Personal searches.. A question

Tackleberry.

My young lad of six years found money outside the school grounds coming back from swimming lessons, he got spotted putting this money €10 euro in his pocket by the teacher she proceeded (my son tells me) to put her hand in his pocket and remove this money... Has she the right to do this, I do understand he could of picked up anything and she has the responsibility of care at the time but I think she's pushing it a little here?
The teacher said she was handing the money in to the headmaster for a draw.
Thx in advance.

Bepolite

She's not searched him she's checked to see what a small child has picked up. Neither party should be hanging on to the cash.

Zambia

Tackleberry. wrote: »

My young lad of six years found money outside the school grounds coming back from swimming lessons, he got spotted putting this money €10 euro in his pocket by the teacher she proceeded (my son tells me) to put her hand in his pocket and remove this money... Has she the right to do this, I do understand he could of picked up anything and she has the responsibility of care at the time but I think she's pushing it a little here?
The teacher said she was handing the money in to the headmaster for a draw.
Thx in advance.

This thread makes me sad

Tackleberry.

Zambia wrote: »

This thread makes me sad

Hi Zambia, adding the above comment doesn't answer or help my question, your spoiling a genuine thread.
You don't know how I parent my kids or even my view on what should be done with the found money, I just think the teacher was wrong to do what she did.

johnnyskeleton

Tackleberry. wrote: »

Hi Zambia, adding the above comment doesn't answer or help my question, your spoiling a genuine thread.
You don't know how I parent my kids or even my view on what should be done with the found money, I just think the teacher was wrong to do what she did.

You should get your son to complain to the gardai about theft, section 2 assault, indecent assault (now sexual assault), larcenous conversion, unlawful gaming, malicious intermingling, dereliction of public duty, and breach of the peace.

Five Lamps

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

You should get your son to complain to the gardai about theft, section 2 assault, indecent assault (now sexual assault), larcenous conversion, unlawful gaming, malicious intermingling, dereliction of public duty, and breach of the peace.

Would you really do something that ridiculous and waste Garda time,

Perhaps it was her tenner?

johnnyskeleton

Five Lamps wrote: »

Would you really do something that ridiculous and waste Garda time,

Perhaps it was her tenner?

I personally believe that malicious intermingling is as bad as sedition.

Zambia

Tackleberry. wrote: »

Hi Zambia, adding the above comment doesn't answer or help my question, your spoiling a genuine thread.
You don't know how I parent my kids or even my view on what should be done with the found money, I just think the teacher was wrong to do what she did.

Your right it was not helpfull.

What is your ideal result in this matter?

brian_t

Tackleberry. wrote: »

she proceeded (my son tells me) to put her hand in his pocket.

Assuming that your son has told this right should the teacher not first have asked the child what he picked up.

Bepolite wrote: »

Neither party should be hanging on to the cash.

If you were walking along and saw a €10 note on the ground what would you do.

I suppose you could hand it in to a Garda station but if someone has lost a €10 note are they really going to drop into a Garda station expecting it to have been handed in.

A larger amount - yes, but surely not a €10 note.

Tackleberry. wrote: »

The teacher said she was handing the money in to the headmaster for a draw.

In the absense of finding the rightful owner is this not a case of Finders Keepers.

Bepolite

brian_t wrote: »

Assuming that your son has told this right should the teacher not first have asked the child what he picked up.

I'm sure she had all the time in the world for a conversation with a six year old while escorting a number of them back from swimming lessons.

brian_t wrote: »

If you were walking along and saw a €10 note on the ground what would you do.

What would I do and what I would do in charge of a six year old with a view to teaching them right from wrong are two different things.

brian_t wrote: »

I suppose you could hand it in to a Garda station but if someone has lost a €10 note are they really going to drop into a Garda station expecting it to have been handed in.

A larger amount - yes, but surely not a €10 note.

Or hang on to it for a week and then donate it to charity.

brian_t wrote: »

In the absense of finding the rightful owner is this not a case of Finders Keepers.

No such thing.

Boombastic

ring the headmaster and ask how you can enter the draw for the tenner

GarIT

I'd want the principal to be talking to the teacher and would possibly talk to the Gardai. Talking to the child was probably the right thing to do but she really shouldn't be a teacher if she thinks it's ok to put her hand in somebody's pocket.

Royal Irish

Would you be complaining about the teacher checking what your child picked up off the street if they picked up a used condom or syringe?

No Pants

Not seeing a problem here. It wasn't his money and the teacher was acting with your authority, yes? In loco parentis and all that.

jhegarty

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

You should get your son to complain to the gardai about theft, section 2 assault, indecent assault (now sexual assault), larcenous conversion, unlawful gaming, malicious intermingling, dereliction of public duty, and breach of the peace.

A report to the cab wouldn't be out of order either.

brian_t

Bepolite wrote: »

I'm sure she had all the time in the world for a conversation with a six year old while escorting a number of them back from swimming lessons.

How about the teacher simply hold out her hand and firmly ask the child to hand her what he just picked up.

Tackleberry.

brian_t wrote: »

Assuming that your son has told this right should the teacher not first have asked the child what he picked up.



If you were walking along and saw a €10 note on the ground what would you do.

I suppose you could hand it in to a Garda station but if someone has lost a €10 note are they really going to drop into a Garda station expecting it to have been handed in.

A larger amount - yes, but surely not a €10 note.



In the absense of finding the rightful owner is this not a case of Finders Keepers.

I do think its finder keepers with such a small amount of money.
I do agree that the teacher should of asked what my son found and not put her hand into my sons pocket, I think this needs to be addressed, this is what I'm more concerned with and not the money.

When any of my kids find money i make them put half in the church collection at Sunday Mass, my own parents had me do the same when I found small amounts of money.

MrBobbyZ

Here's a radical idea. Why not talk to the teacher. Explain your concerns & give them a chance to explain their thinking! I agree that the teacher could have handled this better and if nothing else will maybe consider a more appropriate course of action in future.

Tackleberry.

Royal Irish wrote: »

Would you be complaining about the teacher checking what your child picked up off the street if they picked up a used condom or syringe?

I don't anyone has the right to put there hands into anyone's pockets.
I also would not want to be the parent of a kid if he did put a syringe in his pocket only for a teacher to get needle pricked. A Garda will ask you to turn your pockets out for this reason, and as I said in my post I do understand that my kid is in the teachers care for his schools hours I just asked did the teacher go about this wrong. Black and White Yes No,,,

Tackleberry.

MrBobbyZ wrote: »

Here's a radical idea. Why not talk to the teacher. Explain your concerns & give them a chance to explain their thinking! I agree that the teacher could have handled this better and if nothing else will maybe consider a more appropriate course of action in future.

Thx for your post.
I do plan on talking to,the teacher, I posted here to ask my question so as I could approach it correctly. I just was unsure if a teacher can put there hands into pupils pockets.

Gatling

Now see there 's a small issue here ,

What a 6 year old said , what a 6 year old thinks happened, what a 6 year old told mammy and daddy
And what actually happened ,

Kids have a habit of telling exaggerated events chance are the teacher asked for what he had picked up and tells it differently to others ,

I'm a parent and I know kids don't always tell the exact Truth

Royal Irish

Tackleberry. wrote: »

I don't anyone has the right to put there hands into anyone's pockets.
I also would not want to be the parent of a kid if he did put a syringe in his pocket only for a teacher to get needle pricked. A Garda will ask you to turn your pockets out for this reason, and as I said in my post I do understand that my kid is in the teachers care for his schools hours I just asked did the teacher go about this wrong. Black and White Yes No,,,

In my opinion I see no problem with it. I would actually be quite happy with the way the teacher dealt with it.

I doubt the teacher would be 100% sure what was put in my kids pocket and I would want them to check. It could have easily been something that could harm my kid so fair play the teacher.

Also taking the 10 quid off him will teach him a valuable lesson to be honest and not pocket money that isn't his.

Tackleberry.

Gatling wrote: »

Now see there 's a small issue here ,

What a 6 year old said , what a 6 year old thinks happened, what a 6 year old told mammy and daddy
And what actually happened ,

Kids have a habit of telling exaggerated events chance are the teacher asked for what he had picked up and tells it differently to others ,

I'm a parent and I know kids don't always tell the exact Truth

You could well be right my son is my youngest and I have be thrown the odd ringer by his older sister, so as wise to this as I am I know be prepared to be surprised..

amdublin

Me personally I'd be asking my child why he put it in his pocket and didn't bring it straight to his teacher.

Bepolite

amdublin wrote: »

Me personally I'd be asking my child why he put it in his pocket and didn't bring it straight to his teacher.

Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity.

Fred Swanson

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