here's something topical re. your drinking water.

Voodoo_rasher

http://www.newstalk.ie/Dail-told-Ireland-is-being-slowly-poisoned-by-fluoride-in-water.

This was not posted on the twilight form C. Theories as it does need to see the light of day in a more fitting mainstream arena, imho since it entered the parliamentary realm today.

Newstalk have it on their site, yet are not broadcasting it on their radio bulletins. (If fluoride not good enough for most Eu countries , its not good enough for Ireland also).

In fact something as vital as this has gone unnoticed on politics.ie - nobody discussing it there incredibly.

GarIT

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

http://www.newstalk.ie/Dail-told-Ireland-is-being-slowly-poisoned-by-fluoride-in-water.

I could post this on C. Theories but this does need to see the light of day in a more fitting mainstream arena, imho.

Newstalk have it on their site, yet are not broadcasting it on their radio bulletins. In fact something as vital as this has gone unnoticed on politics.ie - nobody discussing it there incredibly.

There is a big couple of thousand post thread on this already.

alastair

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

http://www.newstalk.ie/Dail-told-Ireland-is-being-slowly-poisoned-by-fluoride-in-water.

I could post this on C. Theories but this does need to see the light of day in a more fitting mainstream arena, imho.

There's a perfectly good reason why water fluoridation threads are best placed in the conspiracy theory forum. It's harmless at the levels applied here - the worst that can happen is cosmetic fluorosis - which is undetectable to most people. No-one is being poisoned - slowly or otherwise.

ChicagoJoe

Everyone would probably benefit from drinking more water and less Coke, Fanta, Redbull or whatever.

Ziphius

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

If fluoride not good enough for most Eu countries , its not good enough for Ireland also.[/QUOTE]

People opposed to water fluoridation constantly compare Ireland to the rest of Europe. Yet they never mention that the maximum concentration of fluoride permitted by the EU in drinking water is twice that allowed in Ireland.

ArmaniJeanss

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

(If fluoride not good enough for most Eu countries , its not good enough for Ireland also).

A few posters seem to have this as their mantra on the fluoride issue, as some supposedly unanswerable bit of logic which proves their case.

Is it logically correct though? Surely by the same logic Ireland shouldn't drive on the left of the road as only us, Britain and Malta do it ; if most of the EU has decided right is right then shouldn't we be the same?
Ditto for using 3 pin plugs, or wide gauge rail whilst the majority use narrow gauge (or is the other way around?).

You see I'm kinda with you on fluoridation and would be happy to see it done away with; but I think the anti-flouride side need a lot more than merely pointing out that Ireland is in a minority, or non peer-reviewed pseudo science from Declan Waugh - and a blonde girl.

Jawgap

A lot of EU countries fluoridate their salt - we don't.

ressem

Always wondered why preventing dental cavities justified adding flouride, but recorded widespread iodine deficiencies in the UK and Ireland don't justify promoting, even subsidizing iodised salt over non-iodised to prevent thyroid and correlated risks.

The country would likely benefit more from the iodine than fluoridation.
http://press.thelancet.com/pregnancyiodine.pdf


Back to fluoridation, original studies suggest that the decrease in cavities was 60% when water was fluoridated originally, but due to changes in people's lifestyle and habits this margin might have decreased, the study (Community water fluoridation and caries prevention) Brian Stanley points to found 18% advantage in some areas.


As Alex White pointed out in the Dail debate, the North has no fluoride added so it makes for a useful north-south comparison.

The North-South survey found that of those living in areas with fluoridated water, more than one in three children, or 37%, have dental decay by the age of five. In areas where there is no fluoride in the water, over half, or 55%, of all five-year-olds have experienced dental decay. The study entitled Oral Health of Irish Adults 2000-2002 showed decay scores were lower among fluoridated groups for all age groups and particularly in the 35-44 age group.

It is a bit funny to see deputy Stanley declaiming fluoridation when...

I see the effect of it. My grandchild is getting fluoridated water but it is not stopping the problem. She started drinking Coca-Cola behind people's backs and that is having an effect on her back teeth.

I just haven't seen persuasive studies to suggest that the debate is about more than an ethical issue regarding right to choose.

Godge

Surely we should ban carbonated drinks and alcoholic drinks first as the effects on health of both of these are far more serious?

Voodoo_rasher

Jawgap wrote: »

A lot of EU countries fluoridate their salt - we don't.

No, they add iodine actually.

Jawgap

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

No, they add iodine actually.

Really?

You might want to guess again.......

Scientific Opinion on Dietary Reference Values for fluoride from EFSA......

Major dietary fluoride sources are water and water-based beverages or foods reconstituted with fluoridated water, tea, marine fish, and fluoridated salt

dlouth15

Jawgap wrote: »

Really?

You might want to guess again.......

Scientific Opinion on Dietary Reference Values for fluoride from EFSA......

Link should be

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/3332.htm

dlouth15

Godge wrote: »

Surely we should ban carbonated drinks and alcoholic drinks first as the effects on health of both of these are far more serious?

I'm not sure that is relevant. Those are not state-mandated substances. You have the option of avoiding them.

Godge

dlouth15 wrote: »

I'm not sure that is relevant. Those are not state-mandated substances. You have the option of avoiding them.

you don't have to drink the flouridated water, you can buy Ballygowan so once again, why all the fuss about flouridated water when beer, wine and coke are so bad for you.

dlouth15

Godge wrote: »

you don't have to drink the flouridated water, you can buy Ballygowan so once again, why all the fuss about flouridated water when beer, wine and coke are so bad for you.

I'm not sure that's a fair analogy. What is being argued is that flouride should be taken out of the standard tap water supply, not banned.

donaghs

alastair wrote: »

There's a perfectly good reason why water fluoridation threads are best placed in the conspiracy theory forum. It's harmless at the levels applied here - the worst that can happen is cosmetic fluorosis - which is undetectable to most people. No-one is being poisoned - slowly or otherwise.

Could argue that we get far more fluoride from toothpaste already, so we don't need to be ingesting it also from our water supply.

Godge

dlouth15 wrote: »

I'm not sure that's a fair analogy. What is being argued is that flouride should be taken out of the standard tap water supply, not banned.

donaghs wrote: »

Could argue that we get far more fluoride from toothpaste already, so we don't need to be ingesting it also from our water supply.

Do we need to take the flouride out of the toothpaste as well as the water?

donaghs

Godge wrote: »

Do we need to take the flouride out of the toothpaste as well as the water?

Why waste time and space on a thread answering a non-existant question? And at that, not even giving an answer, just a silly question.

I think its sensible to get your fluoride from toothpaste while brushing your teeth. You apply it to your teeth, then spit out the excess (naturally some will be swallowed, but c'est la vie).

This may sound like stating the obvious, but please see the question above!

I don't lose any sleep over it, but realistically, is there a need for the government to be mass medicating us via drinking water?

Godge

donaghs wrote: »

Why waste time and space on a thread answering a non-existant question? And at that, not even giving an answer, just a silly question.

I think its sensible to get your fluoride from toothpaste while brushing your teeth. You apply it to your teeth, then spit out the excess (naturally some will be swallowed, but c'est la vie).

This may sound like stating the obvious, but please see the question above!

I don't lose any sleep over it, but realistically, is there a need for the government to be mass medicating us via drinking water?

What question?

donaghs wrote: »

Could argue that we get far more fluoride from toothpaste already, so we don't need to be ingesting it also from our water supply.

Your post doesn't contain a question.

dlouth15

Godge wrote: »

Do we need to take the flouride out of the toothpaste as well as the water?

No because you can already do that by purchasing non-flouridated toothpaste is you so wish. I think you are making the same mistake here that you made with the alchoholic and soft drinks.

Godge

dlouth15 wrote: »

No because you can already do that by purchasing non-flouridated toothpaste is you so wish. I think you are making the same mistake here that you made with the alchoholic and soft drinks.

You can also buy non-flouridated bottled water.

dlouth15

Godge wrote: »

You can also buy non-flouridated bottled water.

Not the same.