Work experience with gardai.

jamesr123

I'v to do 2 weeks work experience as part of my security course in janurary. I can pick anything as long as it's security related. was gonna choose the gardai but was wondering if they'd be happy to take someone on for 2 weeks and has anyone here done work experiece with them?

bravestar

jamesr123 wrote: »

I'v to do 2 weeks work experience as part of my security course in janurary. I can pick anything as long as it's security related. was gonna choose the gardai but was wondering if they'd be happy to take someone on for 2 weeks and has anyone here done work experiece with them?

Find out where you local District HQ is and write to the Superintendent, outlining what you want to do.

jamesr123

bravestar wrote: »

Find out where you local District HQ is and write to the Superintendent, outlining what you want to do.

I know a sargeant from another station so it shouldnt be a problem getting it. I was just wondering would it be worth doing? I'm not sure there'd be much for me to do in a station considering a lot of the stuff would have to be kept private.

Zambia

jamesr123 wrote: »

I know a sargeant from another station so it shouldnt be a problem getting it. I was just wondering would it be worth doing? I'm not sure there'd be much for me to do in a station considering a lot of the stuff would have to be kept private.

Isn't the work experience meant to be with a security firm?

jamesr123

Zambia wrote: »

Isn't the work experience meant to be with a security firm?

Nope. Anything security related. Tutor says every year atleast 3-4 lads go to garda stations..

msg11

Zambia wrote: »

Isn't the work experience meant to be with a security firm?

The Garda is state security

Zambia

msg11 wrote: »

The Garda is state security

Two weeks with social security?

bravestar

jamesr123 wrote: »

I know a sargeant from another station so it shouldnt be a problem getting it. I was just wondering would it be worth doing? I'm not sure there'd be much for me to do in a station considering a lot of the stuff would have to be kept private.

You would most likely be put with a compol unit and you'll learn all about touchy feely, not in THAT way, policing and drinking tea

Tyron Jara

jamesr123 wrote: »

I'v to do 2 weeks work experience as part of my security course in janurary. I can pick anything as long as it's security related. was gonna choose the gardai but was wondering if they'd be happy to take someone on for 2 weeks and has anyone here done work experiece with them?

Whats the name of the course you are doing?

jamesr123

Tyron Jara wrote: »

Whats the name of the course you are doing?

Fetac level 5 security studies. I thought it was gonna be with the airport police but according to the tutor it can be anything we want..

kravmaga

Never heard of somebody attending a basic Fetec level 5 course going on work experience with the Garda.

Check with the P.S.A. as your tutor has given you in- correct advice.

As a previous poster said your work experince should be with a private security firm. Civilians are employed in AGS but they are civil servants in support positions.

AGS is the only Police force in the country.

Airport Police are aviation security authorised officers only not a Police force, section 33 of the Air Navigation and Transport Act gives them a power of arrest only, they have to hand over to AGS asap.

kravmaga

kravmaga wrote: »

Airport Police are aviation security authorised officers only not a Police force, section 33 of the Air Navigation and Transport Act gives them a power of arrest only, they have to hand over to AGS asap.

Very roundabout way of starting *that* sh*t again......

And I don't see any mention of harbour police.

3fullback

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Very roundabout way of starting *that* sh*t again......

And I don't see any mention of harbour police.

Harbour police ??? Is there such a thing in Ireland ?

Zambia

kravmaga wrote: »

Never heard of somebody attending a basic Fetec level 5 course going on work experience with the Garda.

Check with the P.S.A. as your tutor has given you in- correct advice.

As a previous poster said your work experince should be with a private security firm. Civilians are employed in AGS but they are civil servants in support positions.
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I would add two weeks looking at what AGS do would not be any preparation for security work.

jamesr123

Zambia wrote: »

I would add two weeks looking at what AGS do would not be any preparation for security work.

Well half the lads in the class plan on either the gardai, army or already work for a security company.. The school tutor said they've sent lads off to the gardai every year for the last 5 years

thekopend

Iv definately heard of people doing work experience with the gardai, even people on work experience for transition/4th year in secondary school, think it involves going around with community policing unit.

hopperdavy

On the subject of Airport Police , is there a rank structure in place there ,? Can one advance through the ranks and become a Super or a Chief Super in the Airport Police .

Also How big does an airport have to be to have its own Private Police service ?

Tyron Jara

hopperdavy wrote: »

On the subject of Airport Police , is there a rank structure in place there ,? Can one advance through the ranks and become a Super or a Chief Super in the Airport Police .

Also How big does an airport have to be to have its own Private Police service ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Apfs_rank_markingsg1.PNG

hopperdavy

Wow , I can see something here ,, If one can get a position as an airport policeman in a small airport airfield , It looks like you can set yourself up as an inspector or head honcho overnight ,
Brilliant why bother joining the Gardai when you can get instant street cred and kudos without even bothering to go to Templemore and training for a couple of years .

Also looks like your not answerable to anyone either , no Minister or ombudsman .

Def looks like the set up for me , thats what its all about fast track to the top.

I hope the run an airport policemans ball as well , amazing photo opps .
Plus the travelling public wouldnt know the difference between me and a real member of the Gardai .

Its like being a security guard with ten times the pay and twenty times the buzz .

goldie fish

Unfortunately, the IAA has strict rules about who can and cannot be airport police.

3fullback

goldie fish wrote: »

Unfortunately, the IAA has strict rules about who can and cannot be airport police.

Like ?

hopperdavy

Mmm interesting , so is nothing to do with the Dept of Justice then , instead its a semi state body that sets up its own Police force to its own Rules ,,

3fullback

hopperdavy wrote: »

Mmm interesting , so is nothing to do with the Dept of Justice then , instead its a semi state body that sets up its own Police force to its own Rules ,,

Yes but they are under statute

bravestar

3fullback wrote: »

Yes but they are under statute

So they can't arrest freemen of the family dumbass?

Tyron Jara

hopperdavy wrote: »

Plus the travelling public wouldnt know the difference between me and a real member of the Gardai .

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Firstly its hard to get into the airport police, and some double up as firefighters. Only way in I know of is get a job in the airport and work your way in. Its also nothing like being a garda. Secondly what do you mean by that statement?

hopperdavy

Oh thats it , so you get a job pushing trollies or sweeping up and if they like the look of you ya get set up in the airport police.

That really does inspire confidence , to hell with going to school and doing exams , just have some relation get you a minimum wage job sweepin up job at the airport and you get set up for life ?

No background checks , no exams , just be part of the inner circle of sweeper uppers and hey within a few years your a Det insp in the airport Police >????.

If what you say is correct , they look worse than some shopping centre security guard outfit .

lighterman

hopperdavy wrote: »

Oh thats it , so you get a job pushing trollies or sweeping up and if they like the look of you ya get set up in the airport police.

That really does inspire confidence , to hell with going to school and doing exams , just have some relation get you a minimum wage job sweepin up job at the airport and you get set up for life ?


No background checks , no exams , just be part of the inner circle of sweeper uppers and hey within a few years your a Det insp in the airport Police >????.

If what you say is correct , they look worse than some shopping centre security guard outfit .

I presume you have a problem with the airport police. Why not just start a thread about them then. Sure it would be an original thread here aswell. Yawn

Tyron Jara

hopperdavy wrote: »

Oh thats it , so you get a job pushing trollies or sweeping up and if they like the look of you ya get set up in the airport police.

That really does inspire confidence , to hell with going to school and doing exams , just have some relation get you a minimum wage job sweepin up job at the airport and you get set up for life ?

No background checks , no exams , just be part of the inner circle of sweeper uppers and hey within a few years your a Det insp in the airport Police >????.

If what you say is correct , they look worse than some shopping centre security guard outfit .

Not what I meant, but ive been told the only recruit internally. There are also more jobs in the airport than pushing trolleys. Its a good job so I hear, both Airport police and airport fire. I would think they don't just take anyone, id say good qualifications or some serious pull. I wouldn't consider them gardai but I do consider them police, they are not security guards, although maybe they should be under state control directly and given a bit more standing. oh theres no Det inspector in the airport police. So whats your problem with these guys anyways?

hopperdavy

Tyron Jara wrote: »

Not what I meant, but ive been told the only recruit internally. There are also more jobs in the airport than pushing trolleys. Its a good job so I hear, both Airport police and airport fire. I would think they don't just take anyone, id say good qualifications or some serious pull. I wouldn't consider them gardai but I do consider them police, they are not security guards, although maybe they should be under state control directly and given a bit more standing. oh theres no Det inspector in the airport police. So whats your problem with these guys anyways?

I'm not sayin I have a personal issue with these men and women. I don't know them and I presume that they are all fine decent upstanding people
I am just surprised that the structure for employing them seems a bit strange , ie. get a job in the airport first. And then you get in. Hardly a transparent process Especially when they get to call themselves police officers. At least the local centra or spar security guard has to be registered with the P s a These airport security guys. Just seem to get appointed by their friends or relations. Reads like some kind of Hicksville sheriff dept. in the deep south in the states.

Zambia

hopperdavy wrote: »

I'm not sayin I have a personal issue with these men and women. I don't know them and I presume that they are all fine decent upstanding people
I am just surprised that the structure for employing them seems a bit strange , ie. get a job in the airport first. And then you get in. Hardly a transparent process Especially when they get to call themselves police officers. At least the local centra or spar security guard has to be registered with the P s a These airport security guys. Just seem to get appointed by their friends or relations. Reads like some kind of Hicksville sheriff dept. in the deep south in the states.

That is not the process at all. Working in an airport for a few years would be a huge advantage in joining the airport police. They have advertise the positions as like any other job.

Plus what have you got against shopping centre security staff?

Your post come across very snobby and I can't see why

jamesr123

Thanks for the help anyway lads :P

hopperdavy

Zambia wrote: »

That is not the process at all. Working in an airport for a few years would be a huge advantage in joining the airport police. They have advertise the positions as like any other job.

Plus what have you got against shopping centre security staff?

Your post come across very snobby and I can't see why

Ah come on. Just because you work in an airport menial job for a bit does not entitle you to be a police officer. Same logic would apply if you drive a mondeo do you get into the gardai without going through the proper procedures .

knucklehead6

Zambia wrote: »

That is not the process at all. Working in an airport for a few years would be a huge advantage in joining the airport police. They have advertise the positions as like any other job.

Plus what have you got against shopping centre security staff?

Your post come across very snobby and I can't see why

ignore him. Or have a look at any of his posts under his various alter egos.

Zambia

hopperdavy wrote: »

Ah come on. Just because you work in an airport menial job for a bit does not entitle you to be a police officer. Same logic would apply if you drive a mondeo do you get into the gardai without going through the proper procedures .

The airport police recruit via the general public. Having worked in the airport would of course help your application

If you don't get it let me know I can dig out some crayons.

DesertCreat_15

hopperdavy wrote: »

Ah come on. Just because you work in an airport menial job for a bit does not entitle you to be a police officer. Same logic would apply if you drive a mondeo do you get into the gardai without going through the proper procedures .

How haven't you been banned yet ? You seem to come here to troll just to get reactions.
.... your entire post history makes for interesting reading...

hopperdavy

Great to see that you have nothing else to do but go about reading my previous posts .
Why do you claim that I should be banned , there is nothing wrong with trying to better oneself , to create employment , and to seek adventure .

I am what I am , no one can take that away from me , Dave

Tyron Jara

hopperdavy wrote: »

Ah come on. Just because you work in an airport menial job for a bit does not entitle you to be a police officer. Same logic would apply if you drive a mondeo do you get into the gardai without going through the proper procedures .

Ah but who says it does? There police officers under the airport authority with powers under the constitution. Probably shouldn't be under the DAA in my opinion but makes sense the DAA would recruit from their own employees?

Honestly I havent a notion of how they recruit since ive never seen an advertisement from them I just know from what ive heard. When we were studying security and policing the chief airport police officer gave us a lecture. A lot of students got into the airport search unit a few weeks later.

hopperdavy

Would that be really studying security and policing or was it a Level 5 weekend course in how to be a bouncer ?

Tyron Jara

hopperdavy wrote: »

Would that be really studying security and policing or was it a Level 5 weekend course in how to be a bouncer ?

Two years level 5 and 6. Would love if they had a 7 and 8 like over in england

sdanseo

goldie fish wrote: »

Unfortunately, the IAA has strict rules about who can and cannot be airport police.

The IAA has nothing whatsoever to do with Airport Police. Other than perhaps sharing the industry and airport campus with them.

Zambia wrote: »

The airport police recruit via the general public. Having worked in the airport would of course help your application

If you don't get it let me know I can dig out some crayons.

When I worked for the DAA, 24 out of 25 applicants in that year's intake came from the Airport Search Unit.

goldie fish

Please stop entertaining this "gentleman".