Tenants....Check Your PayStubs!

UCDVet

Spent the better part of an hour on the phone with revenue trying to figure out why property tax had been deducted from my pay....

Apparently, if you've ever rented and the actual owner hasn't paid the tax, they are happy enough to take your hard-earned money. Haven't lived there in two years? Currently renting somewhere else? Doesn't matter!

When I asked, specifically, what information they had that suggested I owned the property in question I was told, 'Oh we must have gotten your name somewhere.'

Lucky for me I caught it after only paying 300 quid.

No letters, no contact, never owned a house, currently renting and registered with the PRTB at a different address, the same address that is on file with Revenue.ie, the same address that has been on my last two GNIB (yes, I'm a dirty immigrant, stealing jobs...but still...) - doesn't matter! They can and will take your money, no questions ask!

And when you notice it, good news, just spend 45 minutes on hold and it shouldn't be more than a week, or two, before they'll let your employer stop taking the tax. Then, just wait for the payslip after that, showing a zero amount for LPT, then, collect up all your payslips, mail then on to Revenue with a note, explaining you don't own any property.

THEN WAIT. Apparently they've wrongfully taken money from so many people they currently have a 4 or 5 week BACKLOG of people who want their money back.

Ranting aside, if you have a job and you've ever rented anywhere; best to have a check. They aren't very particular about whose money they take.

If I'm lucky, I'll get the stolen 450 back sometime in January.
(AND, if you can believe it, I had to instruct them NOT TO MAIL IT THE ADDRESS I JUST SAID I DON'T OWN. Seriously.)

Gummy Panda

This is exactly what people feared would happen

Fr_Dougal

Pay yore taxes, we all partied.

Blue Crystal

Theyre on par with Three for uselessness

The Diabolical Monocle

Thats what ya git for rentin.


T'is dead money.

Blue Crystal

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Thats what ya git for rentin.


T'is dead money.

Thank you for time warping from a drinking den in D4 circa 2006 to tell us that

Eight Ball

It's no wonder we are losing are best and brightest. Seriously what a f u c k up of a nation we are.

NuckingFacker

Eight Ball wrote: »

It's no wonder we are losing are best and brightest. Seriously what a f u c k up of a nation we are.

You're staying so?

The Backwards Man

UCDVet wrote: »

Lucky for me I caught it after only paying 300 quid.

. . .



If I'm lucky, I'll get the stolen 450 back sometime in January.

Hmmm. . . .

UCDVet

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Hmmm. . . .

Yes - that is correct.

They took 150 on October 1st.
They took 150 on November 1st.

I've now contacted them, but until my employer's HR department receives and processes the notice from revenue to stop taking LPT, they have no choice but to deduct it from my pay-check. I was told it could take 'a week or two'. Presumably, they will take 150 on Dec. 1st.

Then, after I get my Dec. pay-stub, they advised me to mail in all three pay stubs (150+150+150 == 450). I get the pay-stubs electronically, so I can mail my letter with the stubs early in Dec. It will take a few days in the post, then they have a processing backlog of 4-5 weeks *currently* but nobody knows if it will be better or worse in Dec.

So, if I'm lucky, I'll get 450 mailed back to me in January.

Thankfully, I'm fairly comfortable financially; so this will just be an annoyance for me. I can't imagine what it would be like if it were money I needed to pay my rent.

snubbleste

Get on to Joe Duffy immediately.
This is a dissssssssssssgrace

Augmerson

Has this happened to anyone else?

The Backwards Man

UCDVet wrote: »

Yes - that is correct.

They took 150 on October 1st.
They took 150 on November 1st.

I've now contacted them, but until my employer's HR department receives and processes the notice from revenue to stop taking LPT, they have no choice but to deduct it from my pay-check. I was told it could take 'a week or two'. Presumably, they will take 150 on Dec. 1st.

Then, after I get my Dec. pay-stub, they advised me to mail in all three pay stubs (150+150+150 == 450). I get the pay-stubs electronically, so I can mail my letter with the stubs early in Dec. It will take a few days in the post, then they have a processing backlog of 4-5 weeks *currently* but nobody knows if it will be better or worse in Dec.

So, if I'm lucky, I'll get 450 mailed back to me in January.

Thankfully, I'm fairly comfortable financially; so this will just be an annoyance for me. I can't imagine what it would be like if it were money I needed to pay my rent.

What band is it in if you're paying €150 a month?

keith16

UCDVet wrote: »

(150+150+150 == 450)

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM............................. . . . . . .

mad muffin

It's only forced saving...

UCDVet

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What band is it in if you're paying €150 a month?

I dunno about the bands, I haven't paid much attention since I don't own. The actual amount taken was 151.75.

I was paying 900 per month for the place (2+ years ago). The guy that owned the apartment also owned the rest of the building (four stories, but I don't know how many units it was divided into). It wasn't in the best shape though. It's along the N11 in Dublin 4; but I don't know if they'd look at the building as a whole, or each apartment individually?

The landlord also owns several other buildings. The people on the phone implied that 'nobody' had paid the tax though, so I don't know if he's dodging the tax or that revenue just messed up and charged us both.

OP are you one of those people who lives in a castle and the owner gives you cheap rent just because they're glad to have the place occupied?

constance tench

UCDVet wrote: »

Spent the better part of an hour on the phone with revenue trying to figure out why property tax had been deducted from my pay....

Apparently, if you've ever rented and the actual owner hasn't paid the tax, they are happy enough to take your hard-earned money. Haven't lived there in two years? Currently renting somewhere else? Doesn't matter!

When I asked, specifically, what information they had that suggested I owned the property in question I was told, 'Oh we must have gotten your name somewhere.'

Lucky for me I caught it after only paying 300 quid.

No letters, no contact, never owned a house, currently renting and registered with the PRTB at a different address, the same address that is on file with Revenue.ie, the same address that has been on my last two GNIB (yes, I'm a dirty immigrant, stealing jobs...but still...) - doesn't matter! They can and will take your money, no questions ask!

And when you notice it, good news, just spend 45 minutes on hold and it shouldn't be more than a week, or two, before they'll let your employer stop taking the tax. Then, just wait for the payslip after that, showing a zero amount for LPT, then, collect up all your payslips, mail then on to Revenue with a note, explaining you don't own any property.

THEN WAIT. Apparently they've wrongfully taken money from so many people they currently have a 4 or 5 week BACKLOG of people who want their money back.

Ranting aside, if you have a job and you've ever rented anywhere; best to have a check. They aren't very particular about whose money they take.

If I'm lucky, I'll get the stolen 450 back sometime in January.
(AND, if you can believe it, I had to instruct them NOT TO MAIL IT THE ADDRESS I JUST SAID I DON'T OWN. Seriously.)

Inform the Data Protection Commissioner also.

UCDVet

Deleted User wrote: »

OP are you one of those people who lives in a castle and the owner gives you cheap rent just because they're glad to have the place occupied?

Nah - I've had two apartments in Dublin and they've both been perfectly typical, 1-beds, straight off daft.ie, both at 900 euro.

fasttalkerchat

Deleted User wrote: »

OP are you one of those people who lives in a castle and the owner gives you cheap rent just because they're glad to have the place occupied?

Sounds like he was being taxed for the whole block.

Ogham

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Sounds like he was being taxed for the whole block.

The tax must be for a property in value band 650,001 – 700,000 - which had an LPT of €607 for 2013 . They would spread the payments from teh 1st deduction to teh end of December . Since 151.75 times 4 = 607 - I guess there were 4 deductins planned in 2013 . So - are you sure OP that they didn't take 151.75 in September too ?

Grayson

UCDVet wrote: »

THEN WAIT. Apparently they've wrongfully taken money from so many people they currently have a 4 or 5 week BACKLOG of people who want their money back.

I called the tax office about a rebate once. They told me it would take 4 weeks to process.
I asked if it could be any faster and she said i could have it in 3 days if she did it manually. But a lot of the stuff would be hand written, was that ok?

Ogham

You should try asking for interest back on the refund . (They charge late payers 8%)

Tefral

OP, how did you actually know it was Property Tax related? Did it say it on your deductions on your payslip isolated from USC, PAYE etc?

Blue Crystal

Ogham wrote: »

You should try asking for interest back on the refund . (They charge late payers 8%)

+1

When revenue fails to return money to you after a certain timeframe youre due interest equivalent to 4% per annum roughly, calculated daily

Menas

Perhaps they were charging you property tax for UCD.....the whole campus.

Mr. Incognito

The legislation is silent on interest to apply to repayments of LPT,

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/act/pub/0052/index.html

UCDVet

cronin_j wrote: »

OP, how did you actually know it was Property Tax related? Did it say it on your deductions on your payslip isolated from USC, PAYE etc?

Yes, there was an additional line that said, 'LPT' below the usual.

UCDVet

Ogham wrote: »

The tax must be for a property in value band 650,001 – 700,000 - which had an LPT of €607 for 2013 . They would spread the payments from teh 1st deduction to teh end of December . Since 151.75 times 4 = 607 - I guess there were 4 deductins planned in 2013 . So - are you sure OP that they didn't take 151.75 in September too ?

I think you are right. I always thought I was paid on the '1st' of the month because that's usually when the money shows up, but the pay slip is actually dated for '30/09/2013'.

There are still only two deductions, but it's for Sept and Oct, not Oct and Nov.

The 650-700k has to be the value of the entire building. That actually sounds about right.

A 20 second Google search on the address will show the name of the owner and his wife. It looks like they've created a business for their rental property holdings and the address in question is listed as their headquarters. Having said that, I don't actually know if he has paid his tax or not. On the phone, they made it sound like he hasn't, but who knows.

bodhrandude

Augmerson wrote: »

Has this happened to anyone else?

Yup, I got an LPT bill for 90 Euros for my parents place and I haven't lived there since March 2011 and I'm on JSA.

K-9

UCDVet wrote: »

Spent the better part of an hour on the phone with revenue trying to figure out why property tax had been deducted from my pay....

Apparently, if you've ever rented and the actual owner hasn't paid the tax, they are happy enough to take your hard-earned money. Haven't lived there in two years? Currently renting somewhere else? Doesn't matter!

When I asked, specifically, what information they had that suggested I owned the property in question I was told, 'Oh we must have gotten your name somewhere.'

Lucky for me I caught it after only paying 300 quid.

No letters, no contact, never owned a house, currently renting and registered with the PRTB at a different address, the same address that is on file with Revenue.ie, the same address that has been on my last two GNIB (yes, I'm a dirty immigrant, stealing jobs...but still...) - doesn't matter! They can and will take your money, no questions ask!

And when you notice it, good news, just spend 45 minutes on hold and it shouldn't be more than a week, or two, before they'll let your employer stop taking the tax. Then, just wait for the payslip after that, showing a zero amount for LPT, then, collect up all your payslips, mail then on to Revenue with a note, explaining you don't own any property.

THEN WAIT. Apparently they've wrongfully taken money from so many people they currently have a 4 or 5 week BACKLOG of people who want their money back.

Ranting aside, if you have a job and you've ever rented anywhere; best to have a check. They aren't very particular about whose money they take.

If I'm lucky, I'll get the stolen 450 back sometime in January.
(AND, if you can believe it, I had to instruct them NOT TO MAIL IT THE ADDRESS I JUST SAID I DON'T OWN. Seriously.)

Revenue are probably the best Governemnt department to deal with and ROS is a great example of a system well implemented, but it seems to hate addresses. I changed my address over a year ago as a taxpayer, it didn't update my address as an agent for a few clients. I can see the logic in my case, security and privacy reasons, but for a case like yours, once you change an address it should be updated for all taxes.

Eight Ball

NuckingFacker wrote: »

You're staying so?

Family illness and reasons your brain cant compute.

conorhal

UCDVet wrote: »

I think you are right. I always thought I was paid on the '1st' of the month because that's usually when the money shows up, but the pay slip is actually dated for '30/09/2013'.

There are still only two deductions, but it's for Sept and Oct, not Oct and Nov.

The 650-700k has to be the value of the entire building. That actually sounds about right.

A 20 second Google search on the address will show the name of the owner and his wife. It looks like they've created a business for their rental property holdings and the address in question is listed as their headquarters. Having said that, I don't actually know if he has paid his tax or not. On the phone, they made it sound like he hasn't, but who knows.

Well insn't that instructive as to what our government and the Dept. of Finance think of it's citizens? As you point out, they could check the land registery or bloody google, but it's easier for them to make tennents do the leg work for them instead. That's how lazy they are and how little they give a $h1t. Clearly OP you are 'an acceptable margin of error'.

When did you last get a P60, was it 2 years ago perhaps? I suspect that revenue or your payroll department still list your old address as the place to send your P60. Certiantly I'd love to know where they plucked you name from.

General General

UCDVet wrote: »

When I asked, specifically, what information they had that suggested I owned the property in question I was told, 'Oh we must have gotten your name somewhere.'

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IvyTheTerrible

Happened to my sister too in July, for a flat she hasn't lived in for four years. Apparently revenue were fairly good to deal with but because the tax was deducted from pay, revenue refunded the money to her workplace and then it was up to them to put it back into her pay. She got it back in October. No interest or anything like that.

flowers345

Is it only for jobs payments?

NuckingFacker

Eight Ball wrote: »

Family illness and reasons your brain cant compute.

Was just a question. I wondered why you were staying if you thought it was so crap here. Surely moving would make sense in that case. Now you've answered, I know why. See, question - answer - enlightenment. It's great.

Guy:Incognito

UCDVet wrote: »

THEN WAIT. Apparently they've wrongfully taken money from so many people they currently have a 4 or 5 week BACKLOG of people who want their money back.

In fairness, with the speed some of them work, that may well only equate to about 20 people.

PizzamanIRL

UCDVet, I thought you weren't posting until November 2014.

Tut tut, scumbag.

UCDVet

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

UCDVet, I thought you weren't posting until November 2014.

Tut tut, scumbag.

Yeah - I know. I was pretty bummed too....but I felt like this was pretty important.

I rarely check my payslips and I hadn't heard anything about this tax stuff. I figured, if it happened to me, it could have happened to someone else without them noticing. Had I mistakenly been paying tax on a less expensive place, I might not have ever noticed.

UCDVet

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

In fairness, with the speed some of them work, that may well only equate to about 20 people.

I might be wrong, but I think a lot of it might be related to this: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/thousands-due-property-tax-refunds-in-legislation-error-1.1589974

According to the article 'thousands' are entitled to refunds; but they're talking specifically about people who have purchased a home, not my situation. But I'd imagine they're all going through the same process?

Grandpa Hassan

You should check your pay slip even if your LL has paid. I have paid on time since day 1, but they still deducted it from my tenant's salary as well

I provided her with a screenshot of the screen showing I'd paid, and she's still having a hell of a time getting it back

I warned both my current tenants to watch out for it.

Pretty unbelievable tbh. Or maybe not....

UCDVet

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

You should check your pay slip even if your LL has paid. I have paid on time since day 1, but they still deducted it from my tenant's salary as well

I provided her with a screenshot of the screen showing I'd paid, and she's still having a hell of a time getting it back

I warned both my current tenants to watch out for it.

Pretty unbelievable tbh. Or maybe not....

That's a good point; I should phrased things better in my first post. I truthfully don't know if my old landlord did or didn't pay and really, isn't any of my business.

If I remember correctly, the person I spoke with implied the owner hadn't paid, but who knows.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie

Happened to two people I work with in todays pay slip, one of which is my girlfriend who I live with in a rent property. Frankly unbelievable, even by Irish standards.

anncoates

Is the entire purpose of this thread a competition to see in how many ways the OP can imply that his pay-packet is so prodigious, he's blithe about erroneous deductions?

UCDVet

anncoates wrote: »

Is the entire purpose of this thread a competition to see in how many ways the OP can imply that his pay-packet is so prodigious, he's blithe about erroneous deductions?

No :cool:

If my paycheck were so large, I wouldn't be living in 900 euro per month, 1-bedroom apartments in Dublin.

The Diabolical Monocle

Blue Crystal wrote: »

Thank you for time warping from a drinking den in D4 circa 2006 to tell us that

Totally worth it.