Speeding in NI

Mary Harney!

Sorry mods, I know this has been covered before but there might be some changes happened.

Does anyone know if the automatic speed cameras in Northern Ireland can pick up a Rep. Ireland registration plate?

I know the PSNI can physically escourt you to the ATM or get cash on the spot from you but has the cross-border initiative on Rep. Ireland cars getting points in NI if caught by the stationary cameras?

Thanks. I might have been moving a bit too fast in Newry :P

Atlantic Dawn

Yes can pick it up and can trace back to you but can't give you points.

Sobanek

They probably don't.

Went past a speed camera at a 120 the other day (60mph zone, not 70 as I thought)

No ticket after 6 months.



I just don't think they go after you (too much hassle perhaps?).

We'll see. I might've been going too fast past a speed camera on the A1. It was so late, I just wanted to get home asap. 130kph on the cruise control and off I was.

Fred Swanson

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_Kaiser_

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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In the spirit of the thread I FYP

Meep meep!

sebastianlieken

What about the other way around?!

I've a dirty nordy reg and am impartial to the auld roadrunner antics aswell from time to time. The difference is, I have a southern licence.

Can I quote MC Hammer when going past the cameras on the M50?

Fred Swanson

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Mycroft H

The only thing is that there is a lot more unmarked vehicles up there. Speed up there and expect to be pulled

I got pulled by an unmarked BMW just to check my paperwork on the A1 near Newry.

moxin

I've always wondered what is the speed limit on the A1 going past Newry? They have that useless white sign with the black stripe going across, it doesn't give you a figure. I think its 70mph but others have said 65mph and 60mph!

Contrast this to when you head south, its plainly written as 120kmh the limit.

Mycroft H

moxin wrote: »

I've always wondered what is the speed limit on the A1 going past Newry? They have that useless white sign with the black stripe going across, it doesn't give you a figure. I think its 70mph but others have said 65mph and 60mph!

Contrast this to when you head south, its plainly written as 120kmh the limit.

Anywhere you see that sign on a dual carriageway way, its 70mph (if driving a car. Vans and HGVs are different)

Paddy@CIRL

moxin wrote: »

I've always wondered what is the speed limit on the A1 going past Newry? They have that useless white sign with the black stripe going across, it doesn't give you a figure. I think its 70mph but others have said 65mph and 60mph!

Contrast this to when you head south, its plainly written as 120kmh the limit.

That's a national speed limit sign in the UK, in this case it means 70MPH. There is no 65MPH limit in the UK If you seen the same sign outside a small village on a national route, it would mean 60MPH.

moxin

Thanks lads, i know one should look it up beforehand but I kept forgetting before each journey , handy to know to just keep at more or less the same limit when crossing the border. Plenty of both yellow reg and southern reg cars do speed on that stretch, they must have a separate limit :P

flazio

Drive Safely

PeteK*

The dual carriageway for the A1 is definitely 60MPH.

Fred Swanson

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PeteK*

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Can't say I've noticed. I thought it would only be 70mph for motorways.
We're lucky here, cos some national roads have 120kpm limits!

Richard

PeteK* wrote: »

Can't say I've noticed. I thought it would only be 70mph for motorways.
We're lucky here, cos some national roads have 120kpm limits!

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

PeteK*

This is the road.. it would be 70MPH if there was a central reservation.

Mycroft H

PeteK* wrote: »

That's strange, I'm sure this road is 60MHP.

This is the road..

It drops from 70 to 60 in sections.

Anywhere you see this sign:



It's back to the National Speed limit, which is;

PeteK*

I've edited my post.
If it has a central barrier, then it would be 70mph.

GTE

PeteK* wrote: »

I've edited my post.
If it has a central barrier, then it would be 70mph.

I think that is too on the face of it for that particular road.

That stretch of road is 60 because it even the 70 stretches are far too quick for the bends. To confirm the error made earlier in the thread, the whole A1 from the Republic to the M1 is 70 unless otherwise stated.

In a bit of weather with 90 degree junctions, the 60 limit is well deserved and I think put in place due to a few fatal accidents? It would explain the billboards used as signage entering the stretch anyway.

I drove past an absolutely terrible accident with 206 and a truck joining on the old 60 stretch of the A1. The 206 was only distinguishable by the boot lid.

From what I hear locally, when the police do catch people speeding in those 60 zones it is the heaviest book throwable.

Mycroft H

PeteK* wrote: »

I've edited my post.
If it has a central barrier, then it would be 70mph.

Nope, it's still 70.

The UK defines a Dual carriageway as a road with two seperated lanes

Dual carriageways
A dual carriageway is a road which has a central reservation to separate the carriageways.

https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143

A central reservation can be a strip of grass, a few trees or a barrier.

Tell me if it was 60 the entire way, why do they have stretches that have 60 marked and then back to the national speed limit?

PeteK*

The national speed limit IS 60mph.
I don't know of any part on the A1 that is 70mph.

There are quite a number of these, too..

GTE

PeteK* wrote: »

The national speed limit IS 60mph.
I don't know of any part on the A1 that is 70mph.

There are quite a number of these, too..

There are two sets of those to denote the beginning of each of the the two bad sections of road I mentioned earlier.

That is two sets, going each way. After a short time you will see the white and black sign for 70. Those you pictured are the billboard style ones I mentioned as I think they want road users to take them rather seriously.

Hardly quite a few to be fair. I think you are determined to tell us all that it is 60 the whole way but it simply is not. It takes quite a trip on the A1 from the border to reach those 60 signs.

PeteK*

bbk wrote: »

There are two of those to denote the sections of "bad" road I mentioned earlier going each way. After a short time you will see the white and black sign for 70.

I thought there were more than two, my bad.

The black and white sign is 60mph, it's an A road.
Also, roads can have restrictions, all the way, like the 60mph you're referring to.

Mycroft H

PeteK* wrote: »

The national speed limit IS 60mph.
I don't know of any part on the A1 that is 70mph.

There are quite a number of these, too..

The national limit on a dual carriageway is 70mph. The A1/A101 does have separated lanes through it's entire length. If it wasn't seperated it wouldn't median in the middle.

Single carriageway with unseparated lanes is 60mph.

So again, tell me, why do they have a 60mph sign (The big yellow signs with the 60mph sign mounted on it) and then following, the end of the restrictions, the national speed limit sign (which is 70mph as seen here). There is even sometimes little text signs saying "end of speed restrictions" coming out of belfast.

Plus, any decent driver is going to drive to the conditions; if he sees a bad junction ahead, he/she aint going to plough on at 70mph...

GTE

BX 19 wrote: »

So again, tell me, why do they have a 60mph sign (The big yellow signs with the 60mph sign mounted on it) and then following, the end of the restrictions, the national speed limit sign (which is 70mph as seen here)

Indeed, the fact that there is a difference in signage indicates a change in speed limits though the way you phrase that seems like asking why the 60 limit is in place.

That said, my issue with the user is the insistence of mis-classing the road in question and using the dangerous sections, which are only a few miles in their combined entirety to class the speed limit of the entire A1.

In fact, I dunno why I am wording things the way I am.

The A1 is 70mph unless otherwise stated :pac:

Mycroft H

bbk wrote: »

The A1 is 70mph unless otherwise stated :pac:

Keep it simple stupid

PeteK*

BX 19 wrote: »

The national limit on a dual carriageway is 70mph. The A1/A101 does have separated lanes through it's entire length. If it wasn't seperated it wouldn't median in the middle.

Single carriageway with unseparated lanes is 60mph.

So again, tell me, why do they have a 60mph sign (The big yellow signs with the 60mph sign mounted on it) and then following, the end of the restrictions, the national speed limit sign (which is 70mph as seen here)

I agree with the first sentence.

It's likely those yellow ones are to get more attention for bad bends or whatever, but it does make sense to have the black and white to say it's the national speed limit, which is 70 on motorways and dual carriage ways, but I remember reading before about it having to have a barrier, not just a grass patch.

I guess I can't agree until I'm stopped at 70mph :pac:
There's someone I can ask, cos I'm very confused!

GTE

PeteK* wrote: »

I agree with the first sentence.

It's likely those yellow ones are to get more attention for bad bends or whatever, but it does make sense to have the black and white to say it's the national speed limit, which is 70 on motorways and dual carriage ways, but I remember reading before about it having to have a barrier, not just a grass patch.

I guess I can't agree until I'm stopped at 70mph :pac:
There's someone I can ask, cos I'm very confused!

There is no need to be confused. The road is mostly 70mph.

Anyway, the reason for this post is not to put more words to my simple closing statement earlier, but for the lolz I found the legislation which is the reason the short stretches of 60mph is there.

They mention 4 points which equates to two 60 limit start points and two 60 limit end points each way. These points are based around the Dromore and Banbridge "problem" points of that A1 road.

Even on a logical stand point, the piece would read "experimental signage" if they wanted the 60 limit to be taken seriously rather than "experiential limit" which is for a change of speed limit.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/1996/39/note/made

PeteK*

PSNI Traffic wrote:

PSNI Traffic Police
11/11/2013 21:03
PSNI Traffic Police

Peter, not knowing the A1 all that well personally since it was all upgraded years ago all I can say is that the national speed limit is 60 mph and as you say dual carriageways and Motorways are 70mph unless otherwise stated. If a road with a single carriageway in each direction then changes to dual and has a physical barrier between those lanes and oncoming traffic then the speed limit will rise to 70mph unless otherwise stated. Two plus one sections where 2 lanes travel one way with a single carriageway in the opposite direction with no physical barrier are governed by the national speed limit (60) unless otherwise stated. These sections are there to facilitate passing slower moving vehicles eg HGV's. Hope his helps. Come back us if not. Thanks.

I asked on their facebook.

Mycroft H

Grand, so it's still 70.

GTE

BX 19 wrote: »

Grand, so it's still 70.

Pretty much.

PeteK*

The A1 from Newry to Belfast has 2 speed restrictions for 60mph, the first in Banbridge and then a further restriction at Dromore. The remainder of the A1 is 70mph.

GTE

Aye, never understood why it was in dispute but regardless of that, the the 60 sections are quite dangerous and could do with upgrading.

In terms of dual carriage ways, the biggest problems spots I have seen have been in Northern Ireland, that A1 could do with renovation. Even the new section from the border onwards is done badly as they didn't add a wall or hedge to allow drivers use full beams at night.