Typhoon Haiyan

snubbleste

Biggest storm to make landfall in history and no AH thread?
It's huge!
I'm sure if a lesser storm hit the US, we'd have a ten+ page thread on it.

The Red Cross says that more than 1,200 people are confirmed dead as Haiyan, one of the most powerful-ever tropical typhoons, blows through the Philippines. Nearly all houses in Tacloban, which has a population of about 220,000, were damaged or destroyed, and casualties were feared to be massive. On the island of Samar, the typhoon forced millions to flee to flee the area.

http://rt.com/news/typhoon-cyclone-dead-philippines-463/
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/09/article-2491902-194C1FB200000578-8_964x601.jpg

I've been keeping track of this as some very lovely people that I know are Filipino. It's staggering to think that so far 1200 people have died because of it and yet there's not much coverage.

The One Who Knocks

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been keeping track of this as some very lovely people that I know are Filipino. It's staggering to think that so far 1200 people have died because of it and yet there's not much coverage.

A general rule of thumb is that if you can't point to it on a map, it's not newsworthy.

Which is disappointing because I too know some nice Filipinos... If this was the US, we'd never hear the end of it,

1200 dead is 1200 dead, no matter what nationality they are.

snubbleste

The One Who Knocks wrote: »

1200 dead is 1200 dead, no matter what nationality they are.

It only hit yesterday, so I'm pretty sure 1,200 deaths is the minimal figure.
It's now picking up steam again as it heads to Viet Nam.

Lone Stone

was watching this on the news, bloody tragic really especially given the poverty in the area the majority of those people will have a insanely hard time getting their already low standard of living back.

Whats with all the bloody trolling in this topic ! fep off back under your bridge.

Muise...

I'd say these lads could do with a bit of help once the history and media coverage questions are settled.

http://www.redcross.org.ph/

snubbleste

God knows what the final death toll will be
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/11/thousands-feared-killed-philippine-typhoon-2013119131138727893.html

The regional police chief for eastern Leyte province said 10,000 people were believed to have died on that island alone, mostly by drowning and from collapsed buildings.

Oranage2

Think it's around 10 thousand now. I work with some people from the Philippines from cebu, they're very worried for their family as all communication is down. The girl I work with told me her town was flattened completely, her family house and all her family's things are just gone.

Very scary for them not knowing if their family are dead or not.

snubbleste

Pictures emerging show scenes reminiscent of 2011 Japan tsunami - fishing boats stranded on land, flattened buildings, snapped trees etc

Pawwed Rig

Oranage2 wrote: »

Very scary for them not knowing if their family are dead or not.

My wife is waiting for news of her sister in law and niece in Tacloban. Her Grandmothers house is destroyed but communications are still down in Tacloban so noone knows who is alive or dead.

You normally (unfortunately) expect around a 1,000 dead for these types of storms but this one seems to be on a much bigger scale than the previous ones. The 5m wave that flattened everything from the shoreline to 1km inland makes this a disaster of epic proportions. I see there are estimates of 10,000 now being mentioned in the news.
The further issues is that the authorities are shell shocked and seem unable to act (which also is not unusual in the Philippines).

I don't agree that it has not been covered. It has been the main story on BBC and RTE sites for last couple of days.

Pawwed Rig

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

My wife is waiting for news of her sister in law and niece in Tacloban. Her Grandmothers house is destroyed but communications are still down in Tacloban so noone knows who is alive or dead.

You normally (unfortunately) expect around a 1,000 dead for these types of storms but this one seems to be on a much bigger scale than the previous ones. The 5m wave that flattened everything from the shoreline to 1km inland makes this a disaster of epic proportions. I see there are estimates of 10,000 now being mentioned in the news.
The further issues is that the authorities are shell shocked and seem unable to act (which also is not unusual in the Philippines).

I don't agree that it has not been covered. It has nbeen the main story on BBC and RTE sites for last couple of days.

Hopefully, the news will be good for your wifes family

Muise...

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

My wife is waiting for news of her sister in law and niece in Tacloban. Her Grandmothers house is destroyed but communications are still down in Tacloban so noone knows who is alive or dead.

You normally (unfortunately) expect around a 1,000 dead for these types of storms but this one seems to be on a much bigger scale than the previous ones. The 5m wave that flattened everything from the shoreline to 1km inland makes this a disaster of epic proportions. I see there are estimates of 10,000 now being mentioned in the news.
The further issues is that the authorities are shell shocked and seem unable to act (which also is not unusual in the Philippines).

I don't agree that it has not been covered. It has nbeen the main story on BBC and RTE sites for last couple of days.

best wishes to your wife and her family.

RobbingBandit

Just heard a lady on the radio speaking about the scene, people are living on coke and water, not the best time for product placement IMO.

Muise...

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Just heard a lady on the radio speaking about the scene, people are living on coke and water, not the best time for product placement IMO.

I doubt that's what's happening there - coke has lots of sugar and is a safer bet than water from local supplies, which might be contaminated after the storm.

Pawwed Rig

Drinking the local water supply wouldn't be recomended at the best of times. People are just grabbing whatever is available. Coke has a huge presence there so that would be the reason

SeanW

Seriously though, which charity would be the best to donate to? The Philipine Red Cross? Any charity based in Ireland?

Muise...

SeanW wrote: »

Seriously though, which charity would be the best to donate to? The Philipine Red Cross? Any charity based in Ireland?

The Irish Red Cross are coordinating with their Filippino counterparts. Donations can be made here: http://www.redcross.ie/news/appeals/typhoon-haiyan-appeal/

SeanW

Didn't they (The Irish Red Cross) used to waste a lot of money? I donated directly to the Japanese Red Cross at the time of their Tsunami.

Muise...

SeanW wrote: »

Didn't they (The Irish Red Cross) used to waste a lot of money? I donated directly to the Japanese Red Cross at the time of their Tsunami.

I never heard anything to suggest that, but if you have and you're going to be fussy about it, I'm sure you can google 'Philippines Red Cross' yourself.

NuckingFacker

370 kph winds and 5m waves sound..jasus. Why is it that these events always seem to wipe out the poorest of the poor? Shyte as their living circumstances are, nature appears to decide to sh1t down their necks further. Vietnam wouldn't exactly be high-style-liffe either and it looks like it's next to get flattened. Much like Haiti.. The poor of the world must wonder what the feck they did to pi55 off mother nature and how come she doesn't decide to have a clatter at beverly Hills every now and then.

old hippy

https://www.wfp.org/donate/typhoon-philippines-a

sunflower27

I actually thought it was sad how it didn't even make the front page of the Sunday papers.

10,000 people presumed dead (at the time) and it doesn't make the front page. Terrible.

RIP all of them.

You have to love social media in times like these. When an Earthquake hit Christchurch a few years back, I was able to find out that my friend there was OK thanks to Facebook. Now I can find out that my Filipino friend's family are OK because of the same thing. She is regularly posting up images and videos of it to her newsfeed. You can only wonder what she is going through - being so far away and watching all of this unfold on her home country.

Muise...

sunflower27 wrote: »

I actually thought it was sad how it didn't even make the front page of the Sunday papers.

10,000 people presumed dead (at the time) and it doesn't make the front page. Terrible.

RIP all of them.

Several articles, including info on where and how to donate money to the relief efforts, and a running liveblog were on the front page of The Observer (online) yesterday.

Pawwed Rig

Muise... wrote: »

best wishes to your wife and her family.

Jake1 wrote: »

Hopefully, the news will be good for your wifes family

Cheers guys.
Just got contact there a while ago and they're safe and sound. Was a stressful weekend though with no contact watching the horror unfolding on the bbc.

Pawwed Rig

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Cheers guys.
Just got contact there a while ago and they're safe and sound. Was a stressful weekend though with no contact watching the horror unfolding on the bbc.

thats great news delighted for you both.

another question

Goal, Concern, Red Cross etc are all taking donations for those in the Philippines. Which charity would be the best to donate too. I have very little respect for Concern. I am between Goal and The Red Cross. Anyone able to advise?

Edit: Forgot to include Trocaire as well.

Pawwed Rig

Not going to push any particular charity but I would recommend staying away from any charity run from the Philippines as the corruption there is something chronic. If there is a UN charity going or one that has people on the ground in the Philippines then go for that.
Ironically the US military are probably in the best position to make a difference in the region but I am not sure anyone wants to donate to them;)

SEPT 23 1989

How much is our government donating in aid to this disaster?

i would like them to go in heavy on this one

snubbleste

Was this thread not four pages long yesterday

another question

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

How much is our government donating in aid to this disaster?

i would like them to go in heavy on this one

€1,000,000. That's it I believe.

SEPT 23 1989

another question wrote: »

€1,000,000. That's it I believe.

pathetic

Pawwed Rig

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

pathetic

It is actually high by international standards. China only gave $200,000.

Other donations are
Sweden: 20 Million Kronor = Php 131 Million = €2.2m
Denmark: 10 Million Kroner = Php 77 Million = €1.3m
Norway: 20 Million Kroner = Php 140 Million = €2.4m
UAE: 36 Million Dirham = Php 423 Million = €7.2m
UK: 6 Million Pounds = Php 415 Million = €7m
Canada: = Php 206 Million = €3.5m
Netherlands: 2 Million Euros = Php 115 Million
So we didn't do too badly. Per capita we are well up there on that list

the groutch

another question wrote: »

Goal, Concern, Red Cross etc are all taking donations for those in the Philippines. Which charity would be the best to donate too. I have very little respect for Concern. I am between Goal and The Red Cross. Anyone able to advise?

Edit: Forgot to include Trocaire as well.

think that's an inherent problem in Ireland (and the UK too). so many different "charities" all doing the exact same thing, with zero economies of scale.

another question

the groutch wrote: »

think that's an inherent problem in Ireland (and the UK too). so many different "charities" all doing the exact same thing, with zero economies of scale.

Take all the above governments of countries who have donated - who are they donating it to?

This really is some man -

A grieving Filipino chef has revealed his grief and heartache after the loss of ten members of his family in the devastating typhoon.

Jaime Casilan (50), speaking at his Dublin home, said he was anxiously waiting for more news from his sister and he fears more of his relatives may have been killed by Typhoon Haiyan.

"Ten of them are dead and more are missing. We are very, very upset. We keep praying," he told the Herald.

Mr Casilan, who lives with his wife Gilda and daughter Jimal Ann (22) in Clondalkin, said his niece's three children were brought onto the roof of their home in The Philipines as waters continued to rise during the typhoon.

He received the devastating news of the loss of several relatives, including cousins and his uncle Victorio and his aunt Milagros when he received a telephone call from his sister in Manila.

Despite his grief, he intended to report for work as normal at The Half Way House restaurant on Walkinstown Road today.

Source: Herald.ie.

He loses ten members of his family, but instead of grieving, he returns to work so that he can send money back as aid.

dodderangler

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This really is some man -

Source: Herald.ie.

He loses ten members of his family, but instead of grieving, he returns to work so that he can send money back as aid.

Jesus Christ. That's heartbreaking. Poor bloke.
My gf is Filipino and I know she's upset by what is happening over there. Those poor people

old hippy

I think it brings home to us, the scale and tragedy when it involves friends, family, acquaintances etc. Out of all that grief and harrowing news we can do something - no matter how small - to try and make a difference.

Grayson

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

It is actually high by international standards. China only gave $200,000.

Other donations are
Sweden: 20 Million Kronor = Php 131 Million = €2.2m
Denmark: 10 Million Kroner = Php 77 Million = €1.3m
Norway: 20 Million Kroner = Php 140 Million = €2.4m
UAE: 36 Million Dirham = Php 423 Million = €7.2m
UK: 6 Million Pounds = Php 415 Million = €7m
Canada: = Php 206 Million = €3.5m
Netherlands: 2 Million Euros = Php 115 Million
So we didn't do too badly. Per capita we are well up there on that list

I saw a comment about australias original contribution. It was about the same as the PM's salary.

Muise...

It's not just money they need- smarts can help too!

Open Street Map are helping the Red Cross by mapping the infrastructure of the affected areas so rescue and relief can be better coordinated - which is literally a lifesaver when local communications are down and roads may be impassable.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/11/how-online-mapmakers-are-helping-the-red-cross-save-lives-in-the-philippines/281366/

NIMAN

So the death toll that the media told us, of 100,000, has been revised down to 2500.

Thats some change.

Stinicker

Having been to the Philippines myself this year I find it heartbreaking to see the scale of this disaster. I really think it is a country that you really have to be there to understand. Philippine people are some of the nicest you could meet and despite being really poor and getting ravaged by these disasters they are exceptionally stoic and there no.1 priority is always family.

Filipino OFW (Overseas Foreign Workers) contribute over 10% of GDP to the country in remittances alone and there are over 12million filipinos living abroad and around 100million in the country itself.

They are hardworking and the sort of immigrants which contribute positively to Ireland; and I am glad the Government gave €1m in aid to help them and much better than the hundreds of millions they have sent into the hands of tinpot dictators in africa funding weapons purchases. I am sure anyone who had the misfortune to ever be in hospital will be able to tell you of the positive experiences they would have had with some of the thousands of Filipina nurses and carers who work in our healthcare profession.

old hippy

NIMAN wrote: »

So the death toll that the media told us, of 100,000, has been revised down to 2500.

Thats some change.

Estimates were at 10 thousand. 2,500 is still a significant number. In the case of disasters on this scale, it's impossible to be sure in the intial days, weeks, even months after.

vicwatson

SeanW wrote: »

Seriously though, which charity would be the best to donate to? The Philipine Red Cross? Any charity based in Ireland?

Got this email this morning, I think they do great work, if anyone has a few spare quid (no affiliation) -



[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Dear Supporter,

Médecins Sans Frontières teams have been on the ground since last Saturday and have started responding to the dire medical needs. Based on the unprecedented level of devastation that they are witnessing, we have launched a [/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Philippines Typhoon Emergency Appeal[/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif].

[/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Our Emergency Response:

[/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]> First emergency teams arrived in Cebu within 24 hours of the typhoon

> 80-90 additional personnel have begun arriving today including surgeons, doctors, nurses, psychologists and logisticians

> Nine cargo planes of Médecins Sans Frontières medical and relief supplie are en route

[/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]On RTE's Nine O'Clock News (11th November 2013), our Director, Jane-Ann McKenna described the situation:

"Our priority is to address the urgent medical needs. The typhoon has been devastating and people have been forced into pure survival mode during these first few days.

Our teams report that hospitals have been destroyed and medical equipment washed away. The risks of infection and disease are high." Watch here

How you can help:

> €35 can provide portable dressing kits for more than 50 people
> €65 can send a doctor to the field for a day
> €175 can provide infection-fighting antibiotics for 100 injured people
> €450 can supply a full emergency health kit for over 200 people

Click here to donate

Thank you so much to everyone who has already donated to this appeal. We will continue to scale up our emergency response in the Philippines, but we need your help.

JoAnne O'Donovan
Fundraising Manager
Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders

P.S. The relief cargo contains tetanus vaccines, medical kits and shelter materials. An inflatable hospital will be dispatched later this week. Please donate now.

[/FONT]

dublinman1990

It is heartbreaking to know that when thinking about this disaster; the UN said for some time now that the Fillipinos are still waiting for food; water and medicine to come and help their own people.

I do know people including a few neighbours from the Philippines myself as they are great people to be around. I am hoping that their families are not affected too much by this disaster in terms of losing more lives.

There should be a real need now to stop the potential risks of disease and hunger coming down the line but the international community should be more helpful in stopping this crisis from deteriorating even further even though the appeals are a good start.

http://news.sky.com/story/1167801/typhoon-haiyan-survivors-fear-and-desperation

But crime rates are rising steadily which is very worrying. Their is much talk right now of looters robbing heavy bags of rice which is meant to be used for aiding some of the 11.3 million people who have been affected in which 673k people have been displaced by the storm.

Eight more people have been killed doing that exercise under the circumstances of the country's infrastructure being absolutely crippled. That is not on as their should be ways to stop that from happening.

Pawwed Rig

I am hearing stories of aid being intercepted by local mayors and distributed to friends and family.
Also there are reports of politicians rebranding international aid with their own image to claim credit for it. Not really surprising to me knowing the corrupt nature of the Philippine society but might be an eye opener to someone making a donation.
Would recommend donating to international organisations on the ground there rather than to any org that allows the Philippine govt to distribute the aid. I would include the Philippine Red Cross in this.
Sensible orgs would be Médecins Sans Frontières as a previous poster mentioned or a UN based org

Pawwed Rig

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I am hearing stories of aid being intercepted by local mayors and distributed to friends and family

As predicted http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/dswd-hoards-foreign-aid-inside-aquino-stadium

It is depressing to be right sometimes:(