Engineer costs for new build

lownhard

Planning permission received. 210sqm simple design.

Architect already on board for detailed drawing/tender/supervision/compliance/mortgage cents.

Engineer looking for 4k incl vat for structure and civils work.

Does this sound correct or am I getting dublin prices?

Gumbo

lownhard wrote: »

Planning permission received. 210sqm simple design.

Architect already on board for detailed drawing/tender/supervision/compliance/mortgage cents.

Engineer looking for 4k incl vat for structure and civils work.

Does this sound correct or am I getting dublin prices?

Depends on the level of input/design required.

4k could be cheap, even by Dublin standards as you put it.

who what when

4k for a simple design is extortionate. Can you give us more detail of what contribution the engineer is making?

fealeranger

Get a few more quotes and compare. Make sure you have them quoting for the same thing. In munster you could get an engineer to do this for around €2000 vat inc. €4000 seems expensive for what you need considering you already have the planning permission.
Architect already on board for detailed drawing/tender/supervision/compliance/mortgage cents.
I don't know if an Architect can perform allthese duties???
Engineer usually signs for the stage payment draw down from the banks through a solicitor and he usually does this when the previous work is carried out to the proper standards and regulations. Engineer also usually provides the detailed building drawings specifications as he is the one signing off on it after all. I am open to correction on all this but I built a house in the last 18 months and this was the way it was done. I doubt it changed much since then.

lownhard

fealeranger wrote: »

I don't know if an Architect can perform allthese duties???
Engineer usually signs for the stage payment draw down from the banks through a solicitor and he usually does this when the previous work is carried out to the proper standards and regulations. Engineer also usually provides the detailed building drawings specifications as he is the one signing off on it after all. I am open to correction on all this but I built a house in the last 18 months and this was the way it was done. I doubt it changed much since then.

RIAI registered architect with appropriate PI insurance can definitely do the compliance/mortgage certification work on the build. You also need an engineer to make sure the structural/civil elements of the build are in order

This is the scope of engineers work only.

1. Initial design of structural elements and sketch details. 2. Final design and detail of all engineering elements. 3. Preparation of specification of engineering elements and tender/construction drawings and Specifications. 4. Initial site meeting with Architect, Client & Appointed Builder. 5. Issue of Construction Drawings. 6. Site visits/ Site meetings. Minimum 6 site visits, Maximum 8 site visits. 7. Certification of all applicable Engineering elements

pmac3978

How much is the architect costing for his services? Just about to start into planning!

BryanF

fealeranger wrote: »

1. I don't know if an Architect can perform allthese duties???
2. Engineer usually signs for the stage payment draw down

1. yes
2. not necessarily

Worriedmind

The Engineer's fee noted above seems less than 1.5% of the build cost which sounds cheap to me.

I'm a Chartered Struct. Eng. and certainly wouldn't be designing/monitoring construction of a full house for only €4k.

What figure did you expect? I suspect the architect is getting a lot more than this? If not I would seriously question the level of service you would get.

lownhard

Worriedmind wrote: »

The Engineer's fee noted above seems less than 1.5% of the build cost which sounds cheap to me.

I'm a Chartered Struct. Eng. and certainly wouldn't be designing/monitoring construction of a full house for only €4k.

What figure did you expect? I suspect the architect is getting a lot more than this? If not I would seriously question the level of service you would get.

Engineer is agreeing to design all structural/civil elements of the he build and will carry out 8 site visits during the build to certify structural/civil work. A drawing schedule has also been established with the engineer. Bear in mind the fee is for post planning permission work. A separate arrangement existed for planning.

Architect has a more extensive drawing schedule and will be visiting the site more frequently and will be administrating the mortgage stuff therefore their fee is higher, but not hugely so.

I am happy with 8 site visits from an engineer and an architect calling every couple of weeks. From my knowledge that would appear to be an extensive service from competent professionals.

Btw the engineer I'm using came recommended from a well respected member of the C&P forum that used him on their build. I guess I did not have a specific figure in my head but as consumers we always hope that things will be cheaper than they actually are, and this is only the beginning of it! The reason for the thread was to establish whether paying over the odds for engineering services or not. You seem to be in the know, so I guess I am not. Thanks