picking your new registration number

trevorbrady

how do you find out what the next available registration number is (or even the ballpark it's going to be in)? Will the tax office give that kind of info before you actually hand over the documents?

I'm about to register a "newly imported" car in either Laois or Kilkenny and I'd like to find out which has the most favourable ZV number. I'd only consider an 82-LS- or 82-KK- if the ZVs were preposterous...

Silvera

AFAIK, all ZV plates (other than perhaps Dublin County) are now seven-digit plates, i.e. 'ZV nnnnn'.
Then again your 82-LS or 82-KK choices will be larger than they used to be pre-2010, i.e. 82-LS-nnnn or 82-KK-nnnn.

Personally, I'd opt for the '82' plate rather than the 'ZV nnnnn' - in the hope that a better 'Vintage Plate' system will be introduced in the coming years and you could then opt for it to replace the '82' plate ...if you wished. My 2c.

Kenny Logins

Laois is from ZV 57701 to ZV 60200, see here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056460411

The 82 registrations will also have 5 digits (after the county), but I'm not sure where they start.

trevorbrady

thanks to Kenny Logins for the start by posting that table linked above

from there and by messing with the cartell reg checker, I've found that as of today:

ZV57808 is the next available ZV plate in Laois
ZV39996 is the next available ZV plate in Kilkenny

is there a similar table of the numbers that the 82-LS-nnnn format of numbers kicked off at so I can go rooting for those too?

Kenny Logins

The year based import plates start at a number high enough to clear the annual average for each county (WTF?).

Laois looks like it goes from 6001 on (I was wrong about the 5 digits, doesn't apply to Laois) - https://www.cartell.ie/ssl/servlet/beginStarLookup?registration=82ls6001

macplaxton

Sorry been working, so nowhere near the desktop...

Having had a quick look at the link, that table was done prior to the Revenue computer change. This change also affected the ZV issues too...

trevorbrady wrote: »

ZV57808 is the next available ZV plate in Laois

Nope, it is ZV57944 (or a little more)

trevorbrady wrote: »

ZV39996 is the next available ZV plate in Kilkenny

Nope, it is ZV40126

What you found was the end of the second allocation, or the first non-issue of the gap between second and third allocations.

For Laois: 57808 to 57900 not issued
For Kilkenny: 39996 to 40100 not issued

trevorbrady wrote: »

is there a similar table of the numbers that the 82-LS-nnnn format of numbers kicked off at so I can go rooting for those too?

Aye there is, it's on my computer.

For LS after the bump, they start from 6001. For 82, next up is 6004.
For KK after the bump, they start from 8001. For 82, next up is 8002.

trevorbrady

dafuq? why do they keep screwing with it?

thanks for the info. Out of interest, when was the bump?

macplaxton

The "bump" was from 6/12/2011.

That's when all the numbers took a big jump, as KL points out, to a point over and above the highest serial numbers recorded for a county, which ended up 120001 for Dublin, 40001 for Cork right down to Leitrim at 3001.

ZV took a smaller leap, of the order of approximately 100. Most of the counties, bar 4 or 5 were already on their second ZV allocations, so were already into five figures. Those that were still on their first were moved onto the start of their second allocation by the change and Dublin's 2nd allocation (from 7201-17200), took a small jump from just below 10000, to 10001. I managed to get 9860 at the start of Oct 2011. I got 9446 in Jan 2010 and 8990 around Sept 2008.

tc20

what did you bring in Trevor?

and do you still have that lovely (70s? ) Audi?

trevorbrady

the Audi sold about 12 months ago. I didn't "bring in" anything, the latest heap is a German LHD '82 Passat estate that has lived in Co. Clare for a few years. I have to register it to legitimise it here

I'm still leaning towards the ZV. I know they're a caricature of an original Irish reg at this stage but they still have less digits on the plate than the equivalent 82-LS-nnnn plate. Plus I might "fudge" the number a little like that DeTomaso Pantera I spied at the Limerick VAG/Classic car show this summer gone. He had a "ZVS nnnn" plate made by a bit of tomfoolery with his ZV5nnnn. It was semi-convincing and only a minor misrepresentation of the truth

trevorbrady

I finally got through the registration process today after a few visits to the VRT office in Carlow. I was awarded with ZV57945 registration for my troubles.

So to those keeping track of the tally of ZV allocations, that's where Co. Laois is up to as of this morning

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on another completely unrelated note, I spotted a small sign in the NCT/VRT office pointing out that as of 1/1/2014, all Limerick registrations will be 141-L-nnn, all Tipperary reg's will be 141-T-nnn and all Waterford reg's will be 141-W-nnn. i.e. they're killing off the "LK", "TS", "TN and "WD" letters for future registrations. A small point but might be of interest to people registering cars with county plates from January onwards. One less digit to worry about

Silvera

trevorbrady wrote: »

I finally got through the registration process today after a few visits to the VRT office in Carlow. I was awarded with ZV57945 registration for my troubles.

So to those keeping track of the tally of ZV allocations, that's where Co. Laois is up to as of this morning

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on another completely unrelated note, I spotted a small sign in the NCT/VRT office pointing out that as of 1/1/2014, all Limerick registrations will be 141-L-nnn, all Tipperary reg's will be 141-T-nnn and all Waterford reg's will be 141-W-nnn. i.e. they're killing off the "LK", "TS", "TN and "WD" letters for future registrations. A small point but might be of interest to people registering cars with county plates from January onwards. One less digit to worry about

Thanks for the update...on both counts!
(I thought each county has it's own VRT office? You got a Laoisreg in Carlow?)

With regard to the 141 plates...seeing as the county letters in each case will now cover the whole county - you would have thought that they would go for the following (instead of single letters)? ....

'TY' - Tipperary
'LK' - Limerick
'WD' - Waterford

They must have opted for single-letter county identifiers to allow for all the silly 'import plates' being issued around the country...i.e. Dublin '120000+' etc etc

trevorbrady

Silvera wrote: »

Thanks for the update...on both counts!
(I thought each county has it's own VRT office? You got a Laois reg in Carlow?)

no VRT office in Co. Laois. Carlow was nearest to me. Unhelpfully, they're only open two days this week, a different two days next week and then alternate every other week. Very difficult to arrange it around work

As far as I know, regardless of where you live, you could go to any VRT office anywhere, the number allocation depends on your home address.

hi5

Is the T,L and W only for 14 reg's on, all the older stuff registered in the future will still be on the old TN,TS,WD,LK, so you'll still have a long plate.

And then there's from 11 to 14 which will have the long counties but the short numbers.

This whole registration thing is getting out of hand now.

macplaxton

You would have thought they'd have divided Co Dublin up into at least two (at the start or at least since) rather than some of the more sparsely populated counties.

Hang on, scrub that, I forgot where I was living for a minute.:pac:

carchaeologist

hi5 wrote: »

Is the T,L and W only for 14 reg's on, all the older stuff registered in the future will still be on the old TN,TS,WD,LK, so you'll still have a long plate.

And then there's from 11 to 14 which will have the long counties but the short numbers.

This whole registration thing is getting out of hand now.

Every year they just keep ****ing it up more n more.
I'd regard myself as something of an expert in the field but still I can't keep up with all the changes.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

macplaxton wrote: »

Originally Posted by trevorbrady


is there a similar table of the numbers that
the 82-LS-nnnn format of numbers kicked off at so I can go rooting for those
too?

Aye there is, it's on my computer.

For LS after the bump, they start from 6001. For 82, next up is 6004.
For KK after the bump, they start from 8001. For 82, next up is 8002.

Don't suppose you'd have a list of those numbers for each county, just out of interest

Silvera

I'd say that ALL registrations - vintage or modern - will now be issued with T, L or W respectively. They are amalgamating (closing?) the "county" section of each county so LK, TS, TN and WD will cease to exist afaik.

There was talk some years ago about dividing Co. Dublin into four registration letters -

Fingal - FL
Dublin South - DS
Dublin North - DN
DunLaoighaire-Rathdown - DR

Some commentators said having DS and DN would increse the "north/south divide" of Dublin city.
(If that is the case they could simply keep 'D' for north and south and just bring in FL and DR).

It would make a lot of sense if they did this at this stage.

It would get rid of the crazy/long '120000+' import registrations - and make Dublin plates easier to recall in the event of a crime, accident etc (the whole point of having a registration in the first place...i.e. to identify a vehicle.....NOT as a revenue-generating tool for the dept of finance and motor dealers!)

carchaeologist

As iv said before, What started off as such a simple system in 1987 has morphed into complete madness now.