Alligators and Crocodiles

iDave

Seriously what is the difference?

Pherekydes

Don't you ever smile at a crocodile!

El Guapo!

Crocodiles have longer noses I think.

biko

One says "see you later", and the other says "in a while"

Merkin

http://animal.discovery.com/reptiles/alligator-vs-crocodile.htm

kneemos

Crocodile's cry apparently.
Gator's not.

Hoop66

Don't really know, apart from the eye thing and the teeth thing.

But it's a great thing for winding up people who do.

danniemcq

iDave wrote: »

Seriously what is the difference?

ummm as in how can you tell them apart or what?

From a distance it can be kinda hard especially if you are in Florida (only place where you can find both of them in the same area). generally though crocs are salt water and alligators are fresh water however its has been known to have either in the others enviornment.

The shape of the head is a big one and relates to the next point.

Crocs have a more pointy snout compared to a broader shape of an alligator.

This like i said leads to another point teeth! On an alligator with the broad face the teeth interlock a lot better compared to a croc where you may see the teeth outside the mouth (i think the forth tooth is very visable)

The skin also tells them apart, spots on the scales/skin mean croc, none mean alligator.

dodderangler

Male American gator would be about 12-14 foot and between 500-800lbs
Male saltwater croc can be 18-22foot and over a ton.

The colour of both is different.
Alligators are a lot darker. Alligators snout is shorter and doesn't have overlapping teeth for example when a alligator closes his mouth his teeth are hidden but when a croc closes his mouth both top and bottom row of teeth show and stick out.
Also crocs are a lot more aggressive and more prone to attacks.

kneemos

For all intensive proposes there's no differences.

martinedwards

if one has you by the leg.....

it doesn't matter!

so long as a boy crocs & gators, and a girl crocs and gators can tell the difference, that's all that really matters, right?

DellyBelly

Alligators live in the sea in Africa but Crocs live in marshes and fresh water. I saw loads of crocs in Florida when i was there...

danniemcq

DellyBelly wrote: »

Alligators live in the sea in Africa but Crocs live in marshes and fresh water. I saw loads of crocs in Florida when i was there...

are you sure they were all crocs?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/10/alligator-crawls-around-florida-walmart/

(Guess a NSFW warning as there is a god damn autoplay video on it of the incident so make sure volume is low!)

dodderangler

DellyBelly wrote: »

Alligators live in the sea in Africa but Crocs live in marshes and fresh water. I saw loads of crocs in Florida when i was there...

Other way around mate.
Alligators are only found in America and china.

danniemcq

martinedwards wrote: »

if one has you by the leg.....

it doesn't matter!

so long as a boy crocs & gators, and a girl crocs and gators can tell the difference, that's all that really matters, right?

Yeah if it has you by the leg try and drive your thumbs into its eye sockets, otherwise its the deathroll and drowning for you

dodderangler

danniemcq wrote: »

Yeah if it has you by the leg try and drive your thumbs into its eye sockets, otherwise its the deathroll and drowning for you

If you can spin with it in the death roll you'll live....... Until it drags you further under and drowns you and leaves you under a rock

danniemcq

dodderangler wrote: »

If you can spin with it in the death roll you'll live....... Until it drags you further under and drowns you and leaves you under a rock

Yeah its really not a nice way to go!

iDave

So aside from the differences in where they live and the size of their noses, is that it? Is that enough to be considered a separate species. Poodles and German Shepard's have more obvious differences but are still considered dogs. I presume they cant mate.

DellyBelly

dodderangler wrote: »

Other way around mate.
Alligators are only found in America and china.

Ah...think your the wrong one there...

rockbeast

A crocodile rocks. An alligator doesn't.

dodderangler

DellyBelly wrote: »

Ah...think your the wrong one there...

How am I wrong. It's a fact. Or are you gonna come up with a cheeky answer and say they're in zoos all around the world and sh1t? Or are you gonna include toe South American caiman as one?

danniemcq

DellyBelly wrote: »

Ah...think your the wrong one there...

nope he is spot on

American alligators are most commonly found in the southeastern United States, such as Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, and Texas. Florida and Louisiana have the largest populations of alligators in America, with each inhabited by around 1.5 million alligators. The only other species of alligator, the Alligator sinensis, is found in China and is a much smaller version of the American alligator. The United States is the only country in the world where alligators and crocodiles live side by side.

and

Crocodiles (subfamily Crocodylinae) or true crocodiles are large aquatic tetrapods that live throughout the tropics in Africa, Asia, the Americas and Australia.

the confusion could be the whole Florida thing as thats the only place they share a habitat with.

generally alligators are fresh water and crocs are salt water due to special glands

DellyBelly

Well i was told they were crocs from some people who live there so that's good enough for me....big feckers they were too.

Would like to see an alligator in the wild. I'm hoping to get to Africa over the next few years so might get to see one then...

dodderangler

DellyBelly wrote: »

Would like to see an alligator in the wild. I'm hoping to get to Africa over the next few years so might get to see one then...

Are you not reading what we're telling you?? Or just taking the piss???
There are NO alligators in Africa. Only crocs. As I said already that alligators are only found in America and china hence the names American alligator and Chinese alligator.

dodderangler

DellyBelly wrote: »

Well i was told they were crocs from some people who live there so that's good enough for me....big feckers they were too.
..

And yes there are crocs in Florida. They'll be seen in a lot of areas that alligators are also in. I didn't say there isn't crocs in America but I'm telling you there are no alligators in Africa

DellyBelly

dodderangler wrote: »

And yes there are crocs in Florida. They'll be seen in a lot of areas that alligators are also in. I didn't say there isn't crocs in America but I'm telling you there are no alligators in Africa

We'll agree to disagree....and leave it at that

gramar

Crocs are comfortable footwear. Alligator is a tasty energy drink called gatorade.

dodderangler

DellyBelly wrote: »

We'll agree to disagree....and leave it at that

Oh ffs do I have to put up some links to prove it.?
Think I've a book there for 5 year olds that tells them where they're from.
But sure what do books know

Riskymove

iDave wrote: »

So aside from the differences in where they live and the size of their noses, is that it? Is that enough to be considered a separate species. Poodles and German Shepard's have more obvious differences but are still considered dogs. I presume they cant mate.

it depends how you interperet "species"...they are both part of the same reptilian family but there are over 20 different species of Crocodylia

"species" can be used differently...e.g. the word "lion" is used to identify a specific "species"

however "deer" is a more generic term considered to cover over 30 different "species"

Skylinehead

DellyBelly wrote: »

We'll agree to disagree....and leave it at that

There's no disagreeing to be done, alligators are found only in the USA, and a few in China.

RainMaker

Skylinehead wrote: »

There's no disagreeing to be done, alligators are found only in the USA, and a few in China.

Let him go to Africa looking for Alligators, maybe he can take some photos of Kangaroos while he's there

What about the Caiman anyway - are they Alligators only smaller?

Skylinehead

RainMaker wrote: »

What about the Caiman anyway - are they Alligators only smaller?

Yeah pretty much.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Paleosuchus_palpebrosus_Prague_2011_3.jpg

Is it wrong that I want one?

stoneill

kneemos wrote: »

For all intensive proposes there's no differences.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=For%20all%20intensive%20purposes

lordRothery

I saw some Crocs in Namibia ...

easy enough to spot too ..

RainMaker

sounds like a croc of sh*t

kneemos

stoneill wrote: »

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=For%20all%20intensive%20purposes

I'll agree to disagree.

dodderangler

Skylinehead wrote: »

Yeah pretty much.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Paleosuchus_palpebrosus_Prague_2011_3.jpg

Is it wrong that I want one?

After I had a Bosc monitor I thought I was pretty much ready for any type of reptile and was going to get a dwarf caiman but they are aggressive little sh1ts and worse than a Bosc monitor. Plenty of caimans now being sold for nothing because people got them thinking they'd be cool but they're a lot of work

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

iDave wrote: »

Seriously what is the difference?

Beatles and Stones???

wretcheddomain

iDave wrote: »

Seriously what is the difference?

Alligators
- Primarily freshwater inhabitants
- A more rounded Jaw
- Upper teeth become visible when the mouth is shut
- Dermal pressure receptors only on the jaw
- Found mostly in United States, South America

Crocodiles
- Both freshwater and saltwater inhabitants
- A V-Shaped Jaw
- Upper and Lower Teeth become visible when the mouth is shut
- Dermal pressure receptors on the entire body
- Crocodiles found in Africa, North & South America, Asia.

* Both species can be found in Florida.

Skylinehead

dodderangler wrote: »

After I had a Bosc monitor I thought I was pretty much ready for any type of reptile and was going to get a dwarf caiman but they are aggressive little sh1ts and worse than a Bosc monitor. Plenty of caimans now being sold for nothing because people got them thinking they'd be cool but they're a lot of work

I wouldn't actually want one (because it's a bloody alligator-lite), but for the novelty...

Would definitely get a lizard of some sort.

dodderangler

Skylinehead wrote: »

I wouldn't actually want one (because it's a bloody alligator-lite), but for the novelty...

Would definitely get a lizard of some sort.

Avoid monitors mate. I've still the scars t prove it
Il be lookin t get a Argentinian tegu next if I get the money up
They're like puppy's when tamed

Hoop66

So these lizards...

YFlyer

RainMaker wrote: »

Let him go to Africa looking for Alligators, maybe he can take some photos of Kangaroos while he's there

What about the Caiman anyway - are they Alligators only smaller?

Caiman alligators are found in Brazil such as in the Pantanal. They are extremely placid. Tourist and others fish right next to them.

Skylinehead

dodderangler wrote: »

Avoid monitors mate. I've still the scars t prove it
Il be lookin t get a Argentinian tegu next if I get the money up
They're like puppy's when tamed

Yeah I've seen a few monitors, vicious things. Love the look of that tegu, might have to invest in one once I move out of the apartment into a house.

bodhrandude

dodderangler wrote: »

Oh ffs do I have to put up some links to prove it.?
Think I've a book there for 5 year olds that tells them where they're from.
But sure what do books know

Ah, but does paper refuse ink?

dodderangler

Skylinehead wrote: »

Yeah I've seen a few monitors, vicious things. Love the look of that tegu, might have to invest in one once I move out of the apartment into a house.

Seen a tegu eat 6 medium sized rats alive in under two mins. Absolute easts but could pick him up after and he'd sleep on your shoulder. Just watch the claws. Like an eagle talons

Skylinehead

dodderangler wrote: »

Seen a tegu eat 6 medium sized rats alive in under two mins. Absolute easts but could pick him up after and he'd sleep on your shoulder. Just watch the claws. Like an eagle talons

Sounds nice :pac:

kop-end

Pherekydes wrote: »

Don't you ever smile at a crocodile!

No you can't get friendly with a crocodile...

danniemcq

kop-end wrote: »

No you can't get friendly with a crocodile...

ah ya can, you just have to buy them dinner first

pickarooney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvNREFdat2A