off the back of a truck and hit my car when we were doing 70ish mph. Blew off the lower half of my bumper. Truck turned off at the next exit (dunno whether or not he saw what had happened). Long story short this lazy prick didnt bother securing a load in the back of his truck, I was left buying a new bumper and I was lucky it didnt hit my car a bit higher as it would have come in through the windscreen and at 70 mph that is guaranteed to result in a massive crash. If your going to transport stuff in a truck...make sure it stays in the truck!

FrPhelimYoung

I think this brings home what can happen if the necessary precautions aren't taken to secure a load.

http://www.thejournal.ie/transport-company-fined-e1m-fatal-crash-809405-Feb2013/

DuckSlice

Yawn

Supergurrier

etxp wrote: »

Yawn

Trust me you wouldn't be long waking up if a steel reinforced kerb landed in the passenger seat beside you

Donnelly117

etxp wrote: »

Yawn

hilarious... :rolleyes:

vermin99

Ye havnt much to be complaining about down the country its fairly common for a neighbour of mine to have the bales high up one comes off we just ring him ,not a bother .and infarnious with the price of diesil you'd be trying to get the most outa that load

FrPhelimYoung

dnme wrote: »

Nothing bad happened anyone. A couple of blocks broke away from a lorry. Such is life. We can't remove risk completely and who'd want to. Things happen. In your case nothing or no one was hurt or damaged.

Get over it fella.

I didn't wear my seatbelt and got to my destination without dying. Guess I don't actually need it next time.

Kenny Logins

CJC999 wrote: »

How was it a near miss? If something nearly missed you then that suggests it almost missed you but didn't.

In this case the blocks didn't hit your car and so it was not a near miss. It was a full miss.

The blocks definitely did fall off the truck though, and that is a problem.

Spook_ie

jeffk wrote: »

Driving to the zoo today and for most of my journey i was behind a builder provider truck , he had four pallets of cavity blocks in the back

Got to the lights just at Nevin road at the guarda station , as he goes to drive off the brace on one of the pallet breaks and off fly two blocks , lucky i wasn't behind him enough to damage my car

Queue me beeping at him as he drives off and trying to tell the driver behind me to let me reverse to go around them
He pulled in just up the road and i beeped and pointed at the blocks

Crazy how careless or lazy they loaded it considering what damage it could have done
I wish i got a picture or just his reg and reported him

jeffk wrote: »

How near do the bricks need to be for a near miss ? They fell off a high truck , broke and landed near enough i had to reverse to go around them

Back to spilting hairs and ignoring the main issue of a diver with a dangerous load on a busy main road

Also it was a good twenty feet before he pulled in , he should have put the hazards on and got out and picked his bricks up , he had a high load , was driving away and the car behind him was stopped and beeping him

funny all this happened as good as outside a police station

Point of Order

Clarify for me, did he pull in because you honked or did he pull in when he saw the bricks on the road and realised that his load was no longer secure ( i.e When the bricks on the road were no longer in his blind spot when he drove forward)?

As to an offence then yeah he would be technically guilty of an insecure load for 20 feet but he stopped presumably to rectify the situation when the load became insecure due to a failure of a strap, I assume you had no cause for concern until then.

jeffk

Id say he pulled in when he seen people cutting into the buslane to go around something , my beeping probably helped , but with the way it was loaded id guess he half expected it

he went from the lights just at the police station on the Nevin road down to about the school and pulled into an entrance

jeffk

jeffk wrote: »

he should do his job properly , break the pallets down so they are level or below the sides

its up to his boss , but the nature of the job means unless its reported it didnt happen

The load could have been loaded for him by someone else when he wasn't even there.

Sure his boss could even have loaded it for him or been there and told him to pile it high to save diesel, get in an extra drop off etc etc. It's necessarily the drivers fault the size of the load.

DuckSlice

Supergurrier wrote: »

Trust me you wouldn't be long waking up if a steel reinforced kerb landed in the passenger seat beside you

considering how rare the use of steel reinforced kerbs are i will take my chances

jeffk

Jayden Incalculable Tango wrote: »

The load could have been loaded for him by someone else when he wasn't even there.

Sure his boss could even have loaded it for him or been there and told him to pile it high to save diesel, get in an extra drop off etc etc. It's necessarily the drivers fault the size of the load.

well he isnt much of a driver if he doesn't make sure his load is secure before driving off

also all he had to do was take two rows of bricks off a put em on another pallet or whoever was loading them do it before loading