Selling Cattle on Donedeal

ozil10

Long time reader but just signed up now.Not sure is there a thread already up about this.
Anyways I am a young farmer and was just looking into possibility of selling cattle on Donedeal.
My main concern is how does the payment side of things work,
Was just wondering have many members sold cattle on it and how do they deal with the payment especially if you don't know the person as there is a lot of gangsters out there these days
Cheers for any help

blue5000

Welcome to boards.

In general I found it a pain in the ar5e, you'd want a seperate phone first off for the ads. You get a lot of tyre kickers, first lad that rings probably won't be able to look at the cattle for a few days, second lad that rings wants to look straight away, what do you do then?

Wait for a cheque to clear is probably the best way before transferring them into his herd online, drafts can be forged.

Don't forget the lads that ring at 11pm for a half hour chat because they think you might understand his problems better than the samartins would:o

Conmaicne Mara

blue5000 wrote: »

Welcome to boards.

In general I found it a pain in the ar5e, you'd want a seperate phone first off for the ads. You get a lot of tyre kickers, first lad that rings probably won't be able to look at the cattle for a few days, second lad that rings wants to look straight away, what do you do then?

Wait for a cheque to clear is probably the best way before transferring them into his herd online, drafts can be forged.

Don't forget the lads that ring at 11pm for a half hour chat because they think you might understand his problems better than the samartins would:o

First come, first served, keep nothing for no one. Cash is king.

feartuath

You will never be short of a friend to talk to when you have an add on DoneDeal.
I sold some stuff before but you have to listen to all sorts .

dmg86

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

First come, first served, keep nothing for no one. Cash is king.

Couldn't agree more... lay down the law from the start!! wait for cheques to clear before transferring.

mikeoh

Bank draft!!

bbam

First man in the yard with a deposit is the buyer.
Cash if possible.
Cheque has to clear before cattle leave the yard.

Yes you'll get the lads ringing fr a chat. Lads that don't turn up and lads offering you a pittence.

But lads coming and not buying are wasting their time as I'd be on the farm anyway. Your cattle look well as they're not traveling to a mart. No fees.

We sell some off farm and some in mart. But if possible we sell off farm.

ozil10

Thanks for the responses, Much appreciated
Think ill try it once and see what happens.

vinne

I think alot of the asking prices on done deal are are more wishful thinking.there is no point asking a sky high price in the hope of so fool will ring.

Sam Kade

vinne wrote: »

I think alot of the asking prices on done deal are are more wishful thinking.there is no point asking a sky high price in the hope of so fool will ring.

There's an ad up for hex and aax weanlings around 180 kg and he is asking €570 for them :eek: then you have the ones that lie on the ground to take pictures of their oversized cattle One problem with donedeal is if you don't get a buyer and then take them to the local mart and some dealer that answered your ad spots your cattle in the mart and tips off the other bidders to stop bidding :mad:

Sharpshooter82

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's an ad up for hex and aax weanlings around 180 kg and he is asking €570 for them :eek: then you have the ones that lie on the ground to take pictures of their oversized cattle One problem with donedeal is if you don't get a buyer and then take them to the local mart and some dealer that answered your ad spots your cattle in the mart and tips off the other bidders to stop bidding :mad:

Has this happened to you Sam

tmboy95

We tried it before but a bit of a pain in the arse like selling anything on donedeal! i think the reasons for some of the high pricing is that if you put the actual value of the animal they will want a bit off that price. Add on a hundred or so and its grand leaving them off a few pound as youre still getting the price you would have originally wanted.
As a previous poster said, nothing leaves the yard unless paid for and first come first serve

Kovu

ozil10 wrote: »

Long time reader but just signed up now.Not sure is there a thread already up about this.
Anyways I am a young farmer and was just looking into possibility of selling cattle on Donedeal.
My main concern is how does the payment side of things work,
Was just wondering have many members sold cattle on it and how do they deal with the payment especially if you don't know the person as there is a lot of gangsters out there these days
Cheers for any help

Is this you OP :eek::eek:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87190691&postcount=6405
They're getting smarter.......!:D

(No offense intended ozil10, welcome to boards.ie. Some good advice above, cash is indeed king, as long as you hold it up to the light first;))

loveta

Have sold alot of stock, machinery,vehicles on done deal defo you will get alot of calls and yes some pains in the ar#e but its a cheap easy way to move stuff but i found out a few things that will help
1. state the price "lads will ring looking just in case your a gob shi#e and giving them away"
2.No private numbers, 99.9999999999999999% of these are news bags /time wasters
3. no text messages, prob some kid playing on his dads phone and has not the price of a pot to pi#s inn
4. be patient even after all that only prob 2/3 out of every 10 guys that ring will travel to look/buy
As regards payment have took cheques never got done but its dodgey but i make it clear about what happens if it bounces "in a very polite manner of course"
Rem your stock will never look as good in a mart as your own yard and all it costs is E3 so what have ya to loose by giving it a go

Richk2012

I made the mistake of putting an ad of a registered bitch up the night before meself and herself were going for a weekend away .

The phone never stopped ringing all day Saturday and Sunday .
And as mentioned before lads jus ring for the chat ..

onyerbikepat

Richk2012 wrote: »

I made the mistake of putting an ad of a registered bitch up the night before meself and herself were going for a weekend away .

The phone never stopped ringing all day Saturday and Sunday .
And as mentioned before lads jus ring for the chat ..

Read your post quickly and what I got was - I made the mistake of putting up the phone number of a right bitch and 'meself and herself' were arguing for a week over it.:D

nashmach

Some lads above are commenting about bank drafts, these are not secure either so beware of forgeries. There was a well known case two years ago with a Wexford machinery dealer.

Patience is a virtue with donedeal I'm afraid.

bbam

nashmach wrote: »

Some lads above are commenting about bank drafts, these are not secure either so beware of forgeries. There was a well known case two years ago with a Wexford machinery dealer.

Patience is a virtue with donedeal I'm afraid.

Patience indeed.
It's a compromise, but I find when working full time it saves in trips to the mart which frees up a day. The downside is dealing with the dreamers on the phone, lads who come to the yard are usually genuine.

Conmaicne Mara

It seems to me, from what I read, the biggest problem with DD so is the lads calling up for a chat. What's the most effective and polite (in that you're trying to get someone to buy something) way of nipping those conversations in the bud?

bbam

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

It seems to me, from what I read, the biggest problem with DD so is the lads calling up for a chat. What's the most effective and polite (in that you're trying to get someone to buy something) way of nipping those conversations in the bud?

Ignore chat about the weather, the state of the land...
I usually just ask if they're interested in coming to see the stock at the stated price... the price is the price.. No harm done so... goodbye !

I've seen comments here about high prices in DD... I suppose we chance the stock in at the top price in my head... drop them if there is no interest...

In many ways I see it as the mart in slow motion...

Put them in at the best price possible....... bit like the auctioneer trying to open bidding high..
you drop the price on your add........ just like the auctioneer will drop the opening price until he gets a bid..
you'll have lads ringing up offering half the price in cash "if your stuck"............. i see these lads like the dealers round the ring in the mart throwing up three fingers to open bidding on an animal that everyone knows is worth €600
You'll know a genuine caller when they ring.... we all like these lads

Its all the same dance.... just slower pace, and I dont take time off work, draw cattle to mart nor pay fees.

Sam Kade

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

Has this happened to you Sam

It did once I used to sell calves in the local mart and a buyer from Clare used to hound me to buy them without putting them through. I made a deal with him once and told him they were going through after that. I changed marts as there were better calves and prices at a mart 15 miles away, one day I took a fr bull calf there and your man spotted me unloading him when he came into the ring one bid and it stopped dead after that. The man that had the bid was confused as no one bid against him :mad:

Sharpshooter82

Sam Kade wrote: »

It did once I used to sell calves in the local mart and a buyer from Clare used to hound me to buy them without putting them through. I made a deal with him once and told him they were going through after that. I changed marts as there were better calves and prices at a mart 15 miles away, one day I took a fr bull calf there and your man spotted me unloading him when he came into the ring one bid and it stopped dead after that. The man that had the bid was confused as no one bid against him :mad:

thats all ya want

Sam Kade

Sharpshooter82 wrote: »

thats all ya want

I was in Corrin mart today and bullocks were making reasonably good prices except for one mans cattle when they came into the ring the bids dropped way below other cattle of same wt breed, he only sold two and took home the rest. There was only 1 movement and they were a good weight for their age

Kovu

Sam Kade wrote: »

I was in Corrin mart today and bullocks were making reasonably good prices except for one mans cattle when they came into the ring the bids dropped way below other cattle of same wt breed, he only sold two and took home the rest. There was only 1 movement and they were a good weight for their age

Only one movement but he could still have been a dealer:rolleyes:
How many days were they in the herd?

Sam Kade

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Only one movement but he could still have been a dealer:rolleyes:
How many days were they in the herd?

What's the :rolleyes: about
There were cattle there with 6 movements and it didn't drop the bids
I wonder how many dealers owned them.

Kovu

Sam Kade wrote: »

What's the :rolleyes: about
There were cattle there with 6 movements and it didn't drop the bids
I wonder how many dealers owned them.

Some dealers are respectable enough but I know a few hoors that you wouldn't take cattle off! One thing that's annoying about that system is that it shows up as a movement if you bring cattle to a mart and then home again unsold :mad:

blackdog1

I always wonder do some people get ringed in marts? And if so should they put the sellers name up on the board

Sam Kade

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Some dealers are respectable enough but I know a few hoors that you wouldn't take cattle off! One thing that's annoying about that system is that it shows up as a movement if you bring cattle to a mart and then home again unsold :mad:

But if you have cattle born on your farm and you take them to the mart doesn't that movement come up on the board as 1 movement even though they haven't being sold. I haven't seen cattle with 0 movements yet.

Kovu

Sam Kade wrote: »

But if you have cattle born on your farm and you take them to the mart doesn't that movement come up on the board as 1 movement even though they haven't being sold. I haven't seen cattle with 0 movements yet.

Yup that's what I'm saying. If I brought cattle to a mart 4 times and brought them home each time, it would show up as 4 movements or 5, I get confused at that bit.

Sharpshooter82

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Yup that's what I'm saying. If I brought cattle to a mart 4 times and brought them home each time, it would show up as 4 movements or 5, I get confused at that bit.

Stupid system

bbam

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Yup that's what I'm saying. If I brought cattle to a mart 4 times and brought them home each time, it would show up as 4 movements or 5, I get confused at that bit.

That's just madness.

Kovu

bbam wrote: »

That's just madness.

Unless the system has been changed anyway. Last time I used it was April and it was doing it then. Also showed days in that herd too. Best way is to look at the cards back for mart stamps.

Farmer Pudsey

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Some dealers are respectable enough but I know a few hoors that you wouldn't take cattle off! One thing that's annoying about that system is that it shows up as a movement if you bring cattle to a mart and then home again unsold :mad:

Yes it shows as a movement in the CMS however it is not used as a movement at present for QA and for AA/HE Bonus's. There was a move to maybe get marts Quality Assired By Bord Bia but do not know where it is now.

The criteria for bonus's is the number of herds/owners that cattle have. Looking at Mart stamps is an idea however most of the times I had an issue it is with cattle that are privately moved from one herd to another.

Maybe the agfopod/CMS online could put a option/filter on it data base wherby a seller could give a buyer a printout of cattle details including no of owners. It is not rocket science. Maybe it is somthing we should be lobbying to be done. It would sort the issue in a jiffy

Kovu

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Yes it shows as a movement in the CMS however it is not used as a movement at present for QA and for AA/HE Bonus's. There was a move to maybe get marts Quality Assired By Bord Bia but do not know where it is now.

The criteria for bonus's is the number of herds/owners that cattle have. Looking at Mart stamps is an idea however most of the times I had an issue it is with cattle that are privately moved from one herd to another.

Maybe the agfopod/CMS online could put a option/filter on it data base wherby a seller could give a buyer a printout of cattle details including no of owners. It is not rocket science. Maybe it is somthing we should be lobbying to be done. It would sort the issue in a jiffy

The QA in the factories has to be manually looked up for each animal, different markets have different wants/needs. Tesco for example, will only
take beef if it's 45 days in a herd and QA. Dunnes may take it if it's 90 days in herd and not QA. (Just drawing figures out of the air here)

I'm fairly sure that if you go into your herd profile online that you can click on one tag and see it's movements, both to herds and marts. Yup, just checked it there, you can. So if you really wanted to print them out, you could.

The QA Y/N comes up on our local mart, although this can be faulty, declaring an N instead of a Y due to aforementioned mart unsold movements:pac:

Farmer Pudsey

Kovu Murr wrote: »

The QA in the factories has to be manually looked up for each animal, different markets have different wants/needs. Tesco for example, will only
take beef if it's 45 days in a herd and QA. Dunnes may take it if it's 90 days in herd and not QA. (Just drawing figures out of the air here)

I'm fairly sure that if you go into your herd profile online that you can click on one tag and see it's movements, both to herds and marts. Yup, just checked it there, you can. So if you really wanted to print them out, you could.

The QA Y/N comes up on our local mart, although this can be faulty, declaring an N instead of a Y due to aforementioned mart unsold movements:pac:

You have to print out invidually if you are sellin or buying 20 cattle privately this is a pain in the you know where. A lot easier if you could filter by selecting these cattle and press one button.

Some marts show no of owners if 8 cattle in the bunch the default is the one with the most movements. So 7 could have 2-3 movements and one have 7 so this is what is shown. No mart should show other mart movements it is the number of owners that count.

This issue need to be resolved or signing back of cards enforced.

Kovu

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

You have to print out invidually if you are sellin or buying 20 cattle privately this is a pain in the you know where. A lot easier if you could filter by selecting these cattle and press one button.

Some marts show no of owners if 8 cattle in the bunch the default is the one with the most movements. So 7 could have 2-3 movements and one have 7 so this is what is shown. No mart should show other mart movements it is the number of owners that count.

This issue need to be resolved or signing back of cards enforced.

Oh I know that, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. It's just the problem of enforcing it that is a problem:pac:

Marts around here don't really sell group lots so thanks for that info! It really would be annoying to be selling and seeing movements up that don't exist per-say.

bob charles

pity marts can't go through the maiden heifers offered for sale and pick up the ones that have had calves registered to them that unscrupulous farmers sell as not having calves

131spanner

I put shorthorn heifers on DD for an uncle last year. After seven or eight callers from all over the country he sold them to a lad half an hour away who saw them on the website.

As the lads are saying he got a few calls at all hours with lads complaining about the price of cabbage etc, but they were sold for a finish which was the aim.

Kovu

bob charles wrote: »

pity marts can go through the maiden heifers offered for sale and pick up the ones that have had calves registered to them that unscrupulous farmers sell as not having calves

Pity marts can or can't?

Because they can. If the mart uses Infoscience computer system (90-95%) of them do, it's just a couple of clicks away.

bob charles

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Pity marts can or can't?

Because they can. If the mart uses Infoscience computer system (90-95%) of them do, it's just a couple of clicks away.

sorry Cant. not much good after me spending a couple of hundred quid fattening an animal to find out she is a cow and worth €300 quid less than anticipated. its a joke and constantly happening

Kovu

bob charles wrote: »

sorry Cant. not much good after me spending a couple of hundred quid fattening an animal to find out she is a cow and worth €300 quid less than anticipated. its a joke and constantly happening

Get on to your mart, there is one screen you can bring up that shows all animals between lot numbers x & y or in a certain 'ring'* on the computer that shows if a calf is registered.

*(By 'ring' it's basically for balancing totals on screen, diving cows, heifers, bullocks, weanlings etc) If I had a mart computer in front of me I could show you!

bob charles

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Get on to your mart, there is one screen you can bring up that shows all animals between lot numbers x & y or in a certain 'ring'* on the computer that shows if a calf is registered.

*(By 'ring' it's basically for balancing totals on screen, diving cows, heifers, bullocks, weanlings etc) If I had a mart computer in front of me I could show you!

so say I buy lot 403, lot 422, lot 450, lot 452 in maiden heifer ring

the mart personal can run a search between lot 400 and 500 and see what throws up that have had calves. Why cant they do this in the first place to make sure cows arent being sold in the guaranteed maiden heifer ring

Kovu

bob charles wrote: »

so say I buy lot 403, lot 422, lot 450, lot 452 in maiden heifer ring

the mart personal can run a search between lot 400 and 500 and see what throws up that have had calves. Why cant they do this in the first place to make sure cows arent being sold in the guaranteed maiden heifer ring

I used to do it before sales and get the owner in and sort it, either announcing it when selling or change to a runner cow.
Afraid I can't vouch for your marts.
Giz a job there bob will ya:D

bob charles

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Giz a job there bob will ya:D

I will be recruiting a new secretary any day soon, neat skimpy dress essential.

Kovu

bob charles wrote: »

I will be recruiting a new secretary any day soon, neat skimpy dress essential

Do I have to wear wellies?
Nothing else, just wellies:rolleyes:

Anyway, next time ask your mart to print you out a list of heifers with calves regd before the sale.
If they can't do that, recommend Kovu for a retraining job:D

bob charles

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Do I have to wear wellies?
Nothing else, just wellies:rolleyes:

Anyway, next time ask your mart to print you out a list of heifers with calves regd before the sale.
If they can't do that, recommend Kovu for a retraining job:D

No that would be sexist, wellies/boots and pants are mandatory. Tshirts/shirts/blouses etc are optional during hot weather

jersey101

bob charles wrote: »

No that would be sexist, wellies/boots and pants are mandatory. Tshirts/shirts/blouses etc are optional during hot weather

what would she wear during dosing

TUBBY

bob charles wrote: »

pity marts can't go through the maiden heifers offered for sale and pick up the ones that have had calves registered to them that unscrupulous farmers sell as not having calves

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Yes it shows as a movement in the CMS however it is not used as a movement at present for QA and for AA/HE Bonus's. There was a move to maybe get marts Quality Assired By Bord Bia but do not know where it is now.

The criteria for bonus's is the number of herds/owners that cattle have. Looking at Mart stamps is an idea however most of the times I had an issue it is with cattle that are privately moved from one herd to another.

Maybe the agfopod/CMS online could put a option/filter on it data base wherby a seller could give a buyer a printout of cattle details including no of owners. It is not rocket science. Maybe it is somthing we should be lobbying to be done. It would sort the issue in a jiffy

had a similar thing myself only last week. Bought based on cards but two movements extra not recorded and private so no mart stamp. Can not check animal movement in agfood until in your herd which is too late. I agree that we should lobby for ability to check any tag number in agfood for movements before buying. That would sort it.

Kovu

TUBBY wrote: »

had a similar thing myself only last week. Bought based on cards but two movements extra not recorded and private so no mart stamp. Can not check animal movement in agfood until in your herd which is too late. I agree that we should lobby for ability to check any tag number in agfood for movements before buying. That would sort it.

Does anyone here use kingswood software or any other farm based cattle recording system? That might show movements. Anyhow, I'm off for a few pints in the rain.

TUBBY

Well for some ��

bob charles

TUBBY wrote: »

had a similar thing myself only last week. Bought based on cards but two movements extra not recorded and private so no mart stamp. Can not check animal movement in agfood until in your herd which is too late. I agree that we should lobby for ability to check any tag number in agfood for movements before buying. That would sort it.

I agree, but I have issue that I cant see the past calving history of a cow or heifer I buy. Surly im entitled to the full service history. ICBF want to allow past owners see what future price the animals makes so a bit of balance wouldnt go astray