Disgraceful UL jobs Vacancy

TheRingslayer

I noticed today that on the UL internal vacancies, there is a Jobsbridge scheme advertised. The Slave Labour scheme, orchestrated by the current gombeens running the country. The US went to war over slavery and the current youth of today is being sold into servitude. Shocked to see UL take advantage of this programme and more importantly the young people out there. Pump the youth out with shit degrees, with no hope of getting a qualification, then draw them back in and leech every ounce of self respect from them. It's an absolute disgrace. Having someone with a degree work 40 hours a week replying to emails and making coffees and be bossed around by someone who did a six month FAS IT course.

Jester252

Oh no I just got my staff email up and running.

lomb

Someone has to do the work, whats your problem? There are 5 or 6 airports/ ferry terminals, if people dont like things they can walk as skills are portable. Not everyone can have a good useful degree by definition. Social equality worldwide means people need to get degrees but dont really need them. Sure its a few relaxing years in college anyway.

gozunda

lomb wrote: »

Someone has to do the work, whats your problem? There are 5 or 6 airports/ ferry terminals, if people dont like things they can walk as skills are portable. Not everyone can have a good useful degree by definition. Social equality worldwide means people need to get degrees but dont really need them. Sure its a few relaxing years in college anyway.

In consideration of that reply I reckon you never have studied logic or reasoning ?

I agree wholeheartedly that of course slavery is good and third level education is really just for 'relaxing' (keep repeating that so that we may accept this enlightening idea) and we will learn all enjoy this Brave New World of poorly paid / genetically modified morons, else otherwise get your coat and take yourself out of the country. We are already ruled by a bunch of them so we may as well export any one that works hard for a decent level of education and has actual intelligence ....

Evergreen23

The Student Union from what I believe, also engaged with the jobbridge scheme for students on co-op last year.
Whilst the students would be fulfilling their module requirements, one would wonder if they would learn any real life work-experience inside the student union!

Jester252

Evergreen23 wrote: »

The Student Union from what I believe, also engaged with the jobbridge scheme for students on co-op last year.
Whilst the students would be fulfilling their module requirements, one would wonder if they would learn any real life work-experience inside the student union!

Coop and Jobbridge have nothing to do with each other.

Mr. CooL ICE

At least the internship might provide some decent skills and not training for mop and bucket usage. On the other hand, it's practically giving away a valuable co-op placement slot. Considering how difficult places for co-op can be to find, it's a bit of a farce.

Evergreen23

LordChessington wrote: »

At least the internship might provide some decent skills and not training for mop and bucket usage. On the other hand, it's practically giving away a valuable co-op placement slot. Considering how difficult places for co-op can be to find, it's a bit of a farce.

Jester was correct, my bad.

I agree with you, also an internship provides a payment of €233 (183+50) and the student union don't pay co-op students.

Jester252

LordChessington wrote: »

At least the internship might provide some decent skills and not training for mop and bucket usage. On the other hand, it's practically giving away a valuable co-op placement slot. Considering how difficult places for co-op can be to find, it's a bit of a farce.

Giving how bad ITD mess up the student email when they changed over maybe they want someone who has qualification to aid with the staff change over not a 3rd year student

Mr. CooL ICE

I worked in ITD for my placement. From my experience there, nothing would surprise me.

catallus

1 Member of staff per 10 students!!!! Is this normal?

testicle

Yes

Subutai

Jester252 wrote: »

Giving how bad ITD mess up the student email when they changed over maybe they want someone who has qualification to aid with the staff change over not a 3rd year student

We want your skills, we just don't want to pay for them...


UL Counselling Service was looking for a JobsBridge intern with a Masters Degree in psychology over the summer; I wonder if UL will be updating the career options for their psych programs to include "working for dole money"

Jester252

Subutai wrote: »

We want your skills, we just don't want to pay for them...


UL Counselling Service was looking for a JobsBridge intern with a Masters Degree in psychology over the summer; I wonder if UL will be updating the career options for their psych programs to include "working for dole money"

Maybe they can't afford a full time staff member and they are using the JobBridge scheme like it was meant to by actually offering proper internship.

Subutai

Jester252 wrote: »

Maybe they can't afford a full time staff member and they are using the JobBridge scheme like it was meant to by actually offering proper internship.

If they can get such highly skilled labour for free then what's the incentive to ever afford it in future? Just reduce the wage bill, use free labour, and spend the cash elsewhere. Hire intern after intern, claim that you're training them, when really you're replacing what should be paid positions.

It's shocking that the University are taking part in the complete devaluation of the labour of graduates.

Jester252

Subutai wrote: »

If they can get such highly skilled labour for free then what's the incentive to ever afford it in future? Just reduce the wage bill, use free labour, and spend the cash elsewhere. Hire intern after intern, claim that you're training them, when really you're replacing what should be paid positions.

It's shocking that the University are taking part in the complete devaluation of the labour of graduates.

Like most other interships if they perform an excellent job after the 6/9 months they could get hired. Also the time and cost to train new staff again and again.

Subutai

Jester252 wrote: »

Like most other interships if they perform an excellent job after the 6/9 months they could get hired. Also the time and cost to train new staff again and again.

Then that's definitely not the purpose of Jobsbridge, it's not an extended interview process.

One would assume that the bulk of training for someone with a Masters in Psychotherapy took place during their course, if indeed there is extensive further training requirements then
1. Are universities not then concerned that their advanced degree programmes are not training students in applicable skills.
2. Are vulnerable students to be used as the equivalent of training dummies?

Also, a great many internships and traineeships in the private sector are paid, from finance to IT to science. This isn't a graduate program that's being offered, in which case your point would be valid, it's the University taking on graduates as free labour. I know for Masters grads that's not where they will have been led to believe they would be as not long ago assistant psychologist positions were paid.

Jester252

Subutai wrote: »

Then that's definitely not the purpose of Jobsbridge, it's not an extended interview process.

One would assume that the bulk of training for someone with a Masters in Psychotherapy took place during their course, if indeed there is extensive further training requirements then
1. Are universities not then concerned that their advanced degree programmes are not training students in applicable skills.
2. Are vulnerable students to be used as the equivalent of training dummies?

Also, a great many internships and traineeships in the private sector are paid, from finance to IT to science. This isn't a graduate program that's being offered, in which case your point would be valid, it's the University taking on graduates as free labour. I know for Masters grads that's not where they will have been led to believe they would be as not long ago assistant psychologist positions were paid.

Did I say it was an extended interview process. Most companies are likely to hire people who the know performed well at their job via an internship or coop. You get your name known in a company via these scheme so if in future a position opens up or they need more staff your C.V stands out more.

There is a difference from a degree and job training. A degree is meant to get you qualified in a field of study. Its not there to train you for a job.

The university might not need the staff but are offering positions in order to allow people to get some experience and network. Is that a bad thing? Also they is no such thing as free labour. Have an employee will cost the university money regardless of it is on JobBridge or not.

J_E

Evergreen23 wrote: »

Jester was correct, my bad.

I agree with you, also an internship provides a payment of €233 (183+50) and the student union don't pay co-op students.

Wrong...an internship only pays 50 extra, many doing this would probably be on the bare minimum 100 a week, so 150 a week.

Jester252

Cydoniac wrote: »

Wrong...an internship only pays 50 extra, many doing this would probably be on the bare minimum 100 a week, so 150 a week.

That if their lucky

Evergreen23

Cydoniac wrote: »

Wrong...an internship only pays 50 extra, many doing this would probably be on the bare minimum 100 a week, so 150 a week.

Actually you're wrong!
25-34 year olds made up 45% alone. Majority of people on jobbridge would qualify for the maximum social welfare rate of €188 (see below).

Anyway I don't think its right that the ULSU refuse to pay Co-Op students. The officers pay themselves enough and if they want to take on students to do some of their work then maybe they should take a cut and redistribute the wages.


Table 2.3: Age Profile of JobBridge Participants
Age Band No. of Participants* %
15-19 236 2%
20-24 3,334 27%
25-34 5,666 45%
35-44 2,072 16%
45-54 989 8%
55+ 263 2%
Grand Total 12,560 100%

Source: Indecon analysis of data from DSP/JobBridge database
* Position as at 29th

reunion

Evergreen23 wrote: »

Actually you're wrong!
25-34 year olds made up 45% alone. Majority of people on jobbridge would qualify for the maximum social welfare rate of €188 (see below).

Anyway I don't think its right that the ULSU refuse to pay Co-Op students. The officers pay themselves enough and if they want to take on students to do some of their work then maybe they should take a cut and redistribute the wages.


Table 2.3: Age Profile of JobBridge Participants
Age Band No. of Participants* %
15-19 236 2%
20-24 3,334 27%
25-34 5,666 45%
35-44 2,072 16%
45-54 989 8%
55+ 263 2%
Grand Total 12,560 100%

Source: Indecon analysis of data from DSP/JobBridge database
* Position as at 29th

I don't think that accounts for people who can receive €0 a week from the dole. Jobsbridge becomes the only method for them to receive any money from the government (I don't know how many recieve €0 but I do know of 2 people who are on €0 a week so it is possible).

I would disagree about paying co-op students. It honestly depends on the calibre of student. The SU don't exactly go out of their way to take the first class honour students but rather they are left with the students who didn't get co-op.

If I was left with this as my only choice ; no coop and crappy modules versus crappy job; I'd take the coop. It would be different if you were talking about an unpaid job in a county you've never been to; that should get some money.

bullseye2010

Its not a bad scheme for work experience if the company give the employee enough responsibilities. Only 6% of JobBridge employers offer the intern a paid contract at the end of it and that needs to be addressed.