John Huss and Protestant reform

verbumdei

Hi have seen John Huss mentioned as one of the Fathers of protestant reform. However when you look at his writings and read history it seems he was far more aligned with Catholic teaching than what you have today in some protestant churches.

His death without a doubt is a black stain on the Church, (he died during the reign of 3 Popes contending as Bishops of Rome).

He challenged that Status Quo, but was he really a heretic? Has his name been borrowed by a movement he ultimately would not have supported?

SoulandForm

verbumdei wrote: »

Hi have seen John Huss mentioned as one of the Fathers of protestant reform. However when you look at his writings and read history it seems he was far more aligned with Catholic teaching than what you have today in some protestant churches.

His death without a doubt is a black stain on the Church, (he died during the reign of 3 Popes contending as Bishops of Rome).

He challenged that Status Quo, but was he really a heretic? Has his name been borrowed by a movement he ultimately would not have supported?

He thought justification by Faith and denied the Papacy.

He was sentenced to burn at the stake by a Council that declared that a Church Council was higher than the Pope.

Yes he was a proto-Protestant, however he didnt preach any of the excesses of the Reformation.

lmaopml

There was a lot of that I guess..a lot of water under the bridge between brothers and sisters, many 'names' - far too much imo.

I think it's about time that adults in faith put it to bed and reach out, certainly not to compromise their faith, but at least to 'see' each other clearly, and accept each other as sincere at the very least - I think that's a pretty cool thing that Christians above all are most likely capable of in this world, and that is no small thing.

Melancholy serves it's purpose, but there is something more than that - a race to be won, and the starting line is painted in the sands of each life time since the reformation, and the counter reformation etc. - we need to remember yesterday, but live today.

verbumdei

SoulandForm wrote: »

He thought justification by Faith and denied the Papacy.

He was sentenced to burn at the stake by a Council that declared that a Church Council was higher than the Pope.

Yes he was a proto-Protestant, however he didnt preach any of the excesses of the Reformation.

Thats the thing he didn't deny the Papacy or preach justification by Faith. Infact all he really wanted was to live the Catholic Faith. The problem of the Papacy during his time was that It was contended by 2 and then 3 Popes. And John XXIII (antipope) used the papacy to sell indulgences for a war.. Huss wasn't against the Papacy as such, just against the abuses.

Since there was a crisis of Authority, people during to Holy Scripture. Huss never Apostolic succession of the Bishop of Rome was wrong, he didn't preach against this.

SoulandForm

verbumdei wrote: »

Thats the thing he didn't deny the Papacy or preach justification by Faith. Infact all he really wanted was to live the Catholic Faith. The problem of the Papacy during his time was that It was contended by 2 and then 3 Popes. And John XXIII (antipope) used the papacy to sell indulgences for a war.. Huss wasn't against the Papacy as such, just against the abuses.

Since there was a crisis of Authority, people during to Holy Scripture. Huss never Apostolic succession of the Bishop of Rome was wrong, he didn't preach against this.

He did though; which is why he was sentenced as a heretic by the Council of Constance which itself came extremely close to denying the Papacy, and infact reducing the role of the Pope of Rome to that of the Patriarch of Constaninople in Orthodoxy.

Papal Supremacy and Apostolic Succession are two different issues. He never opposed Apostolic Succession (Anglicans and many Lutherans dont either).

martinedwards

a load of the "founding fathers" of protestantism were trying to reform the Roman Catholic church and had no intention of breaking away and starting their own denominations.

Luther?

May have been the father of protestantism but he only ever intended to get the RC church to smarten up it's act.

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He preached justification by faith which is entirely biblical. The only ones who have a problem with that are those who say living a good life and doing good works save a person.

santing

Did the RC Church ever repent of the murder of Jan Huss? Apart from expressing "deep regret for the cruel death inflicted"?

SoulandForm

santing wrote: »

Did the RC Church ever repent of the murder of Jan Huss? Apart from expressing "deep regret for the cruel death inflicted"?

They consider the Council that condemned him to death as being itself heretical and so dont count it officially.