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Wonda-Boy

Was thinking of pulling the trigger on this Samsung lads, any opinions on it good or bad?

Or if you can recommend one in or around the same price.

Thanx

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-187-SA&groupid=17&catid=1120

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/samsung_s27b970d.htm

stylie

Whats the usage split between gaming and normal use ?

Your a BF player if I remember my boardsies, playing BF4 on a 1440p will mean lower frame rates and smaller HUDs. If you are buying a monitor for gaming then a 1080 with 120hz or 144hz would be better.

Wonda-Boy

TBH it is mostly gaming, browsing the new and a small bit of photography editing. I built the rig for gaming. I dont mind the lower FPS as I can just buy a GPU to remedy that, but I am confident that the ATi 6990 that I have will deffo give me playable rates with that monitor at that res.

Why would a 1080p 120/144hz monitor be better? I take it that it the refresh rate....the human eye AFAIK can only see 75mhz after that you cant tell the difference. If its purely because my card will struggle then that no probs.

Thanx for the input m8

marco_polo

According to TFTCentral this uses the exact same PLS panel as the Samsung itself and is much cheaper. (Put LTM270DL02 into the Panel search function)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/PB278Q-Widescreen-Multimedia-2560x1440-DisplayPort/dp/B009668YPM/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1384536183&sr=1-1&keywords=Asus+PB278Q

Outside of that I couldn't say I know much about the pros and cons of PLS vs IPS though as I hadn't even heard about PLS until this thread .

Wonda-Boy

marco_polo wrote: »

According to TFTCentral this uses the exact same PLS panel as the Samsung itself and is much cheaper. (Put LTM270DL02 into the Panel search function)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/PB278Q-Widescreen-Multimedia-2560x1440-DisplayPort/dp/B009668YPM/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1384536183&sr=1-1&keywords=Asus+PB278Q

Outside of that I couldn't say I know much about the pros and cons of PLS vs IPS though as I hadn't even heard about PLS until this thread .

Lovely stuff....will deffo have a look see at that. Many thanx.

stylie

Playing BF with 120hz+ is so very very smooth, I would not go back to 60hz. I just bought a monitor Wednesday after weeks of looking around. I wanted to get a 1440p all along, my friend though has both a 1440p and 1080 120hz monitor so I checked them out. BF on the 1440p is not great, the hud is tiny and while you can turn of AA thats the only benefit. Playing it on the 1080 with fast hz and low response is a much better gaming experience.
So for the best gaming monitors they are 1080's with high refresh times and low response times. For everything else the 1440 is better.

Wonda-Boy

stylie wrote: »

Playing BF with 120hz+ is so very very smooth, I would not go back to 60hz. I just bought a monitor Wednesday after weeks of looking around. I wanted to get a 1440p all along, my friend though has both a 1440p and 1080 120hz monitor so I checked them out. BF on the 1440p is not great, the hud is tiny and while you can turn of AA thats the only benefit. Playing it on the 1080 with fast hz and low response is a much better gaming experience.
So for the best gaming monitors they are 1080's with high refresh times and low response times. For everything else the 1440 is better.

What monitor did you go for in the end? I am purple in the face looking at reviews at this stage :rolleyes:

Also if you get a 120hz monitor does that mean you need the hardware to get up around 100+ FPS to take advantage of it? Not too up to speed on the monitor tech TBH.

stylie

Hi,

You dont need to be doing greater than 60fps to get the advantage of 120hz monitors, the gpu can send updates to the screen twice as fast reducing the odds of screen tearing for one. Overall its going to be a lot smoother and our aim will be better.

I was in your situation, I built this PC a month ago and spend more time trying to figure out what to do for a monitor than I did researching the parts. It was the friends dual screen hat convinced me to get a gaming monitor first and down the line a 1440p.
In the end I picked this
http://www.dabs.ie/products/iiyama-prolite-g2773hs-gaming-monitor-1ms-hdmi-vga---dual-link-dvi-8JS5.html?q=ProLite%20G2773HS%20Gaming%20Monitor%201MS%20HDMI%20VGA%20&%20Dual%20Link%20DVI&src=16


It is cheaper then a lot of gaming monitors leaving me a bit of budget for a 1440p down the line. And its not bad, sound is **** off the native speakers and the stand is cheap looking but at the end of the day the game looks good.

I am using a 7950 and i7 4470K (neither overclocked)and getting 30-50fps on Ultra settings, when i go back to High settings I am getting 60+. But the game regardless of fps is super smooth when its not rubberbanding but thats a BF4 problem not the hardware.

I really wanted to get a BenQ monitor as they have flip a button pre sets and a new monitor coming out this month but impatience got the best of me. They also have a thing where you can use the setting off pro gamers to get the monitor balance just right.

http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2720z/

This is a very good review site
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/index2.html

Big list of 120hz monitors
http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/120hz-monitors/
the pingbacks articles at the end are very interesting

pro's for 120hz gaming
http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/sagalla/blog/120hz-gaming-monitor-exploring-the-benefits/102181/


I feel bad for throwing a 120Hz spanner into the works but it is better for gaming.

Wonda-Boy

Many thanx for the input, at the end of the day its about gaming and a better overall experience. So I have no probs going with the 120/144hz monitors. Are there any 2560x1440 res 120/144hz monitors out there. If there are they are very hard to find.....

As I said my trouble is that I am coming from a very very good 24" TFT, if I was gaming on some crap monitor I would bite the bullet alot quicker.

Cheers for the links m8 have a good bit of research to do.

battser

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Many thanx for the input, at the end of the day its about gaming and a better overall experience. So I have no probs going with the 120/144hz monitors. Are there any 2560x1440 res 120/144hz monitors out there. If there are they are very hard to find.....

As I said my trouble is that I am coming from a very very good 24" TFT, if I was gaming on some crap monitor I would bite the bullet alot quicker.

Cheers for the links m8 have a good bit of research to do.

You looking at selling that monitor?

Wonda-Boy

battser wrote: »

You looking at selling that monitor?

Reluctantly, prolly yes. I would love to keep it but that would DEFFO mean getting a more powerful GPU to power both of monitors.

I will send you a link to the review of it Battser....

battser

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Reluctantly, prolly yes. I would love to keep it but that would DEFFO mean getting a more powerful GPU to power both of monitors.

I will send you a link to the review of it Battser....

Nice one

Wonda-Boy

So basically the 120/140hz monitors have the older and "inferior" panel so to speak. But they are alot more responsive but less colour accuracy and vibrancy. The IPS/PLS panels are better to look at but do not offer the same response times or refresh rates but generally have better or higher res. which would be arkward to say the least playing fast FPS games like BF4.

Really does depend on what you are after. I would love a 120hz with 2560x1440 res and a low response time....just not being made yet.

Wonda-Boy

Right lads need an honest to goodness answer on these two panels, deffo getting either one of these. Which would you prefer?

Asus PB278Q
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-043-AS&groupid=17&catid=1120

or

http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2720z

BloodBath

Skipped a few posts here.

Just want to give my 2c about 120hz monitors. The guy who said 120hz is better regardless of whether you can get 120fps is wrong. It won't improve your aim. It will do the complete opposite.

If you can't get a solid 120 fps then your frame rate will be variable meaning your sensitivity will also be variable. That means you can't build up the muscle memory required to gain an advantage and improve your aim.

The best thing you can do to improve your aim is to disable mouse acceleration in windows, turn your mouse dpi settings near max and balance that with the windows sensitivity settings. This way you can get both high dpi and controllable mouse movements. Then keep the game at a max frame rate that it won't dip below.

Wonda-Boy

BloodBath wrote: »

Skipped a few posts here.

Just want to give my 2c about 120hz monitors. The guy who said 120hz is better regardless of whether you can get 120fps is wrong. It won't improve your aim. It will do the complete opposite.

If you can't get a solid 120 fps then your frame rate will be variable meaning your sensitivity will also be variable. That means you can't build up the muscle memory required to gain an advantage and improve your aim.

The best thing you can do to improve your aim is to disable mouse acceleration in windows, turn your mouse dpi settings near max and balance that with the windows sensitivity settings. This way you can get both high dpi and controllable mouse movements. Then keep the game at a max frame rate that it won't dip below.

I dont think that is what he said at all, if you have the power in the PC to get anything over 60fps then it will be a bonus. As in the game will look and run alot smoother....which can only be a good thing. Its got nothing to do with improving my aim or stats etc etc I do alright with them in 60hz lol.

Do you have a 120hz monitor or did you read this online? If so what make of monitor is it and how do you find it overall.

Burgo

BloodBath wrote: »

The best thing you can do to improve your aim is to disable mouse acceleration in windows, turn your mouse dpi settings near max and balance that with the windows sensitivity settings. This way you can get both high dpi and controllable mouse movements. Then keep the game at a max frame rate that it won't dip below.

Yes you should turn off mouse accel, but you should never mess with the windows sensitivity. It should always stay on 6/11. The lower the dpi = more control not higher.

BloodBath

Can you explain that Burgo? Why should it stay on 6/11?

I upped my mouse dpi and lowered that to 4/11.

SterlingArcher

BloodBath wrote: »

Can you explain that Burgo? Why should it stay on 6/11?

I upped my mouse dpi and lowered that to 4/11.

Blood can you help guy out with pc build for .1000 I don't have time today. He posted a wee. Ago but was overlooked. 1000 no monitor or keyboard mouse needed. Denominator

Wonda-Boy

Anyway back on topic plllllllllllllllllzzzz....

Either the 2560x1440 Asus with the low response times or the brand new only out Benq X2707Z ( it think its called)

stylie

Two weeks ago I pretty much asked the same question

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87338182

Do you know anyone with a 1440p ? In the end seeing one gaming helped make my decision to go for the 120hz solution.
Have you tried reddit ? you might get more answers there.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/

Burgo

BloodBath wrote: »

Can you explain that Burgo? Why should it stay on 6/11?

I upped my mouse dpi and lowered that to 4/11.

At 6/11 it you get a 1:1 pixel ratio.

some interesting details here: under section 1.2
http://www.overclock.net/t/173255/cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide

sorry for the off topic.

stylie

Have you made a decision yet ?
Redditors seem to really like this monitor and site
http://www.ipsledmonitors.com/QNIX-QX2710LED-Evolution-II-Monitor-p/qni2.htm

Wonda-Boy

99% sure I will go with this or anything with a similar spec to it. I have had a good look around the net and there are serious issues with the Qnix with backlight bleed and dead pixels, so coming from the USA I dont need the heartache.

I would love a 120/140hz screen but I aint paying a premium for a TN panel in this day and age. I would rather have the 2560x1440 with a premium screen. If I need to invest in a better GPU I will. But I am fairly confident that the 6990 will power BF4 at 60fps with the Asus screen.

I am getting 100+ FPS on my 1920x1200 with everything on ULTRA no motion blur or other little tweaks.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-043-AS&groupid=17&catid=1120

stylie

Thought the Qnix would throw another spanner in the works
Buying monitors right now is like navigating a minefield.
Pick two flip a coin and if you are even slightly disappointed with the outcome choose the other one

Wonda-Boy

There is a lad on adverts selling the monitor I am buying......he is looking for €500 not short of what they are new.

stylie

Why is he selling ?

Wonda-Boy

stylie wrote: »

Why is he selling ?

Jammy fcuk.er is getting a 4K screen.....so he says. :rolleyes:

stylie

More money then sense, 4K right now is a waste of money

Portlawslim

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

99% sure I will go with this or anything with a similar spec to it. I have had a good look around the net and there are serious issues with the Qnix with backlight bleed and dead pixels, so coming from the USA I dont need the heartache.

I would love a 120/140hz screen but I aint paying a premium for a TN panel in this day and age. I would rather have the 2560x1440 with a premium screen. If I need to invest in a better GPU I will. But I am fairly confident that the 6990 will power BF4 at 60fps with the Asus screen.

I am getting 100+ FPS on my 1920x1200 with everything on ULTRA no motion blur or other little tweaks.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-043-AS&groupid=17&catid=1120

few quid cheaper on amazon:)

When you get this will you let us all know how you get on with it?
I'm in the same situation myself, looking to change and wanting a higher res, seem's to be the better upgrade from 1080p rather than more hz

EoinHef

http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/zkb-04rand/80012405/asus-pb278q-27/details.aspx


Komplett.ie have the Asus for €519, if you live in dublin you can collect from depot and avoid delivery charges. Or in fact if you live anywhere else too lol. Just be easier if in dublin!

marco_polo

EoinHef wrote: »

http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/zkb-04rand/80012405/asus-pb278q-27/details.aspx


Komplett.ie have the Asus for €519, if you live in dublin you can collect from depot and avoid delivery charges. Or in fact if you live anywhere else too lol. Just be easier if in dublin!

The PUP is closed since the middle of this year (unfortunately as it was very handy pour moi), so it is all UPS from the warehouse now.

EoinHef

marco_polo wrote: »

The PUP is closed since the middle of this year (unfortunately as it was very handy pour moi), so it is all UPS from the warehouse now.

Did not realise that:( Was very handy for me also. Nice savings to be had on a few items.
Not sure how much they'd charge delivery in that case for such a big item, amazon may be cheaper overall possibly then.

Wonda-Boy

Dont want to get into it on here but Komplett are a disaster to deal with NEVER AGAIN. Bought two €800 GPUs of them twice and nothing but ****. Amazon on the other hand are excellent.